'Only Whites Can Be Racist'

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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My two cents, These types of discussions need clearly defined terminology to avoid confusion, and even then it will get muddy. Racism is not the same as prejudice or bias. Are there common undertones, absolutely, but not exactly the same.

The following as defined by wikipedia:

Racism is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1] In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or get preferential treatment, while reverse racism favours members of a historically disadvantaged group at the expense of those of a historically advantaged group. Racial discrimination typically points out taxonomic differences between different groups of people, even though anybody can be racialised, independently of their somatic differences. According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination.

A prejudice is an implicitly held belief, often about a group of people. Race, economic class, gender or sex, ethnicity, sexual orientation, age and religion are other common subjects of prejudice. It can be used to characterize beliefs about other things as well, including “any unreasonable attitude that is unusually resistant to rational influence.”[1]

We all have prejudices, does not equal we are all racist. Are there inherent advantages to being white, maybe, but I haven’t seen them. Growing up in a poor coal mining town in appalachia, everyone was predominantly poor and white. Mostly uneducated. Does having educated parents who make more money give kids and advantage yes? Historically, have whites had more access to education and money? yes. Can you across the board say that it is advantageous to be white? NO. If you are white, if you don’t come from an educated or well funded background, where is the advantage? especially in the time of affirmative action. There will be the argument that you don’t have the prejudical baggage of being black, fair enough. There are also people who will preferrentially treat non-whites so as to avoid any appearance or chance of being labeled a racist. To a large degree, people will see what they want to.

Now do we all have prejudices, absolutely, but not always based on race. If you see a young black guy with pants down to his knees, tats on the arms, wife beater, chains around the neck etc looking like he is walking around the hood and he talks like and illiterate idiot, are you giving him a job as a banker, customer relations? anything? Probably not. On the same note, if I see some white dude in dirty jeans, sleeveless t-shirt of lynard skynard, unshaven, skoal can protruding from his pocket, also talking like an illiterate idiot, he will qualify for the same jobs as the previously mentioned thug. I can go on and on with stereotypes, but stereotypes become stereotypes because there is an element of truth to them, that is not to say they are entirely true.

Racism is almost a dead horse. If there is true injustice, fix it, and then move the hell on. Doesn’t mean everything will be fair. It never will be. I could cry a river about how other people are better looking than me (attractiveness has been shown to help with job seeking), or how people are more intelligent (but intelligent people still do a lot of dumbs stuff) or physically more gifted, etc, or I can do the best I can with what I have and be satisfied and content within myself and not to worry about whether or not someone gets a bigger piece of the american dream than I do.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Gregus wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
While I don’t agree with that, white privilege is real. As society progresses, it begins losing its power, but my generation and the ones before it certainly benefited from it.

I’m not saying that there’s anything that can be done to fix it, but to deny that it exists is foolhardy.

Noone benefited from nothing. For you to say that shows your political brainwashing. You should lash yourself 20 times to atone for the sins of your ancestors, then you can rest but still be a racist by the virtue of your skin.

It is not a sin to say that I benefited from something that a black man my age did not; it’s simply the truth.

A lot of white people’s grandparents went to college back in the 40’s. A lot of black folks back then weren’t even close to having that opportunity. Until the late 50’s, schools were segregated, and that absolutely set blacks back. There was nothing that guaranteed them the right to vote until 1964.

To say that these things didn’t have an affect on the present day is proving that you are, as usual, a babbling idiot when it comes to politics and history.

I didn’t benefit from anyone. My parents worked their fingers to the bone, wore salvation army clothing and bought used tires to keep junk cars running. EVERYONE has and has had it rough. We can thank the previous generations work that we can build on. But no matter what our family always strived for better and worked toward that goal through ANY adversity.

So you come from West Virginia. Congratulations.

But really, NOT everyone has had it rough. SOME people can thank previous generations- other people’s “previous generations” were lynched when they tried to vote and were shot for looking at white women wrong. How, exactly, is that similar to your upbringing, or to your problems?

Since its inception, this country has made a concerted effort to keep blacks in the lower class, whether it would like to admit it or not. That is, in the last 50 years, beginning to dissipate… but it takes longer than that for three hundred years of oppression to heal.

It’s that kind of mindset that builds futures. A mindset does not come from bitching about racism. Minorities which buy into racism are falling for the trap set for them.

