[quote]DW wrote:
Toilet paper is repulsive. You’re just smearing around the poo when you wipe with it. Don’t kid yourself into thinking you’re getting clean. I’m glad that I live in a country where people wash their asses.
When faced with a toilet paper only facility wet the paper and apply a little soap if possible.You’re girlfriend/boyfriend will thank you.[/quote]
Who says we don’t wash our asses???
[quote]kroby wrote:
CELTIC-DEVIL wrote:
Hypocrite he may be, but the danger of Global warming is real. 90%+ of the worlds scientists agree that it’s a huge threat and we will face extinction if we dont do something pretty freakin soon…
WHAT? The past four volcanic eruptions have loosed more “greenhouse” gasses than all of human history.
so, you guys wanna go ahead and disagree with pretty much every respected scientist on the face of the earth, be my guest. You wanna pretend Global warming is not happening, go ahead.
It is happening. It has happened in the past. It was a lot warmer, globally, during the age(s) of the dinosaur. We will not become extinct with a warmer environment. Have you ever heard of adaptation? How about evolution? How about “environmental controls?”
You wanna stake the fate of the planet on the 10% chance that all the worlds scientists MIGHT be wrong, then go ahead. But in about 20-30 years we’re gonna REALLY start to see the effects. MAss hunger this is happening now, throughout Africa, floods in some places drought in others, many millions dead, hundreds of millions displaced and it’ll get FAR worse than that, believe me…in the coming hundred years the world is gonna be a very different place. No. This is happening now. In a hundred years, it will be common.
While all these thinkgs are happening now, if you think it cant get worse you are sorely mistaken. Think africa style drought for over 1 BILLION PEOPLE! Check out the latest UN report on the issue…they eay exactly that.
Yes, mass hunger is also happening now, but if you think it cant get worse, again, you are mistaken.
Hmmmm, we’ve a lot to look forard to it seems. Ignore it now and it’ll be too late to act. There is a point which we will pass where things become absolutley irreversible and unavoidable.
Irreversible? As the earth warms, the atmosphere will bear more vapor. With this increased humidity, the Sun will yet again increase the heat, elevating vapor levels. Hmmm, clouds will begin to blanket the atmosphere, thus blocking out the sun. Hmm, the earth will begin to cool, far past the point of no return and plunge the world into an Ice Age.
So it has been before our time, so it will be after.
Almost every single body set up on the issue would disagree with your implication that this is a natural phenomenon that we are not causing.
This is one Scientists view, after years of study on the impact of evolution throughout geologic time. These facts are near irrefutable. My proofs are much stronger than your end of the world theory.[/quote]
Exactly…this is ONE scientists view, The operative word being ONE!!! OKay, on the one hand you have ONE scientists view that this is an OK, natural phenomenon…on the other hand you have thousands of the worlds top scientists views, pretty much every single governement (USA included…they accept the problem is real but arent doing anything about it), every single enviornmental agency, the EU, IPCC,UN pretty much every single body set up to consider the issue saying the opposite.
Yet, you choose to believe this ONE scientist/theory in the face of TOTAL and OVERWHELMING evidence to the contrary.
Tell me, how in gods name do you figure your proofs are stronger than mine? I can point you to pretty much EVERY SINGLE major study done on the subject which support my theory and pretty much EVERY SINGLE body set up on the subject, and the conclusions of pretty much EVERY SINGLE enviornmental agency and government which also conclude that this is a serious, impending, man made problem.
And you say your proofs are stronger??? Not a chance.
I prefer to blast the poo with freon 12. Then it just freeze dries and flakes away.
Very tidy! 
Toilet paper, hahahahhaa. What a waste. just take your dog with you to the toilet and let it take care of wiping.
[quote]CELTIC-DEVIL wrote:
As for the second article you posted. It’s like I said, there are always “alternate theories”, and scientists who will not agree that Global warming is man made or even a problem. But the fact remains, the almost TOTAL body of the scientific community, the Almost TOTAL body of scientific report and almost EVERY SINGLE body set up on the issue agrees that global warming is a serious, impending and man made problem which needs to be dealt with VERY soon or it will be too late.
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Too late for what?
How does that man-made global warming work?
Not the theory, the facts?
What, there are none?
Volcanoes emmitt more CO2 than we do?
Brasil, India and China do not give a fuck, so whatever we do would not even make a dent in global warming IF a part of it is man made?
In the light of scarce resources would it not make sense to build dams a little higher and enjoy the sunshine?
What about the positive effects?
Are up to 50% higher yields because of more OC2 in the athmosphere a good thing given that a significant part of the world is starving?
