When most people quote the life expectancy back in 1900 being in the 40’s what they don’t realise is that the lion’s share of the drop in expectancy as compared to now was the massively different rate of childhood death.If you lived through childhood you would live about as long as we do now,with maybe 5-10 years difference(probably due to better sanitation and antibiotics).SO…the difference in cancer rate is probably due to all the extra chemical(in the air and in food) which exist now.Just take a look at the info on hormone disruptors and try and tell me that has nothing to do with the toxic overloaded environment that we live in now.
My grandfather owned an extensive garden. Very impressive, though i was NEVER EVER allowed to play in there when i was a kid. My dads rules.
Anyway whenever you spoke to grandad his “home grown” food, better then anything you could ever buy in a shop, was given to you. shown to you. food cooked with it was given to you. Anyway, i later found out that grandad was a huge fan of the early pesticides. You know chlorine derived benzene things. So much so that when they were banned he went out and bought 50 gallon drums of the stuff and stocked up. If the dog had flees, break out the ddt and the sprayer .
It wasnt really organic. Or safe. I really believe that alot of people dont believe in the over sciency claims behind these movements. Whether its safer chemicals or organics and they will do whatever they usually do. Whatever racks in the money. I bet even those old immigrant guys at the organic produce markets are selling stuff thats been sprayed just because they can make a better profit.
Never understimate the people flocking to the money in a often unregulated industry. Even if it is regulated most of us dont know how well its enforced.
[quote]Velvet Revolver wrote:
Your a moron, and your facts are so flawed its ridiculous. Age does NOT cause cancer. Carcinogenic toxins in the food we eat, water we drink and environment we live in cause cancer. Our bodies are just less likely to fight them off the older we get. If these toxin chemicals didnt get in our system, we would NEVER get cancer. We would eventually die of some sort of viral or bacterial infection overwhelming our weakened system. Thats natural. Cancer is not.
People don’t naturally get cancer. Its not a natural disease. A cold or the flu is normal. Cancer and heart disease is not. If a thousand years ago in a non toxic state, people lived in a safe environment with access to ample food, drugs, safty and doctor care, everyone would have lived into there 90’s and beyond without cancer, with most dying from a cold/flu.
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well done on proving you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
[quote]cycomiko wrote:
Velvet Revolver wrote:
Your a moron, and your facts are so flawed its ridiculous. Age does NOT cause cancer. Carcinogenic toxins in the food we eat, water we drink and environment we live in cause cancer. Our bodies are just less likely to fight them off the older we get. If these toxin chemicals didnt get in our system, we would NEVER get cancer. We would eventually die of some sort of viral or bacterial infection overwhelming our weakened system. Thats natural. Cancer is not.
People don’t naturally get cancer. Its not a natural disease. A cold or the flu is normal. Cancer and heart disease is not. If a thousand years ago in a non toxic state, people lived in a safe environment with access to ample food, drugs, safty and doctor care, everyone would have lived into there 90’s and beyond without cancer, with most dying from a cold/flu.
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Yeah, I love how some people can just infer the most sophisticated mechanisms of biology as they go along… what do you suppose Kevin Trudeau bought with your money?
farmers put some nasty shite in our food. i know america is waay worse than ireland but i know farmers who have sprayed, WITHIN THE LAST 5years with these chemicals(most are illegal a long time ago!!)
DDT
Agent orange!!
wish i was talkin shite but i’m not. spuds for example are sprayed with a LOT of different stuff. chemicals to stop them sprouting, fungasides, herbacides etc etc etc.
there is definately a lot of difference between organic and the ordinary stuff
Yes. People’s body should be able to handle healthy food. We need food to live. If you find someone who has been eating organic for a long time and you tell them to go to McDonalds for a cheeseburger, fries, and then maybe even a small pizza from Pizza Hut, they will more than likely get sick. Their body will try and get rid of the bad toxins (food). Plain and simple.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
what do you suppose Kevin Trudeau bought with your money?
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There are LOTS of doctors/experts that believe the same thing Kevin does.
For an example, Alex Duarte is a doctor who believes in curing with natural remedies. That is just one.
About the whole cancer thing. It is all in theory. There are so many things that doctors thought were fact, when they were a “theory” and not fact (like the thing about bacteria living in the stomach).
Yes. People’s body should be able to handle healthy food. We need food to live. If you find someone who has been eating organic for a long time and you tell them to go to McDonalds for a cheeseburger, fries, and then maybe even a small pizza from Pizza Hut, they will more than likely get sick. Their body will try and get rid of the bad toxins (food). Plain and simple.
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I agree. McDonalds makes me queasy. McDonalds is pseudofood.
Bacon is no problem for me.
I don’t have either one more than a few times a year.
Are you talking about having nasty shits or are you talking about getting sick (upset stomach, vomiting, etc.)?
