Original Problem

Nutrition
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[quote]Oleena wrote:
Oregand- I think your statement applies more to your mom than these guys, because many of them will bust their ass in the gym (looking for that burn, even getting upset if they don’t get it) and just wont listen to reason about the eating thing, or even than working out 7 days a week with less than a minute between lifts is stupid.

They also usually say “But I want to see my abs and put on muscle! I want to lose fat while gaining!” I’ve sat down and walked them through the “Well, which do you have more trouble with, the fat loss or the muscle”
“Well the muscle gaining is pretty slow. I can lose weight pretty quick.”
“If that’s true, how hard would it be to lose, say, 5-10lbs of fat?”
“Not hard.”
“How hard would it be for you to put on 10+lbs of muscle?”
“Extremely hard.”
“Okay, and you do realize, that’s undershooting it. Then doesn’t it make more sense to devote your efforts to gaining the muscle with the knowledge that 1. If you’re eating the right foods, you aren’t going to get fat. 2. It’s easy to take off the fat. ?”

“Yeah but I don’t want to get fat.”

At this point, I start considering how great a dumbbell would look through their face. [/quote]

Why do you let it bother you so much? This is the type of realization they have to come to on their own and you can’t force them. Only then will they take on the challenge whole-heartedly. You can help them put things in perspective. Show them quantitatively what they should be eating…give them that “oh shit!” moment, “I should be eating 4000 Cal???”

But at some deep level, I think you have to believe that people are what they want to be (or they are at least en route to becoming it). If they’re full of “yea buts,” they don’t want it. I’ve been taking on this philosophy lately, and the way people behave in regards to eatin’ and liftin’ just makes so much more sense.

P.S. You are just about the most beautiful gal I’ve seen on TNation.

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[quote]Oleena wrote:
Oregand- I think your statement applies more to your mom than these guys, because many of them will bust their ass in the gym (looking for that burn, even getting upset if they don’t get it) and just wont listen to reason about the eating thing, or even than working out 7 days a week with less than a minute between lifts is stupid.

They also usually say “But I want to see my abs and put on muscle! I want to lose fat while gaining!” I’ve sat down and walked them through the “Well, which do you have more trouble with, the fat loss or the muscle”
“Well the muscle gaining is pretty slow. I can lose weight pretty quick.”
“If that’s true, how hard would it be to lose, say, 5-10lbs of fat?”
“Not hard.”
“How hard would it be for you to put on 10+lbs of muscle?”
“Extremely hard.”
“Okay, and you do realize, that’s undershooting it. Then doesn’t it make more sense to devote your efforts to gaining the muscle with the knowledge that 1. If you’re eating the right foods, you aren’t going to get fat. 2. It’s easy to take off the fat. ?”

“Yeah but I don’t want to get fat.”

At this point, I start considering how great a dumbbell would look through their face. [/quote]

I dont see how its any different really.

Fine, they bust there ass in the gym with real effort and simply lack the knowlage about proper diet and recovery. Then they will come onto T-Nation or BBing.com and ask what they are doing wrong. Some big guy/guy’s will take pitty and give them real advice but very few will acctually take it.

Why? Because they are lazy.

Lets be honest, its not hard to buts your ass in the gym “trying to feel the burn”. It really isnt alll that hard because its a form of instant gratification, you curl you A)look like a stud and B) feel like a man.

Now lets take nutrtion and rest, now these two things these ARE HARD too do. Why? Because there is no instant gratification, no one pats you on the back for eating right day in day out or getting 8 hours a night. So for most of these guys since there is no instant reward whats the point? Laziness, plain and simple.

If these guys where serious about building a big, strong body they would(after being given the advice to eat more and rest) acctually do what there told. I mean really, how many threads have the reply “Eat more” written at least 20 times?

Ignorance is fine up too a point but then it just becomes laziness, its easy to hit the gym and flex the guns but its not fucking easy too wake up and eat a 6 egg omlete with cup of bell peppers, some cottage cheese and a couple of peices of fruit. That shit right there, well that shit is hard and thats why so many guys have and will fail at this.

As for the guys who want both ABZ and too get big, well that I can understand since I was one of em before jskrabac set my ass right.

Anyway thats what I believe it boils down too, A) Lack of instant rewards, B)laziness.