Why cripple our economies if that might lead to a faster development of alternative energies?
What if we waste billions of taxpayers hard earned money on “alternative” energies and some genius comes up with cold fusion?
This is not a simple problem, truth is not determined by democratic vote and it all smells to much of “repent ye sinners or the sky is falling”.
[quote]CELTIC-DEVIL wrote:
I can point you to pretty much EVERY SINGLE major study done on the subject which support my theory and pretty much EVERY SINGLE body set up on the subject, and the conclusions of pretty much EVERY SINGLE enviornmental agency and government which also conclude that this is a serious, impending, man made problem.
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Cool.
Do that.
Show how CO2 cause global warming and keep in mind that correlation does not mean causation.
[quote]CELTIC-DEVIL wrote:
Hypocrite he may be, but the danger of Global warming is real. 90%+ of the worlds scientists agree that it’s a huge threat and we will face extinction if we dont do something pretty freakin soon…[/quote]
90%…? Wow, 90%.
For thousands of years millions of people believed the world was flat. That didn’t make it so.
[quote]CELTIC-DEVIL spouted about a ton of hot air about global warming, including the following line:
…we will face extinction if we dont do something pretty freakin soon.[/quote]
Good. Then maybe you’ll shut up.
[quote]orion wrote:
CELTIC-DEVIL wrote:
I can point you to pretty much EVERY SINGLE major study done on the subject which support my theory and pretty much EVERY SINGLE body set up on the subject, and the conclusions of pretty much EVERY SINGLE enviornmental agency and government which also conclude that this is a serious, impending, man made problem.
Cool.
Do that.
Show how CO2 cause global warming and keep in mind that correlation does not mean causation.
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Since a rise in atmospheric CO2 has usually followed a rise in global temperatures it is quite possible that global warming causes high atmospheric CO2.
Basically no one knows what the fuck is happening.
Those that are crying wolf the loudest seem to have a stake in trading carbon credits (Al Gore).
It is a shame it is so politicized now. It is impossible to discern the truth from the bullshit. You cannot trust scientists that have been paid a few thousand dollars by the oil companies. You cannot trust the IPCC because they have altered the scientists conclusions in every report they have issued.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
CELTIC-DEVIL spouted about a ton of hot air about global warming, including the following line:
…we will face extinction if we dont do something pretty freakin soon.
Good. Then maybe you’ll shut up.[/quote]
We will face extinction no matter what. It’s just a matter of time, unless we can colinate space and other planets that have our needed resources. However, that is not in the near future.
This puts Boston’s avatar in a whole new perspective.
[quote]orion wrote:
CELTIC-DEVIL wrote:
As for the second article you posted. It’s like I said, there are always “alternate theories”, and scientists who will not agree that Global warming is man made or even a problem. But the fact remains, the almost TOTAL body of the scientific community, the Almost TOTAL body of scientific report and almost EVERY SINGLE body set up on the issue agrees that global warming is a serious, impending and man made problem which needs to be dealt with VERY soon or it will be too late.
Too late for what?
Too late in the sense that much damage will become irreversible…if it goes past a certain point, further decline becomes inevitable.
How does that man-made global warming work?
find that out for yourself.I’m not here to give you a science lesson. It would take too long The info is easily accessible if you want to look.
Not the theory, the facts?
What, there are none?
Yes, there are plenty of facts…there are already global changes in temperature, changes in currents, different migratory patterns etc etc etc. I could go on and on but it would take up my entire day.
Volcanoes emmitt more CO2 than we do?
I have no idea. I’m not an expert and I never siad I was. you people seem to think I am able to refute every single scenario and fact you throw at me. I am not. But what I can tell you is what I aleready have…the OVERWHELMING BODY of scinetific opinion and findings, EU, every body set up on the issue, every government supports the science, the facts, and the conclusions.
Brasil, India and China do not give a fuck, so whatever we do would not even make a dent in global warming IF a part of it is man made?
Well, that does not mean we should not try. It’s the fate of the planet so it’s worth making an effort. THey CERTAINLY wont comply if the developed countries continue to ignore the problem…what kind of example would that give. It will be a difficult task, but it is possible.
In the light of scarce resources would it not make sense to build dams a little higher and enjoy the sunshine?
Global warming involves more than merely holding off floods. I’m honestly not going to explain the entire spectre of global warming…it would take days. THe info you seek is easily accessible of you just look.
What about the positive effects?
Are up to 50% higher yields because of more OC2 in the athmosphere a good thing given that a significant part of the world is starving?