Completely wrong. The mindset, spoken from a white man, about minorities needing to stop bitching about racism even though he has no idea what it’s like to be on the other side of the fence, is what puts this country back into the 1950s.

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I’ll just say that you insulting me was uncalled for. You can disagree with my argument but you don’t have to attack the arguer.

Like i said, Everyone had it rough. My parent came up from Poverty as im sure your parents or their parent did.

Your responses seem plagued with guilt perpetuated by PC. Yes black people had it hard. From the time their own leaders enslaved and sold people from their competing tribes, to slavery in the West till present day. But that is their struggle and they’ll have to overcome it. The Jewish people were almost exterminated from the face of this planet. They didn’t skip a beat.

My point is that regardless of what side of the fence i come from it does not change the truth of my words. The victim mindset if what prevents a future. Thats why it’s so crucially important to abandon that mentality. It’s like keeping a rape victim reminded EVERYDAY of the horror. It’s an effective way to keep a person from recovering and moving forward. So i don;t understand why you say that the idea of what i presented keeps the country in the 1950’s.

Then you say,

“Anyway, it is, like poverty, a vicious cycle that individuals must try and break. We’ve made many strides in the past half-century- I want to see them continue.”

You’re right. IT IS a struggle that every individual must take. So let them take it.

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[quote]Gregus wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Gregus wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
While I don’t agree with that, white privilege is real. As society progresses, it begins losing its power, but my generation and the ones before it certainly benefited from it.

I’m not saying that there’s anything that can be done to fix it, but to deny that it exists is foolhardy.

Noone benefited from nothing. For you to say that shows your political brainwashing. You should lash yourself 20 times to atone for the sins of your ancestors, then you can rest but still be a racist by the virtue of your skin.

It is not a sin to say that I benefited from something that a black man my age did not; it’s simply the truth.

A lot of white people’s grandparents went to college back in the 40’s. A lot of black folks back then weren’t even close to having that opportunity. Until the late 50’s, schools were segregated, and that absolutely set blacks back. There was nothing that guaranteed them the right to vote until 1964.

To say that these things didn’t have an affect on the present day is proving that you are, as usual, a babbling idiot when it comes to politics and history.

I didn’t benefit from anyone. My parents worked their fingers to the bone, wore salvation army clothing and bought used tires to keep junk cars running. EVERYONE has and has had it rough. We can thank the previous generations work that we can build on. But no matter what our family always strived for better and worked toward that goal through ANY adversity.

So you come from West Virginia. Congratulations.

But really, NOT everyone has had it rough. SOME people can thank previous generations- other people’s “previous generations” were lynched when they tried to vote and were shot for looking at white women wrong. How, exactly, is that similar to your upbringing, or to your problems?

Since its inception, this country has made a concerted effort to keep blacks in the lower class, whether it would like to admit it or not. That is, in the last 50 years, beginning to dissipate… but it takes longer than that for three hundred years of oppression to heal.

It’s that kind of mindset that builds futures. A mindset does not come from bitching about racism. Minorities which buy into racism are falling for the trap set for them.

Completely wrong. The mindset, spoken from a white man, about minorities needing to stop bitching about racism even though he has no idea what it’s like to be on the other side of the fence, is what puts this country back into the 1950s.

I’ll just say that you insulting me was uncalled for. You can disagree with my argument but you don’t have to attack the arguer.

Like i said, Everyone had it rough. My parent came up from Poverty as im sure your parents or their parent did.

Your responses seem plagued with guilt perpetuated by PC. Yes black people had it hard. From the time their own leaders enslaved and sold people from their competing tribes, to slavery in the West till present day. But that is their struggle and they’ll have to overcome it. The Jewish people were almost exterminated from the face of this planet. They didn’t skip a beat.

My point is that regardless of what side of the fence i come from it does not change the truth of my words. The victim mindset if what prevents a future. Thats why it’s so crucially important to abandon that mentality. It’s like keeping a rape victim reminded EVERYDAY of the horror. It’s an effective way to keep a person from recovering and moving forward. So i don;t understand why you say that the idea of what i presented keeps the country in the 1950’s.

Then you say,

“Anyway, it is, like poverty, a vicious cycle that individuals must try and break. We’ve made many strides in the past half-century- I want to see them continue.”

You’re right. IT IS a struggle that every individual must take. So let them take it.

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You’re right. Racism now is used to get something extra or to excuse behavior. Don’t get you’re way, must be racist. Someone doesn’t like you, they must be a racist asshole. Instead of you’re the asshole.

