Opinion on Bill Roberts 2 On/4 Off Protocol

Pharma / TRT
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[quote]boatguy wrote:
OK, I’ll bite.

I’ve never used Superdrol, but I did several 2-on/5-off cycles this past winter, and they work if you do them consecutive like that. My recovery between them seemed to be good, to the point that my strength continued to climb during the time off, while my weight dropped slightly. Basically, When I started the next 2 weeks on, I would still have about half of what I gained the previous time. About 6-7 weeks after my last one though, I had to do a second PCT because I basically crashed - decreased libido, loss of motivation to train, etc. I have a log on here somewhere…

Now. I don’t recall seeing your plan for the short cycle aside from taking superdrol, and this is my advice: short cycles CAN work, but you have to do several consecutively, and you have to use large quantities of AAS - I was pinning a blend of test p, mast p, and tren a ED for a total of over 1g per week. If you are adding drol to other stuff, then it might make a good addition - again, I have no experience with that particular hormone. If your intention is to take just drol, then I say bad plan because you won’t have enough stuff in your system to get anything worthwhile out of it, kind of like my 3 week run of OT: right about the time I started to really feel it, I was stopping.

EDIT: I went back and reread your original post, and no, that plan will be basically useles IMO, unless you are planning on eating drol like candy - which would probably be awesome for your liver. If you want to try 2/4’s, I would say go back and come up with a better plan along the lines of what I mentioned above. That is from my personal experience, and from that of the few people on here who have actually tried short cycles.[/quote]

Thank you for sharing your experience, i really appreciate it. finally one civilized person here.
I see your point, i need to have higher dosage. but since i cant go higher on superdrol if i increase testosterone suspension to 75mg/day (525mg/week)do you think it will work?

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all the plan was to avoid IM injections every other day, if i go for IM injections probably i will do full length cycle.
Do you have experience on blast and cruise? for exe. 8 weeks 500mgtest e/400tren e/300masteron , 4-5 weeks 200 mg of test only, 8 weeks full dosage again .

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^^^ Your a fucking idiot pure and simple. Guys please stop feeding this fuck and just let this thread die and force him out of here. He obviously has no fucking clue what he should be doing. He has flopped his story 3 times and now the idiot wants to consider B and C. Op please just go to bodybuilding.com you will fit in way better over there. People get flamed on other sites because it is a stupid idea. So when you make the same post you should have expected the same treatment.

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Someone should compile threads like this and link them everytime that silly Steroids Build More Muscle in Sedentary People study is posted.

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[quote]gabriel84 wrote:
The main reason of opening this thread was to maybe i can get any idea from bill robert(since i couldnt send a message) about using superdrol on his 2on/4off protocol and not listening to all you fucking idiots that jump to give opinions on everything else but not main question. and i kind of knew this is going to happen because same thing happens in other forums too , everytime someone ask about 2on/4off people with no clue go off topic.

i wanted to hear some opinion from people that actually tried superdrol in 2on/4off cycle too, and if you are not one of them shut the fuck up and dont give me crap.
And make me a favor and forget this thread and dont reply anymore, i had enaught opinions.
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superdrol is a horrible, toxic compound. i tried it twice… both times i had to stop my cycle because i felt ill. like going to the dr ill…

(i tried it twice, because i thought the first time was a fluke. it wasn’t.)

btw, if you want free advice on an anonymous forum and you don’t like what you hear, maybe don’t be a dick and argue with everybody. smile and nod…

just my .02.

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was in thailand recently and this guy in a kickboxing gym was living in did some 2 week on 3 week off repeat cycles x2

he front loaded with 400 test prop day 1
then 150ml day 2-11

nolva day 15 for 3 weeks 40 per day
training
10x10 brut force intensity
hit every muscle once every 3 days
diet 300+ grams of P
5 normal meals

this guy gained 14lbs in the 2 weeks then lost 8lbs while keeping 5lb of muslce
then next one he gained 12 n kept 4lbs after pct

4 weeks 9lbs of new muscle kept

he said he felt restless at night and he stopped making sperm but besides that he was normal and seemed fine like a normal guy.

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[quote]Judas wrote:
he stopped making sperm
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Here you go, OP.