[quote]cycomiko wrote:
Velvet Revolver wrote:
Your a moron, and your facts are so flawed its ridiculous. Age does NOT cause cancer. Carcinogenic toxins in the food we eat, water we drink and environment we live in cause cancer. Our bodies are just less likely to fight them off the older we get. If these toxin chemicals didnt get in our system, we would NEVER get cancer. We would eventually die of some sort of viral or bacterial infection overwhelming our weakened system. Thats natural. Cancer is not.
People don’t naturally get cancer. Its not a natural disease. A cold or the flu is normal. Cancer and heart disease is not. If a thousand years ago in a non toxic state, people lived in a safe environment with access to ample food, drugs, safty and doctor care, everyone would have lived into there 90’s and beyond without cancer, with most dying from a cold/flu.
well done on proving you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.[/quote]
The moron above never proved anything and neither have you.
[quote]Velvet Revolver wrote:
cycomiko wrote:
Velvet Revolver wrote:
Your a moron, and your facts are so flawed its ridiculous. Age does NOT cause cancer. Carcinogenic toxins in the food we eat, water we drink and environment we live in cause cancer. Our bodies are just less likely to fight them off the older we get. If these toxin chemicals didnt get in our system, we would NEVER get cancer. We would eventually die of some sort of viral or bacterial infection overwhelming our weakened system. Thats natural. Cancer is not.
People don’t naturally get cancer. Its not a natural disease. A cold or the flu is normal. Cancer and heart disease is not. If a thousand years ago in a non toxic state, people lived in a safe environment with access to ample food, drugs, safty and doctor care, everyone would have lived into there 90’s and beyond without cancer, with most dying from a cold/flu.
well done on proving you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
The moron above never proved anything and neither have you.
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Not just me that thinks you don’t know anything then VR.
[quote]supermick wrote:
This brings me onto another point - what were shelling out our hard earned cash for - how do we know that these guidelines are adhered to ie - has the land been left 3 years?
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There’s a certification that one has to pass. Not terribly sure about the specifics, but there’s one certification for land that has been “pesticide free” for 3 years and one for “in-transition” which is land that’s switching over, but hasn’t yet met the 3 year mark.
How can you tell that they’re adhering to it and aren’t just putting the certification on? How do you know that the nutrition facts have been audited and aren’t random - one has to trust the certification agency.
Although, I just remembered a discussion I overheard about a NY organic farmer who stopped certifying his crops. When asked why, he said that there are 225 (or so) chemicals that one could use and still be considered “organic,” so to him, it was a crock.
Dunno if that changes anyone’s opinion.
I suppose until I get a better job, the $.99/lb frozen chopped spinach is for me.
Anecdotal about certification - I met an organic famer and toured his land for a class in college (not long ago…). He told us about getting into all kinds of shit after a truck drove across some of his land to deliver something. The guy who checks on him for the certification pointed out this truck drove on other non-organic farms and just blew up over it… can’t remember if he got put on some kind of probation or what. If that story is at all indicative, they obviously keep pretty good track of what’s going on at these places.
I also have to agree that all kinds of misinformation about cancer has been posted… on both sides of this argument.
Yes. People’s body should be able to handle healthy food. We need food to live. If you find someone who has been eating organic for a long time and you tell them to go to McDonalds for a cheeseburger, fries, and then maybe even a small pizza from Pizza Hut, they will more than likely get sick. Their body will try and get rid of the bad toxins (food). Plain and simple.
I agree. McDonalds makes me queasy. McDonalds is pseudofood.
Bacon is no problem for me.
I don’t have either one more than a few times a year.
Are you talking about having nasty shits or are you talking about getting sick (upset stomach, vomiting, etc.)?[/quote]
I used to be a smoker and I used to be a vegitarian (10 years).
I hate being around smoke/smokers. I am the worst kind of ex-smoker.
I love meat. Can’t get enough. I eat mostly organic chicken and beef from our local butcher. I got a craving for bacon on Saturday and had four heavenly slices. (I eat beacon maybe twice a year).
I didn’t get sick.
You really can’t compare bacon to smoke. Maybe I would have gotten sick if I had eaten the whole pig?
[quote]Velvet Revolver wrote:
cycomiko wrote:
Velvet Revolver wrote:
Your a moron, and your facts are so flawed its ridiculous. Age does NOT cause cancer. Carcinogenic toxins in the food we eat, water we drink and environment we live in cause cancer. Our bodies are just less likely to fight them off the older we get. If these toxin chemicals didnt get in our system, we would NEVER get cancer. We would eventually die of some sort of viral or bacterial infection overwhelming our weakened system. Thats natural. Cancer is not.
