So in a round about way Superdrol can lead to increased Estro even though not directly causing Gyno.
Ok let’s be logical here.
If i told you to gain 10lbs in 3 months without the use of steroids, could you do it?
How many Pizzas am I allowed to eat in one day and what is the limit on toppings?
[quote]Reed wrote:
How many Pizzas am I allowed to eat in one day and what is the limit on toppings?[/quote]
Lol. I have no doubt your bodyweight can fluctuate by 10lbs in ONE DAY with just a shitload of solid food and salt.
i can do it but probably 60% of it (if not more) is going to be fat
[quote]gabriel84 wrote:
i can do it but probably 60% of it (if not more) is going to be fat[/quote]
Ok. Although there are so many things wrong here, i won’t go into them.
But don’t you think that…
Logically…
it would make sense to gain try to gain 5lbs of lean mass with a bit of fat naturally that you can maintain rather than do cycle after cycle and keep losing everything?
That’s why i’m not doing 10 weeks cycle anymore instead im trying to find different cycles like 2on/4off or blast&cruise.
Also I have seen some people using dianabol one dose in the morning only for 2-4 weeks without shutting down their natural testosterone
Did anyone ever try it?
Another reason that kind of pushes me towards steroids is my right shoulder and elbow tendons which hurts like a bitch when training naturally and it stops me from progressive gains. during cycle i love how i feel when there is no pain at all in my body
I… i… don’t know what to say… it’s like… surreal man…
Also…
You have bad tendon/ joint pain and want to fucking use non-aromatising shit that will severely suppress estrogen???
I will never run a dht derivative without testosteronen
Anyway im thinking to give superdrol a try if I dont like it I will switch to dianabol for 2on/4off cycle
Gabriel84… I and the guys have been pretty nice and are trying to be patient with you but, I for one am about tired of you blanant fucking disrespect by not listening. I dont know if you are that fucking hard headed or just that fucking stupid. You have had about 6 of the most veteran posters on this board tell you that your fucking dumb ass idea is a dumb ass Idea.
If your not going to listen and atleast try to comprehend what is being said to you then just fucking leave these boards and dump what ever drug or drug you want, in what ever order, or fashion you want and continue to be " Why am I not growing?" for the next year. Dt79 has explained why what your doing is fucking stupid and you continue to just more or less change around your wording from dumb to dumber.
Please just do your self a favor and listen to those who know what they are talking about. You came to this forum for advice. If you were just going to do what ever you wanted and just throw the advice away then why the fuck even post here?
Reed, i dont give a fuck what you think, ok?
when i said every advise is appreciated i didnt mean that i will follow blindly your advice.
why? because you all give not complete advice
for ex. you say superdrol is toxic
but we all now that toxicity of a substance depends on dosage and length of time used.
you say 2on/4 off is a stupid idea basing on what proof? do you have blood works or long term study to support your opinion. you dont!
Bill Roberts came out with a study he did based on facts and real blood work tests and you say it is stupid idea just becouse you feel like it doesnt work.
what i learned from this thread is that i shouldnt go more that 20mg of superdrol, and 2 weeks with that dosage is not going to be a concern for the liver thank you for this advive thats all i got to say.
about the idea of training and fallowing a good diet naturally–
you dont think i tried it? for 4 years i tried it, tried everything and my body wasnt changing at all. i tried even different training protocols still nothing. when i didnt have anything to try anymore i decided to go for steroids, and they worked, they gave me size they gave me strength. the strength i was able to keep it but the size not. now i am trying different ways till i find the right one .
i know that in this journey we make mistakes, thats why i need your opinion to minimize my mistakes not to give up.
Your a fucking pathetic excuse of a fucking man. You need these drugs to make any fucking gains and the gains you have made and then fucking lost are god damn pathetic. If you can’t gain with out the fucking drugs you won’t keep shit after the drugs your a weak minded fuck who needs drugs to be average because you don’t know how to train or eat.