Yields are largley limited to already developed countries. Poorer countries are suffering more. Their situation will continue to get evern worse. Drought will, in the future, hit many agricultural areas in all countries and make farming very difficult, even with proper irrigation systems.
Why cripple our economies if that might lead to a faster development of alternative energies?
Who say we have to cripple our economies?? That is not neccesarily true, I believe. IT WILL involve a restructuring of econmies. Several scandinavian countries are well on their way to running almost entirely on alternative energies. Just becuase it is not convenient it does not mean it should not be done.
What if we waste billions of taxpayers hard earned money on “alternative” energies and some genius comes up with cold fusion?
What if…what if , what if.
This is not a simple problem, truth is not determined by democratic vote and it all smells to much of “repent ye sinners or the sky is falling”.
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Never said it was a simple problem. Nobody says it is…but almost everyone who has authority on the subject agrees it is a real and serious one.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
CELTIC-DEVIL wrote:
I can point you to pretty much EVERY SINGLE major study done on the subject which support my theory and pretty much EVERY SINGLE body set up on the subject, and the conclusions of pretty much EVERY SINGLE enviornmental agency and government which also conclude that this is a serious, impending, man made problem.
Cool.
Do that.
Show how CO2 cause global warming and keep in mind that correlation does not mean causation.
Since a rise in atmospheric CO2 has usually followed a rise in global temperatures it is quite possible that global warming causes high atmospheric CO2.
Basically no one knows what the fuck is happening.
Those that are crying wolf the loudest seem to have a stake in trading carbon credits (Al Gore).
It is a shame it is so politicized now. It is impossible to discern the truth from the bullshit. You cannot trust scientists that have been paid a few thousand dollars by the oil companies. You cannot trust the IPCC because they have altered the scientists conclusions in every report they have issued.[/quote]
NOt sure what allegations you are referring to.
In any case, I do not believe this is a politicized issue for the believers in global warming.
That would mean almost every single body set up, pretty musch every government, the EU, pentagon etc etc etc, all had a political reason to support the idea of global warming. Not very likely IMO.
What possible reason could president bush have to accept the science of the IPCC report?? WHat reason does he have to accept Global warming as a problem. Fact is, it is extremely inconventient for him to accept the science behind global warming but yet he has done so…doesnt that tell you anything?? He has no benefit in agreeing to the rpoblem of global warming.
Same goes for the EU & pretty much every government. It would be FAR easier for them to continue relying on fossil fuels and not choose to restructure their economies or cause conflict with oil rich countries. So why do they choose recognize the problem?? Because it is obviously and clearly real!!
Russia for example, has HUGE oil reserves which MASSIVELY support its economy. Yet, they recognize the problem. They have no monetary benefit in doing so.
FOr the record, Al GOre was giving speeches and warnings on global warming LONG LONG before the Kyoto protocol or the idea of carbon credits was ever envisaged.
[quote]BigRagoo wrote:
Again, the total body of science does not back that up. Many of the minds you are talking about also can accept that this is another natural cycle. Just because the government has people saying it is so, doesn’t mean it’s gospel. I thought you were smarter than that.
Are we making the cycle more viscious? Probably. Would a massive heating cylce happen even if we weren’t so industrial? Certainly. There have been numerous extictions over the planets life. That’s how this planet works. We will not be here forever. Just accept that and move on.[/quote]
I accept there a differing opinions…but I absolutley disagree with you. As I’ve said, pretty musch every single body set up, scientist (governmental & independant), almost every study (governmental & independant) agrees this is a man made problem. I am not aware of any major studies (or any studies to be honest) that support the idea that this is “natural”. Pretty much all point to the opposite.
What monetary benefit would most governements have in regognising the problem?? Russia recognises the problem…and they have HUGE reserves of oil. Recognising the problem hinders their ability to rely on that oil as a means of capital. Cynice will say russia supports the idea because they sell a lot of carbon credits to other countries…but the amount of money they gain from carbon credits pales in comparison to the amount of money they earn off oil.
[quote]orion wrote:
CELTIC-DEVIL wrote:
I can point you to pretty much EVERY SINGLE major study done on the subject which support my theory and pretty much EVERY SINGLE body set up on the subject, and the conclusions of pretty much EVERY SINGLE enviornmental agency and government which also conclude that this is a serious, impending, man made problem.
Cool.
Do that.
Show how CO2 cause global warming and keep in mind that correlation does not mean causation.
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I’m not going to facilitate your laziness just because you dont wanna bother looking up the data. It is right there for you to access…try google for a start. I’ve already pointed you to several sources of independant information.
