Organic Produce Nutritionally Better?

Nutrition
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[quote]milhouse472 wrote:
WTF? Didn’t I just get through explaining that. How about a quote and a comment, not a repost.
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The post is different from yours. Did you wanted a pat in the back or something? Its not like I learned/copied something from your post. Quoted you now, better?

[quote]Cthulhu wrote:

Check out the skin cancer rate in Africa,they spend all day out in the sun
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The main problem in Africa is AIDS. The country is dying because of it.
Caucasians have a higher incidence of skin cancers.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I agree. McDonalds makes me queasy. McDonalds is pseudofood.

Bacon is no problem for me.

I don’t have either one more than a few times a year.

Are you talking about having nasty shits or are you talking about getting sick (upset stomach, vomiting, etc.)?[/quote]

I don’t know. I guess getting a bit of an upset stomach. Nothing where I’m throwing up or anything. To be honest, I can eat McDonalds and have bacon. I just get queasy after having either one.

Sorry if I “exaggerated” my words. When I said sick, I meant not feel as good as I would of if I decided to have a bunch of fruit or a burger made on the grill. Not where I’m in bed for a certain amount of time.

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[quote]christine wrote:

I used to be a smoker and I used to be a vegitarian (10 years).

I hate being around smoke/smokers. I am the worst kind of ex-smoker.

I love meat. Can’t get enough. I eat mostly organic chicken and beef from our local butcher. I got a craving for bacon on Saturday and had four heavenly slices. (I eat beacon maybe twice a year).

I didn’t get sick.

You really can’t compare bacon to smoke. Maybe I would have gotten sick if I had eaten the whole pig?
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Yeah. I guess I worded my words wrong. If I sit in a car with a bunch of people that are smoking, I’ll get a headache and will feel like crap (I’ll get sick). If I have bacon, I will get a bad “feeling”, but I won’t be sick like the cigarette situation.

Sorry about the miscommunication. On the other hand, if I eat organic chicken, I feel fine. If I eat a few slices of bacon, I’ll be worse off. I won’t get sick, but I’ll feel a bit weasy for a few hours.

Hmmm… I wonder if they have organic bacon. I highly doubt it, but I could be wrong.

(But, there’s a first for everything).

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[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
Age is not the number one cause of cancer.However,I do agree with you that it can play an important role when it comes to cancer prevention.As people get older,most of them are exposed to toxins and become somewhat weak.A lot of old people have a high chance of getting cancer because their immune systems aren’t strong enough.A lot of the drugs we use today does weaken our immune system.50 years ago America spent more time in the sun then they did today.Skin cancer rates where lower too. I don’t believe the sun is causing all the skin cancer in America today.Maybe it’s all these cheap lotions on the market that have ingredients like “yellow 6,red 2;blue 5.”
Check out the skin cancer rate in Africa,they spend all day out in the sun.

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They are a bit darker shaded than I am.

We diagnose cancer faster now and yet our cancer rates (corrected for smoking and age) have been dropping for 50 years.

Our uncorrected cancer rates have turned the corner and started to drop also.

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[quote]belligerent wrote:
First of all: does Trudeau really believe it, or is he just saying it inspire paranoia and make money?

Alex Duarte is not a doctor. He is a quack and a supplement peddler.
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First, Trudeau could recommend a whole bunch of supplements, but he doesn’t. He mentions one or two, but that is it. Have you even read his book, or just got info from the grapevine?

Second, what do you consider a supplement peddler? Is it someone that says something is good and they say, “Oh, by the way, I sell that.”

If that is the case, look at the forum you are posting on. All supplements are being sold by someone that thinks their product is good.

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[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I agree. McDonalds makes me queasy. McDonalds is pseudofood.

Bacon is no problem for me.

I don’t have either one more than a few times a year.

Are you talking about having nasty shits or are you talking about getting sick (upset stomach, vomiting, etc.)?

I don’t know. I guess getting a bit of an upset stomach. Nothing where I’m throwing up or anything. To be honest, I can eat McDonalds and have bacon. I just get queasy after having either one.