If you don’t care about my opinion then why the fuck did you come here asking for opinins. Go do what ever the fuck you what and continue to have nothing show for it. But don’t come fucking crying when in 6 months you still have nothing to show for it or proof to prove other wise. There is a reason the Bill Roberts cycles are not widely done and accepted and that ks because they are not as effective and produce less results. You can’t even produce optimal gains with other supposed steroid regiments so why the hell do you think this will be any better?
I know what you told us and what you told us and how you conduct your self when advice from those more knowledgeable than your self and much more successful in the field you are asking about proves you a fucking dumb ass and what you speak of your orgress and how just need these drugs to do any thing and lose it all when your off proves you are pathetic so I have enough evidence from your own words to make my accurate statements. If you don’t like the truth then go some where else.
Summary of thread:
OP: Somebody help, I need advice. Minimal details, etc.
Every experienced gearhead on this forum: Excellent advice given
OP: Fuck you guys, I don’t like what you say so I’m gonna do what I want anyway.
And newbies can’t figure out why they get shit on, hint: it’s cause you ask for help and then some very experienced and knowledgeable guys take the time from their busy schedule and give you excellent advice (for FREE) and you completely ignore it. If ou have no intention of listening, then don’t waste people’s time. Read the fucking stickies, they cover just about everything if you actually pay attention.
Lol. Reading this guy’s responses is like watching a collection of Bushisms.
Dude,
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While the effectiveness of 2 on 4 off and other protocols is debatable, the common consensus is that THE PROBLEM IS YOU.
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You said you can train naturally for 4 years with the right training and diet and still look the same, yet you claim you can gain 10lbs in 3 months although with a lot of fat. Which is the part where you are bullshitting?
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If you can gain 10lbs with 60 percent being fat in 3 months, surely you can gain 5-6lbs with 30 percent being fat in the same time frame. That would be good gains for a natty. You just don’t want to use any effort.
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Recovery from a cycle is highly individual. If you are so slow to recover from a normal cycle, what makes you think you will recover as fast as a normal person on Bill Robert’s or any other protocol? Common sense?
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If you have tendon/joint problems, go fucking rehab the damn problem with proper methods. Saying you like being on steroids because these problems go away is just fucking stupid.
The main reason of opening this thread was to maybe i can get any idea from bill robert(since i couldnt send a message) about using superdrol on his 2on/4off protocol and not listening to all you fucking idiots that jump to give opinions on everything else but not main question. and i kind of knew this is going to happen because same thing happens in other forums too , everytime someone ask about 2on/4off people with no clue go off topic.
i wanted to hear some opinion from people that actually tried superdrol in 2on/4off cycle too, and if you are not one of them shut the fuck up and dont give me crap.
And make me a favor and forget this thread and dont reply anymore, i had enaught opinions.
OK, I’ll bite.
I’ve never used Superdrol, but I did several 2-on/5-off cycles this past winter, and they work if you do them consecutive like that. My recovery between them seemed to be good, to the point that my strength continued to climb during the time off, while my weight dropped slightly. Basically, When I started the next 2 weeks on, I would still have about half of what I gained the previous time. About 6-7 weeks after my last one though, I had to do a second PCT because I basically crashed - decreased libido, loss of motivation to train, etc. I have a log on here somewhere…
Now. I don’t recall seeing your plan for the short cycle aside from taking superdrol, and this is my advice: short cycles CAN work, but you have to do several consecutively, and you have to use large quantities of AAS - I was pinning a blend of test p, mast p, and tren a ED for a total of over 1g per week. If you are adding drol to other stuff, then it might make a good addition - again, I have no experience with that particular hormone. If your intention is to take just drol, then I say bad plan because you won’t have enough stuff in your system to get anything worthwhile out of it, kind of like my 3 week run of OT: right about the time I started to really feel it, I was stopping.
EDIT: I went back and reread your original post, and no, that plan will be basically useles IMO, unless you are planning on eating drol like candy - which would probably be awesome for your liver. If you want to try 2/4’s, I would say go back and come up with a better plan along the lines of what I mentioned above. That is from my personal experience, and from that of the few people on here who have actually tried short cycles.
Wow. Experienced people from elsewhere told you the exact same things?
What a surprise.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
Wow. Experienced people from elsewhere told you the exact same things?
What a surprise.[/quote]
Not me you idiot.