All the information is freely available. If I were to sit here and explain the entire process of global warming to you it would take hours…and besides, I am no expert. WHat I AM doing is explaining how the MASSIVE BODY of evidence concludes exactly what I have said. You act like I’m such a crackpot but why, then, do all the afoementioned sources agree with me when you guys can not point to a single significant source of information on the subjecet which supports your views. All you guys have done is give me your own opinions and scepticism and the views of, at most, a tiny tiny minority of scientists.
you should check it out yourself. Check out the information of almost every single study, governemnt findings, scientific bodys, EU, IPCC, …then get the studies and governemntal findings etc backing up your theory.
Then come back and tell me where the overwhelming body of evidence lies.
I’ve cited numerous places where you can access the information on this universally accepted problem. You have not done the same.
[quote]CELTIC-DEVIL wrote:
orion wrote:
CELTIC-DEVIL wrote:
I can point you to pretty much EVERY SINGLE major study done on the subject which support my theory and pretty much EVERY SINGLE body set up on the subject, and the conclusions of pretty much EVERY SINGLE enviornmental agency and government which also conclude that this is a serious, impending, man made problem.
Cool.
Do that.
Show how CO2 cause global warming and keep in mind that correlation does not mean causation.
I’m not going to facilitate your laziness just because you dont wanna bother looking up the data. It is right there for you to access…try google for a start. I’ve already pointed you to several sources of independant information.
All the information is freely available. If I were to sit here and explain the entire process of global warming to you it would take hours…and besides, I am no expert. WHat I AM doing is explaining how the MASSIVE BODY of evidence concludes exactly what I have said. You act like I’m such a crackpot but why, then, do all the afoementioned sources agree with me when you guys can not point to a single significant source of information on the subjecet which supports your views. All you guys have done is give me your own opinions and scepticism and the views of, at most, a tiny tiny minority of scientists.
you should check it out yourself. Check out the information of almost every single study, governemnt findings, scientific bodys, EU, IPCC, …then get the studies and governemntal findings etc backing up your theory.
Then come back and tell me where the overwhelming body of evidence lies.
I’ve cited numerous places where you can access the information on this universally accepted problem. You have not done the same.
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You made the offer, Einstein. Now you are calling Orion lazy because he takes you up on your offer?
You’re the one that smells of laziness.
How much work does it take to blame man for Global Warming? Not very fucking much.
Al Gore is a hypocritical piece of dog shit, and invalidates himself every time he opens his mouth.
This one sheet per session dill hole is not much better, what with her 3 big rig, 4 bus caravan.
Is there global warming? Probably. But your pseudo scientists were the same dumbasses that were predicting a second ice-age not 30 years ago. For them to blame man is laziness.
And please tell me how a 30K electricity bill, and one sheet of fucking toilet paper will make a shit’s worth of difference in the big picture.
[quote]CELTIC-DEVIL wrote:
I accept there a differing opinions…but I absolutley disagree with you. As I’ve said, pretty musch every single body set up, scientist (governmental & independant), almost every study (governmental & independant) agrees this is a man made problem. I am not aware of any major studies (or any studies to be honest) that support the idea that this is “natural”. Pretty much all point to the opposite.
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Hey Einstein, it was said that the major greenhouse gas(in the form of methane) releasing source on the planet were bovines.
We did not create the problem, we only add to the severity, get it? How many times to I have to say that if we were not in existance, the planet would still heat up and melt ice caps and cause floods, etc.
How about you extend your research a little more and see what the geologist suggest happened in the history of our world. You’ll be surprised to learn that the planet has had many ice ages as well as heat waves. Our little blip of history has not contributed as much of climate change so much as the way our planet yaws in orbit.
The man made problem is the fact that we have been terrible at refining waste disposal. Yes, our fossil fuel using machinery spews pollution in the air. Yes, we need to find a better source of energy. But to think that we have that much impact on something that has withstood billions of years of violent volcanic erutions and catasrophic meteor impacts is short sighted.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
CELTIC-DEVIL wrote:
orion wrote:
CELTIC-DEVIL wrote:
I can point you to pretty much EVERY SINGLE major study done on the subject which support my theory and pretty much EVERY SINGLE body set up on the subject, and the conclusions of pretty much EVERY SINGLE enviornmental agency and government which also conclude that this is a serious, impending, man made problem.
Cool.
Do that.
Show how CO2 cause global warming and keep in mind that correlation does not mean causation.
I’m not going to facilitate your laziness just because you dont wanna bother looking up the data. It is right there for you to access…try google for a start. I’ve already pointed you to several sources of independant information.
