The major carcinogen in our environment is O2 and without that we’d be fucked!Shitty food and the additives that are in it will contribute to overall cancer load,but who knows how much?
If you feel better and have the cash to eat all organic then eat it(the placebo effect alone is worth an amazing amount,shocking actually),I would.
[quote]Harry Flashman wrote:
Shitty food and the additives that are in it will contribute to overall cancer load,but who knows how much?
If you feel better and have the cash to eat all organic then eat it(the placebo effect alone is worth an amazing amount,shocking actually),I would.[/quote]
That pretty much sums it all up 
[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
belligerent wrote:
His Coral Calcium supplement, which he marketed illegally by making dozens of blatantly false and misleading claims, was shown to contain mostly ordinary calcium carbonate AND was contaminated with LEAD!
Proof???
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From quackwatch.org:
“In June 2003, ConsumerLab reported that Bob Barefoot’s Coral Calcium Supreme contains 2.5 micrograms of lead per gram of calcium.”
I don’t think you necessarily have to have a scientific study to prove your claim- that would be an unrealistic expectation- as long as you at least have a good scientific “rationale” and don’t simply make shit up. If a company just arbitrarily declares that their product is superior to another for no good reason, then, yeah, they’re supplement peddlers.
First of all, realize that Trudeau engineered the infomercial and was the one selling the supplement, so he is responsible for and adopts everything that came out of Bob Barefoot’s mouth. If you watched the infomercial and know anything about basic chemistry, it should be intuitive that it was bullshit from start to finish. Just off the top of my head, they said that the Okanagans consume 100,000mg of calcium per day, that cancer is caused by an acidic “body pH”, and that you can’t get cancer if you take coral calcium. All obviously false.
[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
brainfreez wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Years of research? LOL, I guess the current rise in cancer rates is just coincidental? Granted, there are other pollutants for cause, but one can’t deny that more people die from cancer now than they did in 1900 when farming was much different.
Buddy, cancer rates are higher now because people are living long enough to get cancer. Life expectancy in 1900 was 48 [ Life Expectancy by Age, 1850–2011 ], not a heck of a lot of time to develop breast cancer which peaks in 55 year olds, or prostate cancer which peaks in 65 year olds.
If farming were so damn healthy in 1900 you wouldn’t expect us to be living on average 17 years longer in 2006, would you?
People are living long enough to get cancer?What on earth are you talking about?More people are dying in their 30’s today than ever before.I posted a study showing organic produce was higher in nurtitional value a few weeks back,you guys should look it up.People are getting cancer and diseases because drugs like vioxx weaken our immune system,hurt our liver,kill us,and the high toxicity levels in our processed foods today (along with the air we breathe) is full of chemicals.By the way,the life expectancy in the 1900’s was not 48.
With WW1,WW2,the great depression,and the influenza it would be normal for Life expectancy to be 48 yrs old-that was a time of great depression and poverty,not to mention two world wars.People died at an early age because they lived in poverty,not naturally.If WW3 hit us tomorrow and people where dying at the age of 30,doesn’t mean the life expectancy was 30 because of natural disasters,but because of war.[/quote]
Uh, care to substantiate any of your claims, like the life expectancy one, or Vioxx weakening your immune system?
[quote]belligerent wrote:
HouseOfAtlas wrote:
belligerent wrote:
His Coral Calcium supplement, which he marketed illegally by making dozens of blatantly false and misleading claims, was shown to contain mostly ordinary calcium carbonate AND was contaminated with LEAD!
Proof???
From quackwatch.org:
“In June 2003, ConsumerLab reported that Bob Barefoot’s Coral Calcium Supreme contains 2.5 micrograms of lead per gram of calcium.”
Right. I’ve seen LOTS of supplement companies say “This protein helps build 200% more muscle mass than this product” or “This product will burn more fat than others.” Yet, no scientic proof to show whether one fat burner is better than another. So, A LOT of supplement companies are supplement peddlers.
I don’t think you necessarily have to have a scientific study to prove your claim- that would be an unrealistic expectation- as long as you at least have a good scientific “rationale” and don’t simply make shit up. If a company just arbitrarily declares that their product is superior to another for no good reason, then, yeah, they’re supplement peddlers.
What exactly did he say that he lied about? Just because the FDA banned him from stating claims doesn’t mean they aren’t true. Like people have pointed out over and over, the FDA puts stuff out that kills people.