People don’t naturally get cancer. Its not a natural disease. A cold or the flu is normal. Cancer and heart disease is not. If a thousand years ago in a non toxic state, people lived in a safe environment with access to ample food, drugs, safty and doctor care, everyone would have lived into there 90’s and beyond without cancer, with most dying from a cold/flu.
well done on proving you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
The moron above never proved anything and neither have you.
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If you don’t know anything about basic DNA replication and repair, you shouldn’t be speaking crap. If you don’t know p53, telomerase,replicon or anything about biology, STFU. Age is a factor and you shouldn’t be calling people morons when you are actually the biggest one. It so dumb you speak without any real information…
Holy SHIT weh have mechanism to repair our DNA long before DDT, super nuclear radiating burgers and pyscho farmers sprayers from hell. So maybe gasp its NATURAL to get mutations in our DNA and some of them going unchecked and transforming into cancer… Even in your pathetic perfect society some of those douches would get metastatic skin cancer because of laying around in the sun too much thinking how perfect is their world while drinking super organic tea from heaven.
[quote]marcusxavier wrote:
Velvet Revolver wrote:
cycomiko wrote:
Velvet Revolver wrote:
Your a moron, and your facts are so flawed its ridiculous. Age does NOT cause cancer. Carcinogenic toxins in the food we eat, water we drink and environment we live in cause cancer. Our bodies are just less likely to fight them off the older we get. If these toxin chemicals didnt get in our system, we would NEVER get cancer. We would eventually die of some sort of viral or bacterial infection overwhelming our weakened system. Thats natural. Cancer is not.
People don’t naturally get cancer. Its not a natural disease. A cold or the flu is normal. Cancer and heart disease is not. If a thousand years ago in a non toxic state, people lived in a safe environment with access to ample food, drugs, safty and doctor care, everyone would have lived into there 90’s and beyond without cancer, with most dying from a cold/flu.
well done on proving you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
The moron above never proved anything and neither have you.
If you don’t know anything about basic DNA replication and repair, you shouldn’t be speaking crap. If you don’t know p53, telomerase,replicon or anything about biology, STFU. Age is a factor and you shouldn’t be calling people morons when you are actually the biggest one. It so dumb you speak without any real information…
Holy SHIT weh have mechanism to repair our DNA long before DDT, super nuclear radiating burgers and pyscho farmers sprayers from hell. So maybe gasp its NATURAL to get mutations in our DNA and some of them going unchecked and transforming into cancer… Even in your pathetic perfect society some of those douches would get metastatic skin cancer because of laying around in the sun too much thinking how perfect is their world while drinking super organic tea from heaven.[/quote]
WTF? Didn’t I just get through explaining that. How about a quote and a comment, not a repost.
Age is not the number one cause of cancer.However,I do agree with you that it can play an important role when it comes to cancer prevention.As people get older,most of them are exposed to toxins and become somewhat weak.A lot of old people have a high chance of getting cancer because their immune systems aren’t strong enough.A lot of the drugs we use today does weaken our immune system.50 years ago America spent more time in the sun then they did today.Skin cancer rates where lower too. I don’t believe the sun is causing all the skin cancer in America today.Maybe it’s all these cheap lotions on the market that have ingredients like “yellow 6,red 2;blue 5.”
Check out the skin cancer rate in Africa,they spend all day out in the sun.
[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
marcusxavier wrote:
Velvet Revolver wrote:
cycomiko wrote:
Velvet Revolver wrote:
Your a moron, and your facts are so flawed its ridiculous. Age does NOT cause cancer. Carcinogenic toxins in the food we eat, water we drink and environment we live in cause cancer. Our bodies are just less likely to fight them off the older we get. If these toxin chemicals didnt get in our system, we would NEVER get cancer. We would eventually die of some sort of viral or bacterial infection overwhelming our weakened system. Thats natural. Cancer is not.
People don’t naturally get cancer. Its not a natural disease. A cold or the flu is normal. Cancer and heart disease is not. If a thousand years ago in a non toxic state, people lived in a safe environment with access to ample food, drugs, safty and doctor care, everyone would have lived into there 90’s and beyond without cancer, with most dying from a cold/flu.
well done on proving you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
The moron above never proved anything and neither have you.
If you don’t know anything about basic DNA replication and repair, you shouldn’t be speaking crap. If you don’t know p53, telomerase,replicon or anything about biology, STFU. Age is a factor and you shouldn’t be calling people morons when you are actually the biggest one. It so dumb you speak without any real information…
Holy SHIT weh have mechanism to repair our DNA long before DDT, super nuclear radiating burgers and pyscho farmers sprayers from hell. So maybe gasp its NATURAL to get mutations in our DNA and some of them going unchecked and transforming into cancer… Even in your pathetic perfect society some of those douches would get metastatic skin cancer because of laying around in the sun too much thinking how perfect is their world while drinking super organic tea from heaven.