All the information is freely available. If I were to sit here and explain the entire process of global warming to you it would take hours…and besides, I am no expert. WHat I AM doing is explaining how the MASSIVE BODY of evidence concludes exactly what I have said. You act like I’m such a crackpot but why, then, do all the afoementioned sources agree with me when you guys can not point to a single significant source of information on the subjecet which supports your views. All you guys have done is give me your own opinions and scepticism and the views of, at most, a tiny tiny minority of scientists.
you should check it out yourself. Check out the information of almost every single study, governemnt findings, scientific bodys, EU, IPCC, …then get the studies and governemntal findings etc backing up your theory.
Then come back and tell me where the overwhelming body of evidence lies.
I’ve cited numerous places where you can access the information on this universally accepted problem. You have not done the same.
You made the offer, Einstein. Now you are calling Orion lazy because he takes you up on your offer?
You’re the one that smells of laziness.
How much work does it take to blame man for Global Warming? Not very fucking much.
Al Gore is a hypocritical piece of dog shit, and invalidates himself every time he opens his mouth.
This one sheet per session dill hole is not much better, what with her 3 big rig, 4 bus caravan.
Is there global warming? Probably. But your pseudo scientists were the same dumbasses that were predicting a second ice-age not 30 years ago. For them to blame man is laziness.
And please tell me how a 30K electricity bill, and one sheet of fucking toilet paper will make a shit’s worth of difference in the big picture.
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Whats with the aggressive post man??
Okay maybe I used a bad choice of words calling orion lazy…it kind of sounds bad and I apologise for a unsuitable choice of words…but he is basically asking me to provide him with every single published study on the subject because he doesn’t want ot access the information. I never meant to sound insulting, but I am not gonna sit here for hours upon hours citing studies which would take only minutes for anyone here to look up.
I’m sorry it sounded like I was offering to cite every study… I wasnt doing that. I never said I was going to provide those studies…I was pointing to them. You can freely check them out. Type IPCC into google. Check out the latest UN reports on the issue. REad up about Kyoto etc etc etc. It would be a little too much to expect me to serve this information to everyone here. How am I lazy?? Bacuase I dont wanna spend the next 18 hours regurgitating thousands of studies to you guys when you cal all easily access the info yourselves??
Also, theres no point calling me “einstein”. I’ve already told you guys I’m no expert. I’m merely reflecting what the overwhelming body of scientific opinion is clearly presented. These are not MY conclusions.
As for a 30k electriciy bill and one sheet of toilet paper, I’ve already stated that this is a little ridiculous in my previous posts.
YOu call my scientists “pseudo scientisis”. Well, these “pseudo-scientisits” happen to be the ones who have carried out almost every single significant study into the subject, staff almost every single enviornmental agency, are advisors to almost every single governemnt, the EU, WHITE HOUSE, PENTAGON, IPCC, UN etc etc etc…the list goes on and on. Are you seriously saying that these guys are “pseudo scientists”??? What scientists are backing up your theories?? NOBODY has yet pointed me to a single significant source of evidence/conclusions supporting your views. I have pointed to several (IPCC, UN etc etc).
Consistently people on this thread are bashing what all of these people are telling them…but nobody yet has given me a valid source of info to the contrary…only the individual views of a few scientists. Not one single significant study or report.
the scientisits with the most merit (ie. all the ones mentioned above) are saying what I’m saying.
[quote]CELTIC-DEVIL wrote:
… Russia recognises the problem…and they have HUGE reserves of oil. Recognising the problem hinders their ability to rely on that oil as a means of capital. Cynice will say russia supports the idea because they sell a lot of carbon credits to other countries…but the amount of money they gain from carbon credits pales in comparison to the amount of money they earn off oil.
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Russian scientists are among the skeptics. You are not very well versed on the subject.
I suggest you read some differing opinions.
[quote]CELTIC-DEVIL wrote:
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NOt sure what allegations you are referring to.
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No allegations. Truth. The IPCC is run by the UN. They get a bunch of scientists around the world to look at the issue. They collect data and submit a report.
The UN then doctors the reports conclusions, makes it heavy on doom and gloom and issues it. The press then discusses the doom and gloom “conclusion” written by the UN politicians and ignores the report written by the scientists themselves.
I can give you a quick summary if you would like.
There is no scientific consensus. Nobody know what is going on. Some scientists claim this is a natural cycle. Some claim it is a manmade problem. Some say it is a combination. Some say we are entering a cooling cycle.
Some say warming will benefit humanity. Some say it will be harmful. Some say it is a total non-issue and they do not want to waste their lives working on it so they move on to other things.