[quote]JeffR wrote:
In summary, come to the sisters. They break off their private parts in their benevolence!!! They eventually were eaten FOR YOU!!!
JeffR
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Amen.
JeffR and Cream,
Good work showing yourselves as men of absolutely no class or understanding whatsoever. You apparently have such animus toward Christianity that its very mention warrants your gratuitous attacks.
Don’t you Christophobes have something better to do with your time, like slaking some transitory desire of some kind or another?
[quote]RankHypocrisy wrote:
JeffR and Cream,
Good work showing yourselves as men of absolutely no class or understanding whatsoever. You apparently have such animus toward Christianity that its very mention warrants your gratuitous attacks.
Don’t you Christophobes have something better to do with your time, like slaking some transitory desire of some kind or another?[/quote]
I second that, and add that they should stay in the newb threads where they belong because only newbs would act that way. laters pk
JeffR @ Cream
Find something better to do with your time. Why take the time to post something so nonsensical? Why take the time to agree with it? You show yourselves to be of little substance.
JeffR you took the time to post on Pope Benedict thread to “please end this thread” I have a better idea, how about you stop reading them. Especially if your input is going to be so derogatory and tasteless.
i don’t understand why this was allowed if we want to ‘upgrade’ (my words) the content on these posts why something as senseless as this is allowed. It’s purpose is inflammatory at best.
I have no problem with thoughtful opposition, but this is beneath anyone of content.
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
JeffR @ Cream
Why take the time to post something so nonsensical? [/quote]
Why are Australian Gods and Goddesses more nonsensical than Christian Saints? That is not a very tolerant attitude.
[quote]doogie wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
JeffR @ Cream
Why take the time to post something so nonsensical?
Why are Australian Gods and Goddesses more nonsensical than Christian Saints? That is not a very tolerant attitude. [/quote]
doogie
Are you serious? Tolerant is not the word needed here. Re-read the post and try to explain to me, in all seriousness what this was intended to be.
Maybe it was the exclamation points that makes it nonsensical!!! Or maybe it is the Michael Douglas-Zeta Jones reference that makes it ridiculous.
There are plenty of threads around here to be a jackass. This thread wasn’t even asking for opinions–it was simply meant to be informative re: the saints.
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
doogie wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
JeffR @ Cream
Why take the time to post something so nonsensical?
Why are Australian Gods and Goddesses more nonsensical than Christian Saints? That is not a very tolerant attitude.
doogie
Are you serious? Tolerant is not the word needed here. Re-read the post and try to explain to me, in all seriousness what this was intended to be.
Maybe it was the exclamation points that makes it nonsensical!!! Or maybe it is the Michael Douglas-Zeta Jones reference that makes it ridiculous.
There are plenty of threads around here to be a jackass. This thread wasn’t even asking for opinions–it was simply meant to be informative re: the saints.
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All I know is that this is the Politics Forum. It is not the “Fairy Tales I Choose to Believe In Forum.” You’ve even got a freakin’ reverend telling you it is not the appropriate place for this thread. Yet here it is.
If your fairy tales are worth posting, JeffR’s are worth posting.
doogie
I’m not Orthodox, but you’re a donkey.
I don’t know if this church is an evangelical one or not, but I don’t see the problem with bringing the message anywhere it isn’t already. T-Rev comes off a little ivory-tower-ish. But the part of his post you’re not reproducing indicts poseurs, provocateurs, and other assorted donkeys like yourself and your buddies–he wouldn’t start dialogue on his faith here because donkeys like you would show up. That you would take the time to debase a clearly labeled thread that holds no animus towards you makes you look like a massive donkey. This forum is “politics AND WORLD ISSUES”, and the Orthodox Church is in the world as of the time of this post. Try not to refer to people’s earnestly presented faith as ‘fairy tales’. It’s unbecoming. JeffR on the other hand, doesn’t know how to treat viewpoints opposed to his own with any inkling of respect. It holds true all through the forums here. It’s just a shame that this thread was sullied. Well, the three of you are making donkeys of yourselves. I’m out, because saying ‘donkey’ instead of the actual word (we’re on a religious thread here) is awkward. And I kind of rambled. I blame you donkeys.
St. Martin the Confessor the Pope of Rome
Saint Martin the Confessor, Pope of Rome, was a native of the Tuscany region of Italy. He received a fine education and entered into the clergy of the Roman Church. After the death of Pope Theodore I (642-649), Martin was chosen to succeed him.