A year ago a black woman came in my office. she was so rude to the staff that I told her I was going to drop her case. she of course was upset because no one wanted to help her. She could miss appointments, be hostile, cry about her bills bu then tell you how she had allt he pay channels on tv and so on.

She fighting for worker’s compensation and was legitimately hurt, but her own attorney told me if her attitude didn’t change and she goers in from the judge like she is, she’ll lose. I’m still waiting to hear what happens, but if she loses, do you think she will say I must be an idiot with a bad attitude or will it be racism?

BTW, in 20 years of practice I threw THREE people out of my office. And by throw out it was you will not be treated here anymore.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I do not see how two tables are considered racist because they do not have black people or they do not have white people. That would be like saying that a neighborhood is racist because no black people, but maybe it’s because they live in the middle of Arizona in a town of a thousand and no black people want to live there.

The poster who said that he felt not welcomed at the table was most likely because they did not know, and put up their defenses. I do the same thing for lame ass white guys that seem shady, and I do the same thing for lame ass black people. Just because it’s school doesn’t mean that people do not want their circle to be private.

  • Brother[/quote]

As much as it pains me to say it, you are an idiot… I was there you moron, I know all of the people I’m talking about and your trying to say there was no racism involved in that situation?? Ok, let me clarify: I sat at a table of black people from the projects, Rochester New York, the worst parts of Mass, that had no interest in talking to a guy that appeared close to white.

They didn’t say “Lame ass”, they said “why’d you bring this nigger over here?” They were racist towards me, I was the only white kid at that table, and thats the way it was the whole year! Believe me, I give nobody the impression that I’m a “lame ass” whatever.

If someone never has the ability to step outside of their own race and communicate with new people, I don’t see how you can say there is no racism involved.

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racism= believing one’s ‘race’ is superior to another. just food for thought. why can’t we all just get along?

/end thread

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
Gregus wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Gregus wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
While I don’t agree with that, white privilege is real. As society progresses, it begins losing its power, but my generation and the ones before it certainly benefited from it.

I’m not saying that there’s anything that can be done to fix it, but to deny that it exists is foolhardy.

Noone benefited from nothing. For you to say that shows your political brainwashing. You should lash yourself 20 times to atone for the sins of your ancestors, then you can rest but still be a racist by the virtue of your skin.

It is not a sin to say that I benefited from something that a black man my age did not; it’s simply the truth.

A lot of white people’s grandparents went to college back in the 40’s. A lot of black folks back then weren’t even close to having that opportunity. Until the late 50’s, schools were segregated, and that absolutely set blacks back. There was nothing that guaranteed them the right to vote until 1964.

To say that these things didn’t have an affect on the present day is proving that you are, as usual, a babbling idiot when it comes to politics and history.

I didn’t benefit from anyone. My parents worked their fingers to the bone, wore salvation army clothing and bought used tires to keep junk cars running. EVERYONE has and has had it rough. We can thank the previous generations work that we can build on. But no matter what our family always strived for better and worked toward that goal through ANY adversity.

So you come from West Virginia. Congratulations.

But really, NOT everyone has had it rough. SOME people can thank previous generations- other people’s “previous generations” were lynched when they tried to vote and were shot for looking at white women wrong. How, exactly, is that similar to your upbringing, or to your problems?

Since its inception, this country has made a concerted effort to keep blacks in the lower class, whether it would like to admit it or not. That is, in the last 50 years, beginning to dissipate… but it takes longer than that for three hundred years of oppression to heal.

It’s that kind of mindset that builds futures. A mindset does not come from bitching about racism. Minorities which buy into racism are falling for the trap set for them.

Completely wrong. The mindset, spoken from a white man, about minorities needing to stop bitching about racism even though he has no idea what it’s like to be on the other side of the fence, is what puts this country back into the 1950s.

I’ll just say that you insulting me was uncalled for. You can disagree with my argument but you don’t have to attack the arguer.

Like i said, Everyone had it rough. My parent came up from Poverty as im sure your parents or their parent did.

Your responses seem plagued with guilt perpetuated by PC. Yes black people had it hard. From the time their own leaders enslaved and sold people from their competing tribes, to slavery in the West till present day. But that is their struggle and they’ll have to overcome it. The Jewish people were almost exterminated from the face of this planet. They didn’t skip a beat.

