Options for Avoiding a Beat-Down

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[quote]Itchy wrote:
The short version of the story: Last week I was driving through my neighborhood on the way home from work with my niece in the car and I exchanged words with these 3 guys who were standing in the middle of the street. I told them to get out of the road, and in a split second 8-7 more guy’s appear from inside a garage and start yelling threats at me.

Today I drove by again on the way home on my lunch break and some of the same guys are outside (only 5 this time) and they jump in their truck like they are gonna come after me, but then I guess they thought better of it, or the truck wouldn’t start, or something, because I rounded the curve and didn’t see them again.

Anyway, I brought an aluminum baseball bat with me just on the chance that my car gets blocked in or some shit like that and I these guys try to jump me. Normally I wouldn’t be that worried if it was only 1 or 2 against me, at least I would have a chance. But what is one to do when it’s 8 to 10 on 1?

The thing is, there are 5 different ways out of the neighborhood which are the same distance. The policeman who does security at my job told me it would be best if I just went a different way and avoided the situation altogether. He also said that if these guys close on me and i whack anyone with the bat before they have a chance to touch me, I could be charged with assault. The thing is, it hurts me to think of just taking a different way to work just avoid these punks. I mean it literally makes me sick to my stomach to think about letting them win. Isn’t that like letting a bully take your lunch money? I almost took a detour back to work, but I felt like such a pussy that I turned around in a driveway and went back to my street just to take my usual route and keep my dignity in tact. My adrenaline was surging as soon as I rounded the corner, but luckily no one was outside and there was no incident.

Sorry for the gargantuan post. Thoughts? Advice? What would you do? [/quote]

You are not in grade school. Do not act like you are in grade school. The things you do now have serious, and lasting, consequences.

If you hit first, yes, it’s assault. If you hit them with a bat, it’s assault with a deadly weapon. If these characters are anything like I think they are, they’ll not think twice about stomping you. And you will get stomped.

You should be worried. Anything can happen in a fight. And if you fight two of them, you will lose. You ever fight two guys before? Good luck buddy.

I’m stealing and paraphrasing this from Marc Macyoung, but your first line of defense in self defense is your awareness. Aware that you’re going to be mugged, or that you’re in a bad environment, or that someone is following you.

Hey asshole, you got that part figured out already. You know there is a large group of people that want to stop you, and they congregate in a certain area. If you continue to antagonize, you deserve what you get.

You want to be a tough guy? Follow them, and catch them one on one in an alley where there’s no witnesses. Then prepare to be hunted, and never be allowed to let your guard down. You may as well be going to war, and unless you plan on thinking about this shit every hour for the next year or so, then lay the fuck off. Far too much effort for my taste.

If you want to put your family and your personal safety at risk over some imagined slight with people that you, in reality, have no real problem with, than keep it up. But don’t blame me when you’re in the ER cause you let your dick do your thinking instead of your brain.

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[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
You could buy a replica shotgun (preferably one that can fire - just for the noise), and if they try stopping you fire it in the air and act like a crazy mofo.[/quote]

That will get you killed, either by them or the police when they come.

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[quote]matathedestroyer wrote:
Just keep doing what you do. If they didnt do anything the first time they are cowards. If they need to feel tough with 10 to 1 odds… cowards.

Just show them you’re not scared. Bullies are creatures of oppurtunity. Show them you’re not scared of them and you’ll be fine.[/quote]

LOL!!!

Motherfucker you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Shit like this will get you killed in the streets.

I can’t believe this was even posted. This is like that crap your third grade teacher tells you- “oh they’re just cowards! Nothing will happen!”

Bullshit. You avoid violence at all costs, but when it happens, you meet violence with more violence. And like I said, unless this cat is ready to seriously make his life more difficult between courts, cops, judges, and stompings, and other shit, than I advise him to just take what is literally the high road and avoid it.

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Build a terminator. Tell him they are all named John Connor, video tape it, put it on Youtube, and enjoy.

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Great advice FightinIrish. Some people can’t decipher fantasy from reality.

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Can’t you carry for defense in Texas?

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I thought Texas gun laws were much less strict, i.e. you can have a loaded gun in your car?
In your situation i would:

Buy some lightweight defense pistol, with a 10+ round clip. Don’t just go for one with less, because if you’re new to guns and actually get in a situation you have to shoot, you’ll need all the shots you can take. especially jacked up on adrenaline.

You don’t let them know you have it, and you don’t pull it or threaten it, just have it if shit gets serious. There’s a large chance that just seeing you have a gun on you if they try something could scare them shitless. Then again, i don’t know how serious this feud is, if they have guns on them at the time, this may badly escalate the situation. Your call.

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Throw shit at them.

No one wants to fight a guy that throws shit.

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“Oh no! here comes that guy that’s always throwing shit!”

“hurry! let’s get inside and study arithmetic so we don’t get shit thrown at us!”

It can’t fail.

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How some of you people that posted on this thread have survived as long as you have amazes me.