First of all, realize that Trudeau engineered the infomercial and was the one selling the supplement, so he is responsible for and adopts everything that came out of Bob Barefoot’s mouth. If you watched the infomercial and know anything about basic chemistry, it should be intuitive that it was bullshit from start to finish. Just off the top of my head, they said that the Okanagans consume 100,000mg of calcium per day, that cancer is caused by an acidic “body pH”, and that you can’t get cancer if you take coral calcium. All obviously false.
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Hmmm… very interesting. Thanks for pointing it all out. Don’t get me wrong, I think some of Kevin’s stuff is a bit “extreme”. I mean, when I read his book, it seemed like some things were questionable, BUT ever since reading his book, that is when I switched over to eating organic foods and put a shower filter on my shower. A chlorine-free shower feels so good
I guess it took a “crook” (Or whatever you want to call him) to realize what is in our food. In his book, he explains that he went to jail for this and that and that he is changed, etc. I don’t know if he has completely changed, but some points in his book are good (the organic thing, filters, etc.)
I never read much into the Calcium supplement before to know what it was all about or ever saw his ads (or the Barefoot guy’s ads)
Maybe it was one of those things like NO2. It sounds good on paper, but human chemisty doesn’t work with it.
Trudeau went to jail for posing as a doctor to deposit fake checks, mail fraud, and credit card fraud- using the credit cards of his own customers. He also got busted for operated an illegal pyramid scheme, though I don’t know whether he served time for it.
Someone with this kind of history can never be a consumer advocate. When he talks about having “changed”, which I don’t believe for two-thirds of a second, he’s just trying to make his criminal history work in his favor. He’s trying to buy credibility with the idea that he’s a convert from the “dark side” that he now claims to be combatting. It doesn’t work like that. A lifelong record of defrauding people never gives a person credibility.
[quote]zarathus wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
brainfreez wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Years of research? LOL, I guess the current rise in cancer rates is just coincidental? Granted, there are other pollutants for cause, but one can’t deny that more people die from cancer now than they did in 1900 when farming was much different.
Buddy, cancer rates are higher now because people are living long enough to get cancer. Life expectancy in 1900 was 48 [ Life Expectancy by Age, 1850–2011 ], not a heck of a lot of time to develop breast cancer which peaks in 55 year olds, or prostate cancer which peaks in 65 year olds.
If farming were so damn healthy in 1900 you wouldn’t expect us to be living on average 17 years longer in 2006, would you?
People are living long enough to get cancer?What on earth are you talking about?More people are dying in their 30’s today than ever before.I posted a study showing organic produce was higher in nurtitional value a few weeks back,you guys should look it up.People are getting cancer and diseases because drugs like vioxx weaken our immune system,hurt our liver,kill us,and the high toxicity levels in our processed foods today (along with the air we breathe) is full of chemicals.By the way,the life expectancy in the 1900’s was not 48.
With WW1,WW2,the great depression,and the influenza it would be normal for Life expectancy to be 48 yrs old-that was a time of great depression and poverty,not to mention two world wars.People died at an early age because they lived in poverty,not naturally.If WW3 hit us tomorrow and people where dying at the age of 30,doesn’t mean the life expectancy was 30 because of natural disasters,but because of war.
Uh, care to substantiate any of your claims, like the life expectancy one, or Vioxx weakening your immune system?
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My cousin was on vioxx and my brother was on seraqul.Both their doctors told them that these drugs can weaken your liver.New york times reported ,I believe it was,900,000 people die each year because of drugs. 30,000 thousand died using the drug vioxx.
In 1998 an extensive study published in the reputable Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) showed that 106,000 people die each year in American hospitals from medication side effects.Let’s look at this statistic a different way: 106,000 deaths a year averages out to nearly 300 deaths per day, every day.Take chemotherapy drugs for an example.
Chemotherapy drugs have been shown to weaken your immune system.Flue shots can actually weaken your immune system.Do you want any of the following vaccine constituents in YOUR bloodstream?
Ethylene glycol (antifreeze)
Phenol, also known as carbolic acid (this is used as a disinfectant, dye)
Formaldehyde, a known cancer-causing agent
Aluminum, which is associated with Alzheimer’s disease and seizures and also cancer producing in laboratory mice (it is used as an additive to promote antibody response)
Thimerosal (a mercury disinfectant/preservative) can result in brain injury and autoimmune disease
Neomycin and Streptomycin (used as antibiotics) have caused allergic reaction in some people.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
Trudeau went to jail for posing as a doctor to deposit fake checks, mail fraud, and credit card fraud- using the credit cards of his own customers. He also got busted for operated an illegal pyramid scheme, though I don’t know whether he served time for it.
