Re: test only cycles. Just wanted to get opinions on the dose of testosterone y’all feel is the max before the sides outweigh the benefits. I know response is individual, but would like your opinions.
My own experience is I ran a gram several years ago which was followed by a relatively minor case of cutis verticis gyrata (scalp condition).
I haven’t used over 600mg. But from what I have gathered the max should be around 1000/1200mg. Anything over is apparently not worth it.
Everyone will respond different, I have run up to a gram a week and as low as 200mg/week.
For me I find a sweet spot between 250-300 for close to zero sides, feel great and functionality is optimum.
I recent hit a gram for 2 weeks or 500/week preloaded and that caused me to blow up with water retention.
I am always playing mad scientist with my stacks and doses. From personal experience and I seem to read similar situations online; 500mgs a week will get results period! Even as you progress and that mg to body pound ratio is diminished the 500 will still foster positive movements albeit at what’s seems a slower pace. The estrogen sides are usually low end and possibly not even requiring an AI support.
At 750mgs a week all of a sudden those estrogen sides seem to jump. Like you just have to take AI everyday but at a low dose. Just taking the AI on pinning days or EOD just doesn’t seem to manage everything. I personally think that whole having to manage estrogen with an AI ends up hindering your gains. I am sure if you could get regular blood work like twice a week then you could dial in the AI and properly gain but trying to titrate your dose yourself just isn’t that effective.
I have never gone above 800mgs of test. I have gone up to one and a half grams of wet compounds and really I didn’t seem to have to take any more AI than when I took 750mgs of just test. But again I dont get multiple blood draws during my cycles.
I am sure there are benefits to going up to a gram or gram and a half of test but then you have to work against the estrogen so you really don’t get to have and appreciate the benefits of all that test. It like you have to go and knock the estrogen down enough to manage it but then it’s too low to properly allow a full harnessing of the gaining potential of the test. However if you dont knock down the estrogen then it will make you grow tits and no matter how Jack the rest of you is, tits are just going to ruin it.
For TRT… 200-250mg weekly I’d say is the upper limit regarding long term usage, some can’t even handle this
Cycling… not sure
Why do you feel this?
Going for new bloods tomorrow, because my last labs a week ago put me at 6.76 ng/mL on a range of 1.93 - 7.40. That’s at 200mg a week. If I get the same results tomorrow, I’m upping the dose.
In a mild hijack, if anyone has any idea why I’m suddenly so low when a lower dose had me at 833 (the lab changed units to ng/mL for some reason since the previous test) a year ago.
This isn’t applicable for everyone… For the general populace, 200-250 is abut as high as I would go long term… Some can get away with higher dosages, it’s dependent on where it gets you to, impact on haematological parameters, lipids, kidney function etc. There’s a happy medium/cut off point regarding impact on longevity and hedonism (how you feel). I don’t recommend running high doses for trt. But then again my “trt” upcoming will be 75mg test 200mg boldenone… so who the fuck am I to tell you not to run high doses for TRT. I apologise if this post comes across as incoherent, due to jet lag and seeing friends I haven’t slept in about two days now (that’s a lie, I’ve had six hours of sleep)
We have very little data to go on regarding what is and isn’t safe. HED’s of test and whatnot equating too like 70-125mg/wk for a human has been shown to induce profound cardiac damage in our rodent counterparts… clearly this wouldn’t apply to humans.
Method of lab assay (how they measure test), injection site (can prolong or decrease HL influencing peak concentrations, rate of release etc… how many days post shot bloods are taken, variance in potency from batch to batch (esp if generic)
Same as always, taken at trough. The only difference might be that I may have been injecting Sub-Q a year ago and I inject IM now (Usually in the quad).
Sub Q vs IM does change the pharmacokinetics of the compound. However you’d expect a shorter HL on IM, thus higher peaks. How many days post shot are you taking bloods? If it’s nadir then it does make sense, as the nadir would be lower from IM vs sub Q due to slower release of the hormone… but the peak would also be lower
It was electrochemical luminescence, 2nd generation if I’m translating correctly.
Both labs from this year and last year?
I’m twice a week, so 4 days post previous dose. Dec 2018 compared to December 2019
2x/wk sub Q vs IM… hmmmmm
I’m unsure regarding the pharmacokinetics of quad shots, I don’t think there’s any existing data, like we know glutei vs deltoid shots harbour different HL’s) try go sub Q again and take labs if you’re curious, good change it’s the route of administration at stake here (or the labs if both samples were measured differently)
are you taking generic or branded test (or is it UGL)?
I’ll admit when I’m at a loss, I may not have the answer here
Thyroid output can speed up/slow down drug metabolism, which can vary…
Testex brand Pharma Cypionate. No different than a year ago.
hmmmm, any introduced variables (how often do you drink? More frequently than perhaps one year ago)… I’m thinking it’s the switch in route of administration that’s inducing this difference. However thyroid output, alcohol consumption etc can all potentially induce impact.
Has BF% changed at all since last year?
I rarely drink, and it’s only one or at most two if I do. I probably have lower body fat, certainly not more, and nothing else has changed that I’m aware of. Except I am carrying a little more muscle now. I have decent shoulders for the first time in forever.
Then I’d chalk it up to altering route of administration. I’ve exhausted other possible avenues. But like I said, there’s always going to be slight variation within regard to drug metabolism