At this time the peace of the Church was disturbed by the Monothelite heresy (the false doctrine that in Christ there is only one will. He has a divine, and a human will). The endless disputes of the Monothelites with the Orthodox took place in all levels of the population. Even the emperor Constans (641-668) and Patriarch Paul of Constantinople (641-654) were adherents of the Monothelite heresy. The emperor Constans II published the heretical “Pattern of Faith” (Typos), obligatory for all the population. In it all further disputes were forbidden.
The heretical “Pattern of Faith” was received at Rome in the year 649. St. Martin, a firm supporter of Orthodoxy, convened the Lateran Council at Rome to condemn the Monothelite heresy. At the same time St. Martin sent a letter to Patriarch Paul, persuading him to return to the Orthodox confession of faith. The enraged emperor ordered the military commander Olympius to bring St. Martin to trial. But Olympius feared the clergy and the people of Rome who had descended upon the Council, and he sent a soldier to murder the holy hierarch. When the assassin approached St. Martin, he was blinded. The terrified Olympius fled to Sicily and was soon killed in battle.
In 654 the emperor sent another military commander, Theodore, to Rome. He accused St. Martin of being in secret correspondence with the enemies of the Empire, the Saracens, and of blaspheming the Most Holy Theotokos, and of uncanonically assuming the papal throne.
Despite the proofs offered by the Roman clergy and laity of St. Martin’s innocence, the military commander Theodore with a detachment of soldiers seized St. Martin by night and took him to Naxos, one of the Cyclades islands in the Aegean Sea. St. Martin spent an entire year on this almost unpopulated island, suffering deprivation and abuse from the guards. Then they sent the exhausted confessor to Constantinople for trial.
They carried the sick man on a stretcher, but the judges callously ordered him to stand up and answer their questions. The soldiers propped up the saint, who was weakened by illness. False witnesses came forward slandering the saint and accusing him of treasonous relations with the Saracens. The biased judges did not even bother to hear the saint’s defense. In sorrow he said, “The Lord knows what a great kindness you would show me if you would deliver me quickly over to death.”
After such a trial they brought the saint out in tattered clothes to a jeering crowd. They shouted, “Anathema to Pope Martin!” But those who knew the holy Pope was suffering unjustly, withdrew in tears. Finally the sentence was announced: St. Martin was to be deposed from his rank and executed. They bound the half-naked saint with chains and dragged him to prison, where they locked him up with thieves. These were more merciful to the saint than the heretics.
In the midst of all this the emperor went to the dying Patriarch Paul and told him of the trial of St. Martin. He turned away from the emperor and said, “Woe is me! This is another reason for my judgement.” He asked that St. Martin’s torments be stopped. The emperor again sent a notary and other persons to the saint in prison to interrogate him. The saint answered, “Even if they cripple me, I will not have relations with the Church of Constantinople while it remains in its evil doctrines.” The torturers were astonished at the confessor’s boldness, and they commuted his death sentence to exile at Cherson in the Crimea.
There the saint died, exhausted by sickness, hunger and deprivations on September 16, 655. He was buried outside the city in the Blachernae church of the Most Holy Theotokos, and later the relics of the holy confessor Martin were transferred to Rome.
The Monothelite heresy was condemned at the Sixth Ecumenical Council in 680.
In the West, since the ninth century, St. Martin the Confessor has been commemorated on November 12. This has sometimes led to his being confused with St. Martin of Tours (November 11).
Holy Martyr Ardalion
The Holy Martyr Ardalion accepted death for Christ under the emperor Maximian Galerius (305-311). Saint Ardalion was a talented mimic actor.
One time at the circus he played the role of a Christian. The actor, on the intent of the play-author, was to at first refuse to offer sacrifice to idols, but later to consent to renounce Christ. Along the course of the action they suspended him upon a wooden torture device and tore at him with iron hooks. He so naturally depicted the suffering, that the spectators were delighted and loudly declared their praise of his artistry. Suddenly the saint ordered all to be quiet and declared, that he actually was a Christian and did not renounce the Lord. The governor of the city tried to explain the matter thus, that Saint Ardalion was continuing to play the role, and at the end of the show he would renounce Christ and offer sacrifice to the gods. But Saint Ardalion continued to confess his faith in Christ. Then the governor gave orders to throw the martyr onto a red-hot iron-pan. Thus did Saint Ardalion merit a martyr’s crown.