My point is that regardless of what side of the fence i come from it does not change the truth of my words. The victim mindset if what prevents a future. Thats why it’s so crucially important to abandon that mentality. It’s like keeping a rape victim reminded EVERYDAY of the horror. It’s an effective way to keep a person from recovering and moving forward. So i don;t understand why you say that the idea of what i presented keeps the country in the 1950’s.

Then you say,

“Anyway, it is, like poverty, a vicious cycle that individuals must try and break. We’ve made many strides in the past half-century- I want to see them continue.”

You’re right. IT IS a struggle that every individual must take. So let them take it.

You’re right. Racism now is used to get something extra or to excuse behavior. Don’t get you’re way, must be racist. Someone doesn’t like you, they must be a racist asshole. Instead of you’re the asshole.

A year ago a black woman came in my office. she was so rude to the staff that I told her I was going to drop her case. she of course was upset because no one wanted to help her. She could miss appointments, be hostile, cry about her bills bu then tell you how she had allt he pay channels on tv and so on.

She fighting for worker’s compensation and was legitimately hurt, but her own attorney told me if her attitude didn’t change and she goers in from the judge like she is, she’ll lose. I’m still waiting to hear what happens, but if she loses, do you think she will say I must be an idiot with a bad attitude or will it be racism?

BTW, in 20 years of practice I threw THREE people out of my office. And by throw out it was you will not be treated here anymore.[/quote]

We’ve had issues with a black member in our business. Shes is an Police officer to boot. Always sees racism everywhere. There was a point where she made actual scenes at the top of her lungs cursing people out and such. When we threatened to have her membership revoked she immediately stated, " do it and I’ll sue ". Ofcourse shes incapable of processing the fact that SHE is out of line. All she sees is discrimination.

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[quote]Therizza wrote:
racism= believing one’s ‘race’ is superior to another. just food for thought. why can’t we all just get along?

/end thread[/quote]

Some races did mange to be superior you know and they should not be apologizing for the success they worked out for themselves. Ultimately all races fight each other for domination, even today. You can relabel race for culture but it’s all the same.

I like (sarcasm) how many believe that if the White man wasn’t in charge and a black race was dominant or any other race for that matter things would be different. LOL. Whatever, the same stuff would have taken place but different people would have benefited. We have to accept human nature and personal responsibility.

For example we have a prominent member Prof x. He’s a success. Despite any feelings he might have toward whites, the important thing is that he moved up, moved forward and made it. He did it on his own cognition and will power. I like that, even though at times I bicker with him.

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Well then ‘culturalism’ or ‘racism’ is endemic to humanity, isn’t it? Russians hate Chechnyans, Korea doesn’t like Japan (maybe hates?), Tutsis don’t like Hutus( and they are of the same heritage). Indians hate Pakistanis. Hitler brainwashed a nation to hate Jews. Turks can’t even be FUCKING CITIZENS IN GERMANY…despite being the 3rd or more generation in that country, speaking perfect Deutsch.

Just some other examples around the world. The USA is leaps and bounds ahead of other nations, as well it should be. Not quite there yet, but these things take time. That’s why this country rocks. We can talk about this stuff, and you don’t have to worry about a deathsquad kicking in your door and executing you for speaking your piece!

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How about this: I watched a show yesterday where there were African-American women that were white instead of black. They said they put up with a lot of racism. One said her best friend initially didn’t want to be friends with her because she thought she was white, but the only racism they talked about was how white people treated them.

I would say she experienced the most from her black friend. I’ve taught in inner city schools for most of my adult life and found that racism definitely exists on all sides. There are teachers that write kids off because of their ethnicity, kids that say some of the most racist things then accuse white teachers of being racist, and minority teachers that will not associate with white teachers in the least.

Most recently when every teacher at my school was going gah gah over Obama’s inaguration saying how we had come so far to elect a black president I used it as an example to teach another lesson. While it’s good to see somebody other than a middle aged white guy get into office we will really have come a long way when the candidate’s ethnicity isn’t even an issue (i.e. a black guy can run for office and we don’t even have to mention that he is black.)

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Amazon.com Review
Anyone who’s been to a high school or college has noted how students of the same race seem to stick together. Beverly Daniel Tatum has noticed it too, and she doesn’t think it’s so bad. As she explains in this provocative, though not-altogether-convincing book, these students are in the process of establishing and affirming their racial identity. As Tatum sees it, blacks must secure a racial identity free of negative stereotypes. The challenge to whites, on which she expounds, is to give up the privilege that their skin color affords and to work actively to combat injustice in society. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
Gregus wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
My quick thought: You’re a racist if you exhibit harmful thoughts or actions against a person of another race, without treating them based on that individuals character. You’re also a racist if you don’t take the time to understand the cultures of the people you interact with. As you grow to understand the cultures of the world and the people that make them up, you’ll find yourself a more complete and understanding individual.