Someone with this kind of history can never be a consumer advocate. When he talks about having “changed”, which I don’t believe for two-thirds of a second, he’s just trying to make his criminal history work in his favor. He’s trying to buy credibility with the idea that he’s a convert from the “dark side” that he now claims to be combatting. It doesn’t work like that. A lifelong record of defrauding people never gives a person credibility.
First of all,Trudeau didn’t pose as a docotor.Second of all,why does it matter what Trudeau did? He doesn’t kill thousands of people every single year like the FDA does.In my personal opinion,I think every single person who works for the FDA should be taken out and hung.
The FDA were the ones who broke into his office and took his coral calcium supplement because he was telling the truth about what coral calcium does and that it is a needed nutrient for your body when you have cancer.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
Someone with this kind of history can never be a consumer advocate. [/quote]
I do agree his past has hurt him.
But, after looking at the big picture, are people against HIM (his record)or what he preaches? If people are against the idea that synthetic drugs are safe, they have another thing coming…
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/prescription/
I guess it comes down to people’s preference. People will have different opinions/views about things and it will be hard to change that (or it may be easy)
[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
I do agree his past has hurt him.
But, after looking at the big picture, are people against HIM (his record)or what he preaches? If people are against the idea that synthetic drugs are safe, they have another thing coming…
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They’re against him and what he preaches. Most people see his “Natual Cures” campaign as having evolved from the coral calcium scam. And, if you pay attention to his argument, you should be able to tell that it’s intended to be deceptive. His platform, if you can even call it that, relies primarily on ad hock: he justifies his “natural cures” by attacking the government and medical establishment. His logic goes like this: “the government is evil, therefore my natural cures are legitimate.” Unfortunately, a lot of people become too captivated to realize this.
I’ll be the first to admit that people have good reason to be cynical of the medical establishment and prescription drugs. However, that doesn’t make anything in the realm of alternative or natural medicine any more valid, and it doesn’t mean that anything Kevin Trudeau says is true. He’s simply taking advantage of the public’s confusion to inspire health paranoia and make money. And he’s not just misinforming people, but deliberately decieving them.
Of course, the only way he can make it work is by manufacturing idiotic conspiracy theories about how the government and the drug companies want to make money by making the public sick. And the only way he can defend his own integrity is by saying that the government is trying to censor him because he is a threat to their profits.
Let’s think about this now. There are thousands of scientists from all corners of the globe- many of them not affiliated with the United States, much less the FDA- from a large variety of disciplines such as medicine, biochemistry, genetics, molecular biology, biophysics, etc. who often spend their whole careers studying just a single facet of a disease like cancer, altzheimer’s, etc. All this effort put forth over many decades by thousands of scientists from all over the world, and yet the only guy who knows the cures- not just for one disease, but for all of them- is a convicted fraud who sells penis enlargement pills and lead contaminated calcium supplements on late night TV.
And I won’t even go into all the other illicit tactics like referring readers to his website for $500, hiring people to write fake reviews on amazon.com, and habitually making vague references to research that can’t be cross-checked.
If you can’t smell a scam at this point, then I’d advise you to get 15 colonics every 30 days.
[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
First of all,Trudeau didn’t pose as a docotor.Second of all,why does it matter what Trudeau did? He doesn’t kill thousands of people every single year like the FDA does.In my personal opinion,I think every single person who works for the FDA should be taken out and hung.
The FDA were the ones who broke into his office and took his coral calcium supplement because he was telling the truth about what coral calcium does and that it is a needed nutrient for your body when you have cancer.
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You have been taken for a ride.
belligerent - I don’t think Trudeau is against the medical field. You know, there are MANY doctors that are health practition that use natural rememedies instead of synthetic drugs (with a huge mark-up I should add). Trudeau is against the ones that say “Oh, you need this synthetic drug for your earache or you need surgery to cure this disease.”
I remember when I went to the doctor for an ear ache (I’ve had them since I was little). They gave me Amoxicillian one year. It didn’t do anything, so they gave me something else. Exactly one year later, I had another ear ache. They gave me the SAME THING (amoxicillian). It showed on their computer that I already had it, yet they gave it to me knowing that it didn’t work (I didn’t know this until a follow up doctor’s visit) My ear ache actually got worse, to be honest. So, finally they gave me this very tiny bottle that cost $80 (I believe it was less than an ounce worth of drug).
Another point to make about “natural rememdies” is that I use to take this cleansing formula after I had a bad cheat meal (pizza, ice cream) on Friday nights. If I don’t take the formula, I’d get sick the next morning (upset stomach and feel like crap). It tastes REALLY bad (hard to swallow actually), yet it does the job (in my opinion).