Proves Darwin wrong though I’ll tell you that.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
How some of you people that posted on this thread have survived as long as you have amazes me.

Proves Darwin wrong though I’ll tell you that.[/quote]

True…sounds like he has too much pride. How will they “win” if you take a different route to work?? Its one thing if they’re following you around…but don’t be stupid. Also,why doesn’t he report it to POLICE and not a security guard at his job.

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If I were you I’d contact Rob in WDC. He’s the most capable here to deal with your problem.

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Nice response, FI. In the future, if there are people standing in the middle of the street, just drive around them. It’s fine to almost clip them, but that’s probably the most appropriate response.

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I suggest a male escort.

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This thread, and all the others like it (and there seem to be alot lately) is just sad. As men, we’ve all been groomed to believe we are the stronger sex. Well, after attaining a certain level of wisdom with experience and age, I’ve come to the conclusion that in many ways we are the weaker sex (oh yes, we each have our own inate “strengths” generally).

I come from a security background and also, I’m not bragging at all, from that background of the guy that would quickly engage someone in a fight (I’m not proud to say anymore). However, with seasoning and wisdom, and perhaps moreso actually becoming a real man (secure in myself), my evolving personal rule has been you can say what you want, up until the point you become a real threat and put your hands on me or a loved one.

Why do fights start? In most cases, the FRAGILE male ego. And with the OP, we have a case study of the FRAGILE male ego. Don’t worry OP, I’m not flaming you, I was there once. Do you know how many fights I’ve broken up where at least one of the combantants was counting on it? Wishing for it to be stopped? Know how many men have been killed by guns over their fragile egos and perceived slights?

Anyway, all this gun and weapon talk is clown talk. Fighting is serious business. Someone said risk v. reward - very on point. The risk is always jail or injury and even death. The reward is what? Even if you win, you’ve probably harmed someone.

The best advice you have received is to avoid the area. Why? Because you’re the type who needed to come here and get the advice to begin with?

Years ago, if it were me, I’d find the ring leader and give him a nice beating - I’d help him find religion. And then yes, I’d be prepared for the fallout. Are you capable of giving that beating and taking the fallout? And if you are, why are you here asking for advice? And if you are, what will you have gained other than protecting your fragile ego? Yes, before you ask, my own ego was similiarly, like many many men, fragile.

Call it growing up, gaining wisdom, becoming secure - it doesn’t matter. Unless you’re getting paid or DEFENDING yourself, there is nothing to be gained, unless of course you cannot overcome your own fragile EGO.

Who cares about posturing, threats and words? If someone really wants some, they’ll put their hands on you. If you’re here asking advice about that, then you’re not of the constitution to use a weapon or defend yourself. No shame in that. The authorities are there to protect you if you need it.

Anyway, I’m rambling now. You get the point. Stronger sex my ass.

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The world is descending into chaos. The culture of violence is spreading now from ghettoes outward.

If possible, move to a resort-type town (like Aspen or Telluride) that is not near any big cities, ie within reasonable driving distance for thugs and gangbangers. These latter groups will soon proliferate.

Move now before too many people want to follow the internal migration away from decaying cities and suburbs.

That, or carry a handgun and get trained how to use it. Also, learn viscious hand-to-hand, like from this guy.

Good luck, man!!

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[quote]Otep wrote:

You ever see the Lion King? Mufasa’s explaining to his son the difference between bravery and stupidity. Think about it.
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Good point. I was thinking about this post alot at work yesterday. Then I went home and wtched The Lion King.

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[quote]Bujutsuka wrote:

People do die in fights, especially against multiple opponents. People have literally DIED from a single blow to the head. You can trust if they get you it will be a lot more than that. Plus a lot of people carry knives. Real life isn’t youtube or movies, fights can fuck you up bad. Chances are you’d survive but probably with some missing teeth and broken bones. In that case I hope you don’t like to work out because you wouldn’t be for several months.

Even if you beat all of their asses your pride wouldn’t feel nearly as good as an ass whoopin hurts or dealing with the legal system sucks. Trust me, it’s not worth it.
Take a different way and and be full of pride about how you’re a lot smarter than them.[/quote]

That’s the thing–I’ve been in a few fights and I’ve seen a few pretty serious beatdowns before, and there’s nothing cool about seeing that kind of shit. Unlike the movies, it actually HURTS pretty badly when you get your ass kicked, and unless you have ever experienced getting teeth knocked out and ribs broken, etc. you really don’t know. It’s funny, as soon as I thought they were about to follow me, my adrenaline started pumping and I suddenly had these very vivid sensory memories of all the worst pains that have been inflicted on me–stuff I haven’t thought about in a while.

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[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
Can’t you carry for defense in Texas?[/quote]

If you can prove that you are at obvious risk, most states will grant you a permit to carry.

But this misses the point entirely in this case.

DB

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:
dragonmamma wrote:

How would a civilian non-LEO run a plate check?

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That’s what I was wondering.