Not many people fulfill the first qualification, but too many people make up the second. Besides, i still see black and white tables in the caf, racism is still a major issue for blacks and whites alike.

Just because a table is all black or all white does not mean it’s because of racism. WTF? Why can;t people of the same color, black or white, gather together and enjoy that which brings them together with something in common.

Of course they can, don’t be ridiculous. But when someone NEVER goes outside of their comfortable boundaries, in this case a group table, their is obviously an underlying issue.

When I was invited to the table by a black/hispanic friend, the main man of the table ignored me and said to him “dude, why’d you bring his lame ass over here” or something like that. He judged me before I even spoke, and I could tell by the looks and stares at me that I was unwanted. I became friends with all of them later, after the black basketball players started a fight with the football team and I got involved. I think they found a way to respect me for my strength and unique personality that separated me from my ethnicity.

Why should that signify an underlying issue though? I don’t go places I’m not comfy in, regardless of what kind of uncomfortable population is at that place–could be hell’s angels, gangbangers, jocks, whatever. Don’t care.

By your logic I would have an “underlying issue” to address because I would never want to be at the table with a bunch of black guys in saggy jersey clothing with flat billed hats and heavy chains talking street slang. Well, I’d never want to be at a table with white people dressed in the same clothes and talking the same way either. I don’t have anything in common with them. I don’t want to talk about the things they want to talk about, I think speaking in absurdly improper english is stupid, and I think the sort of posturing and machismo that typically (necessary disclaimer–not always) goes with that crowd a huge pet peeve.

It has nothing to do with the color of skin, it has to do with culture, interests, and intelligence. You put a table of minority people together talking about books, or history, or science, and I’ll sit right down with them and go to town. But that never (necessary disclaimer: it does sometimes) happens does it? I have a few black guys and girls that come into my bar that I love to talk to–they are intelligent and they like to talk about things I like to talk about.

I’m not going to sit down at a table full of people I’m uncomfortable with. But that doesn’t mean I have some sort of “race superiority” complex. I just find stupid, posturing idiots, well…boring idiots.
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[quote]Therizza wrote:
Well then ‘culturalism’ or ‘racism’ is endemic to humanity, isn’t it? Russians hate Chechnyans, Korea doesn’t like Japan (maybe hates?), Tutsis don’t like Hutus( and they are of the same heritage). Indians hate Pakistanis. Hitler brainwashed a nation to hate Jews. Turks can’t even be FUCKING CITIZENS IN GERMANY…despite being the 3rd or more generation in that country, speaking perfect Deutsch.

Just some other examples around the world. The USA is leaps and bounds ahead of other nations, as well it should be. Not quite there yet, but these things take time. That’s why this country rocks. We can talk about this stuff, and you don’t have to worry about a deathsquad kicking in your door and executing you for speaking your piece![/quote]

Exactly. It’s all very human. but Hitler didn’t have to force anyone to hate the Jews. The Jewish people and the Germans were at a cultural war for decades before he came.

I feel we should not be integrated by force. People that want to integrate should be able to and those that don;t should be educated on the differences and helped to understand and embrace their differences. I feel that forced integration makes everyone feel like they are loosing their racial identity and that can cause some hostility between races as well.

In regards to the Turks issue in Germany, It’s their country and if they don;t want the workers being eligible for citizenship then that’s fine by me. They CAN go back you know. The Germans since the days of the Germanic tribes NEVER liked foreigners. They value their culture being undiluted and i support that. The Turks Breed like wildfire. They have overrun their Social medicine in Germany. They do to Germany what alot of immigrants do here. Work under the table, collect welfare and free housing. They also milk the shit out of Germany’s VERY VERY good social medicine and dentistry. They defraud the system on a massive scale and DO NOT want to integrate into the culture. They have a very salad bowl mentality.

So it can be looked upon as racism or whatever, but Each country can and should protect it’s native people First. I Applaud Germany. More countries should take a cue from those rebels.