About what you said about all the scientists and everything doing a search on how to cure cancer and why Trudeau would have the answer:
Let’s say some scientist does find the cure for cancer, but what if it isn’t a synthetic drug. What if it is, say, acorns. What would the drug companies do if they found out acorns are the cure for all cancer? They would be PO’ed, right? I mean, they can’t patent a drug that is natural, right? They can patent their own “formula”, but they wouldn’t make nearly as much money if they found out it was some synthetic drug.
I take everything with a grain of salt. You’re beliefs are different than mine. I’m no MD, but I do know that over the years, experts “facts” change. One day, butter is better. The next, margarine is better. One day eggs are bad, the next they aren’t. First, carbs were bad, then fat was bad. Which is it?!?!
I think lots of things are based on “theory”. If everything the medical field said was fact, then they wouldn’t be changing their “facts” all the time.
Grain of salt 
[quote]belligerent wrote:
And I won’t even go into all the other illicit tactics like referring readers to his website for $500.
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Actually, that is $500 for a lifetime membership, or $9.99/month. Just to get all the facts clear.
Trudeau is a piece of shit.
He would try to sell a drowning man a glass of water.
Sounds like some of you guys may have been taken in by this con artist.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
First of all,Trudeau didn’t pose as a docotor.Second of all,why does it matter what Trudeau did? He doesn’t kill thousands of people every single year like the FDA does.In my personal opinion,I think every single person who works for the FDA should be taken out and hung.
The FDA were the ones who broke into his office and took his coral calcium supplement because he was telling the truth about what coral calcium does and that it is a needed nutrient for your body when you have cancer.
You have been taken for a ride.[/quote]
At least The drug companies don’t run my health.I do.
I read Trudeau’s book and I think it is great.So what.Some of us have different oppinons.No need for scathing remarks.I’ve used some of the methods in his book and they do work.I don’t get sick.I don’t have to be popping a bunch of pills.I wake up in the morning feeling energetic.We’ve been brainwashed into believing that it’s normal to be sick all the time.Or it’s normal to get cancer.Or maybe it’s normal to get a disease ,since it happenes to everyone else.
Some may not like Trudeau,but,like I said,he doesn’t kill almost 300 people a day with drugs.The FDA does(that is a fact,not my opinion).Look at the most recent shootings this kid did while on the drug zoloft.
I don’t care if people agree with me or not.The bottom line is it’s unnatural to be popping pills the rest of your life.If I get into a accident and I’m dying,rush me off to the E.R…
We have great doctors in that field that save lives every single day and I’m thankful for that.Drugs and surgery,however,will not prevent disease.People can say,“thats because they do this or that.”
The bottom line is medical science has failed.When more people are getting cancer more then ever,medical science has failed.
Funny how more people are on more drugs more than ever while America is sicker…more than ever.Kinda like the laws of the universe:for every action there is a reaction.
His membership is 10 bucks a month.Web MD’s membership is much more.How is that any different?Oh,I see the difference.By paying for Trudeau’s membership you won’t be popping a bunch of pills and dying at the age of 45.
I rarely get sick.
I take an Advil once every few weeks if I have a headache.
The FDA doesn’t kill anyone or produce a single drug. They try to regulate the drug industry to reduce the number of quacks and bad drugs out there. They don’t always get it right but they do not intentionally poison people.
I believe there are a significant amount of worthless drugs out there just like there are a significant amount of worthless supplements.
[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
The bottom line is medical science has failed.When more people are getting cancer more then ever,medical science has failed.
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I think you are misinformed. When you remove the smokers and correct for aging cance rates have been dropping for 50 years.
Actual cancer rates (including smokers) have just started dropping.
Medical science works incredibly well.
And when you blame zoloft for a shooting you are terribly mistaken.
The shooting is a result of mental illness. Just because the drug didn’t cure the illness doesn’t mean it was responsible for the illness in the first place.
I think I am going to stop posting in this thread because your claims are getting silly.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I rarely get sick.
I take an Advil once every few weeks if I have a headache.
The FDA doesn’t kill anyone or produce a single drug. They try to regulate the drug industry to reduce the number of quacks and bad drugs out there. They don’t always get it right but they do not intentionally poison people.
I believe there are a significant amount of worthless drugs out there just like there are a significant amount of worthless supplements.
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But, and I advocate that the truth probably lies somewhere in between and that even placebo effects can be effective, here is some food for thought.
Companies like Harris Labs tests drugs that the drug companies manufacture. Guess who pays for this. The companies manufacturing the drugs! You do the math and follow the dollar. The FDA is the same way, more or less. To think that they are not influenced by the dollar and lobbying over our health concerns is silly IMO. We’re talking about the government here.