[quote]T-Rev wrote:
May Paradise consume us.
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Amen Father.
It was not my intent to excite or challenge anyone’s ego, and I apologize if I did so. I understand your reservations with preaching the Faith in a secular network, but my conscience believes (or perhaps wants to believe) that sincere folks, whether Christian or otherwise, will be inspired by these great Saints who lived righteous lives in the name of the Lord & Savior. In a world of obscurity, where Christianity is being falsely conveyed as a loveless, hypocritical faith, the Truth still needs to shine.
I have not yet discussed this thread with my spiritual father, but I consulted with a monk who cautioned me about the perils of hardening my heart in religious forums. I was basically encouraged to work out my own salvation with fear and trembling.
By the way, how are you faring with the strict Paschal fast and your fitness endeavors? Low-Carb Grow! comes in real handy with a few tablespoons of natural peanut butter. Very nutritious, delicious, and quite satiating. Have a happy celebration if you don’t have an opportunity to respond.
Thanks for your blessings and peace be with you!
[quote]dond1esel wrote:
doogie
I’m not Orthodox, but you’re a donkey.
I don’t know if this church is an evangelical one or not, but I don’t see the problem with bringing the message anywhere it isn’t already. T-Rev comes off a little ivory-tower-ish. But the part of his post you’re not reproducing indicts poseurs, provocateurs, and other assorted donkeys like yourself and your buddies–he wouldn’t start dialogue on his faith here because donkeys like you would show up. That you would take the time to debase a clearly labeled thread that holds no animus towards you makes you look like a massive donkey. This forum is “politics AND WORLD ISSUES”, and the Orthodox Church is in the world as of the time of this post. Try not to refer to people’s earnestly presented faith as ‘fairy tales’. It’s unbecoming.
JeffR on the other hand, doesn’t know how to treat viewpoints opposed to his own with any inkling of respect. It holds true all through the forums here. It’s just a shame that this thread was sullied. Well, the three of you are making donkeys of yourselves. I’m out, because saying ‘donkey’ instead of the actual word (we’re on a religious thread here) is awkward. And I kind of rambled. I blame you donkeys.[/quote]
I could not have said it better myself. Ya donkeys. it’s posts like this by dond1esel that make me have faith in people and not prejudge them before i read what they right. afterwards its all game. laters pk
[quote]dond1esel wrote:
T-Rev comes off a little ivory-tower-ish. But the part of his post you’re not reproducing indicts poseurs, provocateurs, and other assorted donkeys like yourself and your buddies–he wouldn’t start dialogue on his faith here because donkeys like you would show up. [/quote]
T-Rev knows that threads like these do more harm than good for his cause.
[quote]doogie wrote:
T-Rev knows that threads like these do more harm than good for his cause.
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That’s somewhat fair. But the blame is surely not on Stellar and his ilk. It’s on you and yours.
[quote]doogie wrote:
dond1esel wrote:
T-Rev comes off a little ivory-tower-ish. But the part of his post you’re not reproducing indicts poseurs, provocateurs, and other assorted donkeys like yourself and your buddies–he wouldn’t start dialogue on his faith here because donkeys like you would show up.
T-Rev knows that threads like these do more harm than good for his cause.
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That was NOT the intention or message of T-Rev’s post. His concern was the placement, not the content.
On the other hand, posts like yours show everyone your immaturity and ignorance towards others.
Apostle Aristarchus of the Seventy
Saint Aristarchus was one of the Seventy Apostles, whom the Lord Jesus Christ sent to proclaim the good news of the Gospel (Luke 10:1-24).
St. Aristarchus, a co-worker of the holy Apostle Paul, became bishop of the Syrian city of Apamea. His name is repeatedly mentioned in the Acts of the Apostles (Acts 19:29, 20:4, 27:2) and in the Epistles of St. Paul (Col. 4:10, Philemon 1:24).
Martyr Nerangios with Suchias in Georgia
The Holy Martyr Suchias and his 16 Georgian Companions were illustrious dignitaries who served at the court of the Albanian (Hagbanite) ruler (i.e. “Caucasian Albania” on the present day territory of Azerbaizhan).
Escorting the Albanian ruler’s daughter Satenika, wife of the Armenian emperor Artaxar (88-123), St. Suchias and his sixteen companions arrived in Artashat, the ancient capital of Armenia (the city was later destroyed by the Romans in the year 163).