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Aragorn wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
Gregus wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
My quick thought: You’re a racist if you exhibit harmful thoughts or actions against a person of another race, without treating them based on that individuals character. You’re also a racist if you don’t take the time to understand the cultures of the people you interact with. As you grow to understand the cultures of the world and the people that make them up, you’ll find yourself a more complete and understanding individual.

Not many people fulfill the first qualification, but too many people make up the second. Besides, i still see black and white tables in the caf, racism is still a major issue for blacks and whites alike.

Just because a table is all black or all white does not mean it’s because of racism. WTF? Why can;t people of the same color, black or white, gather together and enjoy that which brings them together with something in common.

Of course they can, don’t be ridiculous. But when someone NEVER goes outside of their comfortable boundaries, in this case a group table, their is obviously an underlying issue.

When I was invited to the table by a black/hispanic friend, the main man of the table ignored me and said to him “dude, why’d you bring his lame ass over here” or something like that. He judged me before I even spoke, and I could tell by the looks and stares at me that I was unwanted. I became friends with all of them later, after the black basketball players started a fight with the football team and I got involved. I think they found a way to respect me for my strength and unique personality that separated me from my ethnicity.

Why should that signify an underlying issue though? I don’t go places I’m not comfy in, regardless of what kind of uncomfortable population is at that place–could be hell’s angels, gangbangers, jocks, whatever. Don’t care.

By your logic I would have an “underlying issue” to address because I would never want to be at the table with a bunch of black guys in saggy jersey clothing with flat billed hats and heavy chains talking street slang. Well, I’d never want to be at a table with white people dressed in the same clothes and talking the same way either. I don’t have anything in common with them. I don’t want to talk about the things they want to talk about, I think speaking in absurdly improper english is stupid, and I think the sort of posturing and machismo that typically (necessary disclaimer–not always) goes with that crowd a huge pet peeve.

It has nothing to do with the color of skin, it has to do with culture, interests, and intelligence. You put a table of minority people together talking about books, or history, or science, and I’ll sit right down with them and go to town. But that never (necessary disclaimer: it does sometimes) happens does it? I have a few black guys and girls that come into my bar that I love to talk to–they are intelligent and they like to talk about things I like to talk about.

I’m not going to sit down at a table full of people I’m uncomfortable with. But that doesn’t mean I have some sort of “race superiority” complex. I just find stupid, posturing idiots, well…boring idiots.

Amazon.com Review
Anyone who’s been to a high school or college has noted how students of the same race seem to stick together. Beverly Daniel Tatum has noticed it too, and she doesn’t think it’s so bad. As she explains in this provocative, though not-altogether-convincing book, these students are in the process of establishing and affirming their racial identity. As Tatum sees it, blacks must secure a racial identity free of negative stereotypes. The challenge to whites, on which she expounds, is to give up the privilege that their skin color affords and to work actively to combat injustice in society. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

http://arockridgelife.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/why_are_all_the_black_kids_sitting_together_in_the_cafeteria1.jpg[/quote]

I agree with this but disagree with this imagined privileged. Saying white people have privilege is like saying all Jews have alot of money. A cool stereotype but far FAAAAAARRRRRR from the truth. BUT it is a convenient mentality for personal gain if you;re a minority.

IF i have any privilege it’s because i earned it OR got lucky. ILL NEVER give it up. I’ll pass it down to my Sons to give them a head start and be number 1. So it can be said my kids will be privileged. But this kind of privilege is available to ALL races of people. Just put in the time. It’s that simple.

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[quote]Therizza wrote:
Turks can’t even be FUCKING CITIZENS IN GERMANY…despite being the 3rd or more generation in that country, speaking perfect Deutsch.
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Nonsense.

Citizenship
How to become a German

German citizenship can only be applied for after a number of years. To become a German citizen, you generally have to be resident in Germany for 8 years and fulfill certain conditions.

In most cases, you have to fulfill most or all of the following conditions:

* a valid Aufenthaltserlaubnis or Aufenthaltsberechtigung residency permit
* legally resident in Germany for at least 8 years
* a livelihood-guarantee of you and your dependents without recourse to social welfare or unemployment benefits (exceptions are made for people under of 23 years)
* adequate knowledge of the German language
* on oath on the German Constitution
* you have to give up your former citizenship (although there are exceptions to this)

Spouses and children can often be naturalized even if they have not been living in Germany for 8 years. For spouses of German citizens the couple must be married for two years and the spouse resident in Germany for three years before the application can be made.