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^^ lol ?

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[quote]gabriel84 wrote:
The main reason of opening this thread was to maybe i can get any idea from bill robert(since i couldnt send a message) about using superdrol on his 2on/4off protocol and not listening to all you fucking idiots that jump to give opinions on everything else but not main question. and i kind of knew this is going to happen because same thing happens in other forums too , everytime someone ask about 2on/4off people with no clue go off topic.

i wanted to hear some opinion from people that actually tried superdrol in 2on/4off cycle too, and if you are not one of them shut the fuck up and dont give me crap.
And make me a favor and forget this thread and dont reply anymore, i had enaught opinions.
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You’re a complete fucktard man!
I don’t condone people blasting newbie users but I seriously got frustrated reading your continued replies
You’ve been pretty lucky that no one blast you sooner

Sure, sure…blink, blink no one is telling you what you want to hear so you continue waiting to hear this new idea will work. It prob will work just NOT fOr YOU!
I’m one of those guys that hasn’t used Superdrol or these 2on / 4off protocols but I have a valid opinion based on simple logic…

Whatever YOU do will NOT work!!! People have given you solid advise (patiently I might add) but you dismiss it because it’s not what you want to hear
Why even ask other people their opinion? Just do the protocol and fail at that too and post another thread about trying something else because another tried, trued and tested regime doesn’t work for you specificalky for some odd reason

Something is missing in your training and diet and you will ALWAYS lose your little gainz you made on cycle…10lbs in 3months on those dosages? You should be packing on 20-25lbs
Slow test rebound? WTF are you talking about? 340-600+ (<-THAT’S NOT THE PROB)
Sorry man…you’re just looking at way too many reasons why you can’t gain properly and avoiding the real reason

NO ONE can help you my friend, so humble yourself by failing at this 2on/4off protocol and then the next one after. Then come back when you’re ready to listen
This is just my opinion but you should troll somewhere else. Find somewhere else where people will just tell you whatever you want to hear

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[quote]Judas wrote:
^^ lol ?[/quote]

Sorry bro, wasn’t taking a dig at your post lol. The OP was considering this protocol under the impression that there would be no suppression.

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he said he was shooting normal sperm after 5 days of last poke

not really a big deal

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Good God this thread is surreal.

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I buy my sperm wholesale

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[quote]Yogi wrote:
I buy my sperm wholesale[/quote]

i don’t know why, but i laughed my ass off at that… good stuff.

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[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:

[quote]gabriel84 wrote:
The main reason of opening this thread was to maybe i can get any idea from bill robert(since i couldnt send a message) about using superdrol on his 2on/4off protocol and not listening to all you fucking idiots that jump to give opinions on everything else but not main question. and i kind of knew this is going to happen because same thing happens in other forums too , everytime someone ask about 2on/4off people with no clue go off topic.

i wanted to hear some opinion from people that actually tried superdrol in 2on/4off cycle too, and if you are not one of them shut the fuck up and dont give me crap.
And make me a favor and forget this thread and dont reply anymore, i had enaught opinions.
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superdrol is a horrible, toxic compound. i tried it twice… both times i had to stop my cycle because i felt ill. like going to the dr ill…

(i tried it twice, because i thought the first time was a fluke. it wasn’t.)

btw, if you want free advice on an anonymous forum and you don’t like what you hear, maybe don’t be a dick and argue with everybody. smile and nod…

just my .02.[/quote]

i forgot about some of the pro-hormones that guys were using the last time i was over in Iraq… “Legal Gear,” now LG Sciences, was huge at the time. a lot of guys were using their Methy Masterdrol, which was basically Superdrol. and there were several guys that had issues with lactation (likely due to elevated prolactin) and gyno that needed surgery.

fortunately, none of my guys used that, basically because i was a dick about them blowing up and ruining their cardio. several had good results the Haladrol clones, though (pro-hormone version of Oral Turinibol). i later found out several guys used low dose Dianabol cycles pretty successfully, too.

anyway, Walkaway is right about getting gyno from Superdrol… while it shouldn’t aromatize, it causes issues through other mechanisms, prolly similar to how Anadrol 50 does.