Preaching there at the time was a Greek Christian named Chrysos, who had been enlightened and ordained by the holy Apostle Thaddeus. The Georgian dignitaries came to believe in Christ the Savior, and they resolved to devote their lives to the service of God. All seventeen of the newly-converted followed Chrysos into Mesopotamia. When Bishop Chrysos baptized them in the waters of the Euphrates, they were permitted to behold the Lord of Glory, Jesus Christ.
The holy martyrs erected a cross at the place of their Baptism and named it the “Cross of the Annunciation.” Bishop Chrysos gave all the saints new names: the eldest was called Suchias (replacing his old name Bagadras), and his companions were named Andrew, Anastasius, Talale, Theodoritus, Ivherion, Jordan, Kondrat, Lukian, Mimnenus, Nerangius, Polyeuctus, James, Phoka, Domentian, Victor and Zosimas.
After the martyric death of Bishop Chrysos, St. Suchias became the spiritual leader of the brethren. All soon resettled in a wild locality on Mount Sukaketi, not far from the mountain village of Bagrevandi. Here the former dignitaries led very strict ascetic lives. The scant mountain vegetation served as their food, and they drank from a cold spring of water.
The new ruler of pagan Albania, Datianos, learned that his former officials had accepted Christianity and had gone into solitude. He sent his associate Barnapas with a detachment of soldiers to persuade them to return to court and return also to their former faith. Barnapas searched for St. Suchias and his companions, but keeping their vow of service to God, they refused all entreaties.
Then by order of Barnapas, St. Suchias and his companions were stretched out and nailed to the ground, and then burned. After this, their bodies were dismembered and scattered all about Mount Sukaketi, from which the martyrs received also the title the “Mesukevians” (more correctly, “Sukaketians”). This occurred in the year 123 (by another account, in the year 130; although an Athos manuscript of the eleventh century from the Iveron monastery gives the year as 100).
The holy relics of the martyrs remained incorrupt and unburied until the fourth century, when they were placed in graves and consigned to the earth by local Christians (the names of the holy martyrs were found written on a cliff).
The holy hieromartyr Gregory, Enlightener of Armenia, built a church on this spot and established a monastery. And afterwards, a curative spring of water was discovered there.
Stellar,
keep up the good work. i know ther are those of us that truly appreciate your efforts. fight the good fight, run the good race.
always your (fallen) brother warrior of the Orthodox Christian Faith.
gtomko
There have been a multitude of threads on this very forum dealing with Atheism and other decidedly “non Christian” topics. I have rarely seen any complaints.
I suggest that those who wish to attack this thread practice some tolerance. While I am not of the same faith as Stellar I find this thread fascinating and enlightening!
Zeb, zedhead, dond1esel, stellarhorizon,
I actually have several Gods that I worship.
I think it is far more generous to accept multiple Gods. I think you monotheists are very boring.
ALL HAIL TANE!!!
A brief thumbnail sketch of your new Deity can be found on Godchecker.com.
“TANE: God of Light. He lets light into the world every day by lifting up a corner of the dark sky.”
Big Tane!!! Malla Malla!!! Take it all off!!!
“He’s also responsible for forests and trees, and invented the tasty Tui bird.”
Has anyone ever tasted TUI?!!? It’s right up there with colustrum as a mass builder.
TANE AND TUI, sitting in the tree…
“TANE is associated in some obscure way with the Hawaiian KANE,”
Hmmm. Kane slew Tane and Tane was angry.
“and son of Polynesian Creator God RANGI.”
RANGI could kick the hell out of your sandal wearing God!!!
Further reading into your new REALITY can be obtained at mythome.com.
“Kane was the leading god of the great gods named by the Hawaiians.”
I don’t worship any “turn the other cheek type God” I want the LEADER!!!
“He represented the god of procreation”
Penetration leads to salvation!!!
“and was worshipped as ancestor of chiefs and commoners.”
All hail the commoners!!! That’s for my socialist friend Dustin.
“Kane is the creator and gives life associated with dawn, sun and sky. According to the possible late edition of the Kumuhonua legend, he formed the three worlds: the upper heaven of the gods, the lower heaven above the earth, and the earth itself as a garden for mankind; the latter he furnished with sea creatures, plants, and animals, and fashioned man and woman to inhabit it. No human sacrifice or laborious ritual was needed in the worship of Kane.”
No sacrifice!!! That beats the hell out of “eating the body of Christ.” Disgusting!!!
JeffR