A brochure entitled Wie werde ich Deutscher (How can I become a German) gives advice on becoming a German citizen. It is available from the Beauftragten der Bundesregierung für Migration, Flüchtlinge und Integration and at www.einbuergerung.de.
Children: German Citizenship by Birth

German citizenship is determined by inheritance from parents and not by place of birth. Children with a German mother or father are automatically citizens at birth. But not all children born in Germany are automatically German, in fact, there are 100.000 non-German children born every year.

If both parents are foreigners then the child only gets German citizenship automatically from birth if one or more of the parents has been legally living in Germany for a period of 8 years and has a valid Aufenthaltsberechtigung or has had an unbefristete Aufenthaltserlaubnis for a period of three years. These children get German citizenship of as well as that of their parents and then have to choose which citizenship they wish to keep at the age of 18.

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O, they must have changed that when they got in the EU. Switzerland is still like that though, as far as I know they hate anyone not Swiss living there.

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[quote]Gregus wrote:

I’ll just say that you insulting me was uncalled for. You can disagree with my argument but you don’t have to attack the arguer.
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Sorry. Forgot that this was Bleeding Vagina Nation.

Some did, some didn’t. If I was you I wouldn’t make assumptions about anyone’s family.

There is no “guilt” here. I don’t have white guilt. But to acknowledge that white privelege exists is not an admission that I am guilty of anything.

Hard? That’s a bit of an understatement.

I love how you put that little piece in there about them being sold to competing tribes- trying to justify American slavery. Good job.

Ahhh ok. So a government can actively oppress a people for 300 years, but then when they begin getting rights, they are supposed to just completely forget history and sing kumbaya with everyone. I’m seeing where you’re coming from now.

Didn’t skip a beat? Really?

Funny, because I see Israeli Jews using the Holocaust as an excuse for any and all violence perpetrated on behalf of Israel, including the invasion of other nations. They also used it to legitimize to illegally create a country out of land that was lived in and owned by other people.

There are consequences to what happens in the past. You are delusional if you think otherwise.

But that time is not over. Blacks are not on equal footing with whites yet; they may be far closer than ever before, but every time a black man gets shot by the cops for holding a wallet or because he didn’t listen to undercover cops who didn’t provide ID, it will be a silent reminder that they are not the establishment.

My point is that it’s many times more difficult to break that cycle if you’re a black kid living in West Baltimore or North Philly than it is if you’re some white guy posting on a message board.

Your refusal to see how different backgrounds influence one’s point of view astounds me.

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[quote]Gregus wrote:

Exactly. It’s all very human.
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They said the same thing and used it as a justification for slavery. “There’s always been slaves, that’s humanity.” Bullshit. Doesn’t mean it’s right.

Bullshit again. Hitler took an economic crisis and a lost sense of national pride and pinned it on the Jews. And he did force people to hate the jews- a system of oppression that seperated them from regular Germans and then tortured and killed those who spoke out about it. How much more “force” do you need?

So we should still have segregated schools, huh?

Garbage. It is people knowing and becoming friends with people of other nationalities that kills racism at it’s core. Allowing segregation just perpetuates the failed system.

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So it can be looked upon as racism or whatever, but Each country can and should protect it’s native people First. I Applaud Germany. More countries should take a cue from those rebels. [/quote]

I can’t believe an American is saying that.

The land of the melting pot, the land that begged for the tired and poor, should be protecting its natives?

You’ve got fucking screws loose.

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[quote]Therizza wrote:
O, they must have changed that when they got in the EU. Switzerland is still like that though, as far as I know they hate anyone not Swiss living there.[/quote]

Maybe, but since a citizen of Switzerland can be Italian, French, German or Raetroroumanian they seem to be able to handle diversity quite well.

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Fighting Irish You ARE Americas… idiot. You clearly have some of those inbred genes from your island. They are affecting you with the Classic Irish Curse and Mental Instability. Case Closed.

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[quote]Gregus wrote:
I have no idea how to respond and cannot formulate and defend a valid argument on the politics forum.
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I agree.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Therizza wrote:
O, they must have changed that when they got in the EU. Switzerland is still like that though, as far as I know they hate anyone not Swiss living there.

Maybe, but since a citizen of Switzerland can be Italian, French, German or Raetroroumanian they seem to be able to handle diversity quite well.

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It’s easy to handle diversity if the people are of the same race. What i mean is that An Austrian of White German or French descent is easier to integrate and in fact it can be seamless then if you bring in Arabs.