Sorry if I “exaggerated” my words. When I said sick, I meant not feel as good as I would of if I decided to have a bunch of fruit or a burger made on the grill. Not where I’m in bed for a certain amount of time.
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Thanks for clarifying. I feel a bit off too when I eat McD’s and the like.

I have been trying to cut through the hyperbole on this thread. I understand the importance of eating fruits and vegetables.

I would like to minimize the pesticides I consume but some of the claims made by the organic “groupies” just don’t ring true to me.

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Reply to Atlas about bacon:

Well a prof. of mine used to say that when people go on organic/lean diets and later on have a high saturated fat meal (McDonald’s,fatty bacon)they usually feel sick/upset stomach. But it was because due to some intestinal enzymes, related to fat processing, that where low because of previous diet. The body later on will start producing the enzymes in adequate amounts if you continued eating fatty stuff.
Anyways, you are obviously eating really healthy now. Screw bacon.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Thanks for clarifying. I feel a bit off too when I eat McD’s and the like.

I have been trying to cut through the hyperbole on this thread. I understand the importance of eating fruits and vegetables.

I would like to minimize the pesticides I consume but some of the claims made by the organic “groupies” just don’t ring true to me.
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No problem. I did post something in another thread that does show a huge study on some fruits/veggies and they do have more Vitmains (like Vitamin C) and less nitrates than conventional products. Nothing like 5 times as much, but maybe 20%-30% (some more, some less).

I guess the whole organic/conventional thing will always be “in theory”. I mean, I could eat organic foods my whole life, but work in an environment where there are toxic chemicals all around me and some would wonder, “Is eating organic going to really help?” Maybe eating the organic gets “cancelled” out by working in a bad environment. Who knows. All I know is that I’ll do what I can to control the bad stuff in my life.

After thinking about it, people say steroids are bad. But, maybe eating conventional foods are just as bad as steroids.

A cycle of steroids or eating fruit sprayed with Raid (or food that is physically addicting). Hmmmmm (LOL)

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[quote]marcusxavier wrote:
Reply to Atlas about bacon:

Well a prof. of mine used to say that when people go on organic/lean diets and later on have a high saturated fat meal (McDonald’s,fatty bacon)they usually feel sick/upset stomach. But it was because due to some intestinal enzymes, related to fat processing, that where low because of previous diet. The body later on will start producing the enzymes in adequate amounts if you continued eating fatty stuff.
Anyways, you are obviously eating really healthy now. Screw bacon. [/quote]

Thanks for pointing that out. It is really interesting, to be honest.

So, is it a bad thing or a good thing to have those enzymes? I mean, I do eat fatty foods now (organic cheese, organic peanut butter, organic almonds) and don’t get sick. I’m still trying to follow the Anabolic Diet rules (high fat, high protein, low carbs), yet when I have bacon or McDonalds (when I did), I just felt queazy.

Isn’t the saturated fat in cheese different than in bacon? I’m not sure.

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[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
Thanks for pointing that out. It is really interesting, to be honest.

So, is it a bad thing or a good thing to have those enzymes? I mean, I do eat fatty foods now (organic cheese, organic peanut butter, organic almonds) and don’t get sick. I’m still trying to follow the Anabolic Diet rules (high fat, high protein, low carbs), yet when I have bacon or McDonalds (when I did), I just felt queazy.

Isn’t the saturated fat in cheese different than in bacon? I’m not sure.

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The enzymes you will always have them, the amount you produce is what changes. It will go back to higher levels when the diet changes back. So this won’t affect your health.
No all fats are created equal. I believe nuts and milk fats are different from the ones in burgers. Also a McD burger is mostly fat compared to a burger you make in your house with 96% lean beef. So ratios of fats to other nutrients in the meal may play role.
Keep eating what makes you feel healthy.

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[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
marcusxavier wrote:
Reply to Atlas about bacon:

Well a prof. of mine used to say that when people go on organic/lean diets and later on have a high saturated fat meal (McDonald’s,fatty bacon)they usually feel sick/upset stomach. But it was because due to some intestinal enzymes, related to fat processing, that where low because of previous diet. The body later on will start producing the enzymes in adequate amounts if you continued eating fatty stuff.
Anyways, you are obviously eating really healthy now. Screw bacon.

