So I’m currently running test c at 400 mg split into two pins a week I’m 6,1 260lb been working out for about 3 years now
I’ve been researching Tren e and primo wanted opinions on either running these three together if they compliment each other or just running test c with one of these at a time and which to run first my goal is to get bigger and reduce fat I’m currently around 20 to 25 % body fat much appreciated.
Are you a powerlifter by any chance?
Have you ran either of these before?
That’s everyone’s goal. Be more specific.
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I’d strongly recommend staying away from tren unless you’re a competition body builder, or maybe looking to move into competition in the near future. Otherwise, it doesn’t really make sense to put such a harmful substance into your body. It makes a lot of people feel crummy (tren flu), have terrible night sweats and sweat that makes you smell like you use ammonia for cologne, and for many people it also messes with their mind: anxiety, irritability, paranoia, jealousy, anger, compulsiveness, etc. It can put a strain on your relationships.
It’s also particularly hard on your organs.
In a way you can also think of AAS as each person having a sort of fixed number of cycles in them, and so the aim should be to get as much out of each one in a progressive manner as possible. Going from test only or test plus anavar or dbol to then stacking in tren is akin to trying to go from crawling to sprinting, when you haven’t even learned to walk yet.
400mg test a week is a really good cycle for a first or even 3rd to 5th or so. I’d advise anyone looking to start using AAS to start with 250 or so a week for 12-16 weeks. Then move to the 400 you’re on for their 2nd or 3rd. In some ways I think even progressing with test only up to 600-800 a week is best, before adding in other stuff.
Anyhow, sorry to be preachy, but I’d suggest staying away from tren. You can get really good results, results tgat are even similar to tren, from other stacks, like 400 test and 400 deca a week with 50-100 anavar a day and 25mg MK-677 a day for 16-20 weeks. With deca I recommend at least 16 weeks. You could maybe increase test to 600. This is an incredible cycle.
Primo is awesome, but expensive and often fake…commonly masteron instead of real primo. But primo and masteron don’t make much sense unless you’ve first gotten body fat below 20%, at least; most people would say below 15%.
Whatever you do, make sure to have arimidex on hand and get blood work around week 4. If estradiol is high, which it probably will be, start taking arimidex to control it. But go easy on arimidex because you don’t want to crush your estrogen levels, and arimidex is powerful stuff. Maybe start with 0.5mg every 4-5 days, and get labs again after 3 weeks. Adjust dose as needed.
I’m not a doctor and I don’t know what I’m talking about, so do your own due diligence and take AAS at your own risk.
If you’re wanting to take tren you’ll probably do it no matter what people say. If you do, start with a very low dose, because it your sides are bad it takes a long time to clear; 60-100mg a week for first few weeks wouldn’t be too little. If you don’t like the sides at least they will be minimal and will clear faster than if you get yourself stuck with 300mg in your body and wish you hadn’t. You can always increase the dose if you’re tolerating it decently.
Good luck!
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This is an issue right here. With your BF you’re in no condition to use AAS. Your asking for issues. Drugs are not magic. Fix your diet, get more cardio in and get your bodyfat down to 12-15% and then consider using gear.
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No I have never ran either of these before & yes I want to be a power lifter getting stronger seeing where my body can take me and getting to 15 % bf I really don’t want to get to low I’ve tried to find all the info I can on Tren but sometimes it’s real hard to get a definitive answer but beside the side effects the strength output you get from Tren I heard is some of the best but that’s only what I’ve read you think any of these compounds would help me achieve that goal or if I should replace any I’ve got my blood work and and everything is where it needs to be and plan to do it more frequently if I do hop on any of the mentioned compounds and have my pct ready sorry if I wasn’t specific my first post came on here saw that the community had a lot of helpful advice and experience I don’t have so thank you guys for sharing your insights I want to learn as much as I can
Currently benching 315
Squat 365
Dead lift 405
If there’s anything more I can elaborate on I’ll be happy to again thank you for even looking at my post.
Hey thank you for your input and replying to my post just trying to get a better understanding I’m still doing more research and saw this platform and saw that it’s good community to ask questions to people with experience so I won’t do no dumb shit and ideally at first I didn’t want to get to low in body fat 15 was where I was thinking and just gaining crazy amounts of strength and keeping my weight up
For your height and weight and aspiration of being a powerlifter - these are very mediocre numbers. I don’t want to come off as harsh but it’s the truth.
I think you would achieve your goal of getting stronger and less fat by following a tried and true strength program - there are plenty to choose from.
With those numbers you really have no business using tren or primo. Stick to testosterone since you already started and don’t touch another compound until you get your DL to at least 550 lb. You need to put in the work. Tren will help make you stronger but it’s meaningless if the same can be achieved with 500mg test and a proper routine. Tren is for very advanced and elite level powerlifters. That’s not you.
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Thank you sir for you input I really appreciate it trying to learn as much as possible
Not harsh just the truth i will work a little harder I appreciate the honesty only in my third year of working toward my goal even then I think I jumped the gun hoppin on test my 2nd year but that’s why I’m here want to learn more appreciate you guys for the input.
Starting a training log would be my advice.
What were you lab values before starting your cycle? Total test, free t, e2, shbg?
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Neither but primo is actually the more friendly compound with less sides but also less impact. Tren E is one of the most aggressive injectables with mental and physical side effects galore.
Why… you weigh 260lbs. You should want to get smaller.
This is a good goal. Unless you have low T you shouldnt need AAS for this. Drop the weight first and get into a prime position to grow before considering PEDs.
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Drop the test, run primo, and dont look at tren unless you’re going to be competing in a physique oriented show.
Get your diet straight and you’ll lean out.
If it’s healthy, eat it.
If it’s not, don’t.
Keep training the way you have been so the muscle you’ve built sticks.
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