Thanks for pointing that out. It is really interesting, to be honest.

So, is it a bad thing or a good thing to have those enzymes? I mean, I do eat fatty foods now (organic cheese, organic peanut butter, organic almonds) and don’t get sick. I’m still trying to follow the Anabolic Diet rules (high fat, high protein, low carbs), yet when I have bacon or McDonalds (when I did), I just felt queazy.

Isn’t the saturated fat in cheese different than in bacon? I’m not sure.

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A bodybuilder in my old gym ate nothing but lettuce leaves and protein shakes as he was dieting for competition.

After competition he went on a fast food binge. He got super constipated and felt so sick he went into the hospital.

The doctor told him he didn’t have enough enzymes to digest the fast food he had been chowing and he was basically plugged up.

They put him on a crackers and juice only diet with a boatload of laxitives and told him he had to shit in a pan so they could weigh it before they would let himout of the hospital.

If he didn’t shit they were going to go in and roto-root him.

Of course eating crackers and juice he didn’t think he was taking in enough food to push it out the other end so he had his girl friend sneak some fast food to him in the hospital.

He was lucky enough to shit something out before the doctor had to do a little turd prospecting.

I don’t know how much he was pulling my leg but I laughed so hard I thought I was going to wet myself when he told me the story.

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[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
marcusxavier wrote:
Reply to Atlas about bacon:

Well a prof. of mine used to say that when people go on organic/lean diets and later on have a high saturated fat meal (McDonald’s,fatty bacon)they usually feel sick/upset stomach. But it was because due to some intestinal enzymes, related to fat processing, that where low because of previous diet. The body later on will start producing the enzymes in adequate amounts if you continued eating fatty stuff.
Anyways, you are obviously eating really healthy now. Screw bacon.

Thanks for pointing that out. It is really interesting, to be honest.

So, is it a bad thing or a good thing to have those enzymes? I mean, I do eat fatty foods now (organic cheese, organic peanut butter, organic almonds) and don’t get sick. I’m still trying to follow the Anabolic Diet rules (high fat, high protein, low carbs), yet when I have bacon or McDonalds (when I did), I just felt queazy.

Isn’t the saturated fat in cheese different than in bacon? I’m not sure.

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I eat organic meat that isn’t lean and I still feel like crap when I eat fast food.

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MCdonalds food is moslty trans fat. They have a higher amount of trans fat in their french fries now than ever before.Their food is so cheap that if I went from eating organic foods to Mcdonalds 25% meat burgers and trans fat filled chemical toxic fries I’d probably get sick again(and have). I eat plenty of fat in my diet,so fat enzymes have nothing to do with it.When I was watching foodball with my friends a month ago I had few pieces of pizza from pizza hut and I started getting cramps in my stomach.An hour later I got sick.

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[quote]marcusxavier wrote:
milhouse472 wrote:
WTF? Didn’t I just get through explaining that. How about a quote and a comment, not a repost.

The post is different from yours. Did you wanted a pat in the back or something? Its not like I learned/copied something from your post. Quoted you now, better?

Cthulhu wrote:

Check out the skin cancer rate in Africa,they spend all day out in the sun

The main problem in Africa is AIDS. The country is dying because of it.
Caucasians have a higher incidence of skin cancers.
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Just thought it was repititious, but no real need to argue about it. my bad.

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[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
When I was watching foodball with my friends a month ago I had few pieces of pizza from pizza hut and I started getting cramps in my stomach.An hour later I got sick.[/quote]

Pizza Hut + McDonalds + Dairy Queen (all in one night) = Terrible weekend with stuff coming out of both ends :frowning:

That was the last time I had Pizza Hut (since I have had Micky D’s and Dairy Queen at the same time before)

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[quote]marcusxavier wrote:
HouseOfAtlas wrote:
Thanks for pointing that out. It is really interesting, to be honest.

So, is it a bad thing or a good thing to have those enzymes? I mean, I do eat fatty foods now (organic cheese, organic peanut butter, organic almonds) and don’t get sick. I’m still trying to follow the Anabolic Diet rules (high fat, high protein, low carbs), yet when I have bacon or McDonalds (when I did), I just felt queazy.

Isn’t the saturated fat in cheese different than in bacon? I’m not sure.

The enzymes you will always have them, the amount you produce is what changes. It will go back to higher levels when the diet changes back. So this won’t affect your health.
No all fats are created equal. I believe nuts and milk fats are different from the ones in burgers. Also a McD burger is mostly fat compared to a burger you make in your house with 96% lean beef. So ratios of fats to other nutrients in the meal may play role.
Keep eating what makes you feel healthy.

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Thanks for the input :slight_smile:

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[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
When I was watching foodball with my friends a month ago I had few pieces of pizza from pizza hut and I started getting cramps in my stomach.An hour later I got sick.

Pizza Hut + McDonalds + Dairy Queen (all in one night) = Terrible weekend with stuff coming out of both ends :frowning:

That was the last time I had Pizza Hut (since I have had Micky D’s and Dairy Queen at the same time before)
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Damn,you must of been one pig to eat all that within the same night,lol.

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[quote]Velvet Revolver wrote:
cycomiko wrote:
Velvet Revolver wrote:
Your a moron, and your facts are so flawed its ridiculous. Age does NOT cause cancer. Carcinogenic toxins in the food we eat, water we drink and environment we live in cause cancer. Our bodies are just less likely to fight them off the older we get. If these toxin chemicals didnt get in our system, we would NEVER get cancer. We would eventually die of some sort of viral or bacterial infection overwhelming our weakened system. Thats natural. Cancer is not.

People don’t naturally get cancer. Its not a natural disease. A cold or the flu is normal. Cancer and heart disease is not. If a thousand years ago in a non toxic state, people lived in a safe environment with access to ample food, drugs, safty and doctor care, everyone would have lived into there 90’s and beyond without cancer, with most dying from a cold/flu.

well done on proving you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

The moron above never proved anything and neither have you.
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the moron above never proved anything to me but you have

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[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
First, Trudeau could recommend a whole bunch of supplements, but he doesn’t. He mentions one or two, but that is it. Have you even read his book, or just got info from the grapevine?
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I spent about an hour reading it at a bookstore, but have no need to buy it and read it cover to cover. While it does contain some very generic information that could be considered good common sense, it is, at its core, a blatant scam. You would have to be completely naieve not to realize this. It has even been proven that Trudaeu hired confederates to write thousands of (FAKE) positive reviews for the book on amazon.com. His Coral Calcium supplement, which he marketed illegally by making dozens of blatantly false and misleading claims, was shown to contain mostly ordinary calcium carbonate AND was contaminated with LEAD! Trudeau is a fraud and all his shit is a scam. I really don’t see how anyone could take that book seriously.

I would define a supplement peddler as someone who markets supplements using false claims or any other deliberate or negligent distortion of science. No that doesn’t mean that everyone who sells supplements is a supplement peddler. I don’t care if you sell sugar pills as long as you don’t make false claims about them…

That’s not true. Some people (Kevin Trudeau) knowingly sell products that aren’t good and simply lie about their quality.

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[quote]belligerent wrote:
His Coral Calcium supplement, which he marketed illegally by making dozens of blatantly false and misleading claims, was shown to contain mostly ordinary calcium carbonate AND was contaminated with LEAD![/quote]

Proof???

[quote]belligerent wrote:
I would define a supplement peddler as someone who markets supplements using false claims or any other deliberate or negligent distortion of science. No that doesn’t mean that everyone who sells supplements is a supplement peddler. I don’t care if you sell sugar pills as long as you don’t make false claims about them…[/quote]

Right. I’ve seen LOTS of supplement companies say “This protein helps build 200% more muscle mass than this product” or “This product will burn more fat than others.” Yet, no scientic proof to show whether one fat burner is better than another. So, A LOT of supplement companies are supplement peddlers.

[quote]belligerent wrote:
That’s not true. Some people (Kevin Trudeau) knowingly sell products that aren’t good and simply lie about their quality.[/quote]

What exactly did he say that he lied about? Just because the FDA banned him from stating claims doesn’t mean they aren’t true. Like people have pointed out over and over, the FDA puts stuff out that kills people.

'nuff said