One Punch, One Kill

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Manslaughter is appropriate. I’ve been in my share of barfights and I’ve seen a lot of stupid shit from sucker punches to attempted murder. This was not an attempted murder. It’s unfortunate when ANYONE dies that doesn’t have it coming to them, but people have been dying for stupid shit since the dawn of humanity. Who knows what was said? There’s plenty of people out there writing checks with their mouth that their body can’t cash and talkin’ shit out of the side of their neck. You say that shit in the wrong environment to the wrong person then you’re going to get hit - plain and simple (most men know this). Just because he USED to box doesn’t mean anything - he looks like a fat fuck who’s out of shape. You don’t have to be a trained fighter to knock someone out. TRUST ME. And that’s all that happened. It was the landing that was unfortunate. Was it a dick move? I don’t know, I wasn’t there, maybe the guy had it coming (the punch, not dying). I’ll tell you right now that I’ve thrown the first punch plenty of times when I felt it was warranted on someone pulling my card. I think the “moral outrage” expressed is a little over the top. Shit happens. If you don’t want to get punched, don’t get so drunk and out of control that you get kicked out of a bar and continue the conversation. It’s sad that he died. It is. But this is just a clear example of boys being boys. Manslaughter is appropriate. Six years is appropriate (he’ll probably serve only two or three). But to crucify this guy for doing something that MOST of us could/would do given the same circumstances and alcohol is kinda hypocritical.

Who here has done something when they were drunk that they regretted? I’ll be the FIRST to raise my hand…

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This is rare, but we’re going to have to disagree. I say bullshit.

Hitting first when threatened with potential physical violence is entirely appropriate.

Hitting someone first that is defenseless is bullshit and a punk move. And I don’t give a fuck what he said with the exception of a specific threat that he was about to carry out.

And fat fuck or not, he knew how to deliver a punch. We can both see that…this was not some wild haymaker drunk bar punch.

He punched a defenseless man who had no idea it was coming. I don’t care what check he may not may not have been writing. It was bullshit. If it were my relative, he wouldn’t be making it out of prison. Bank that. [/quote]

You’re right, we don’t disagree very often! LOL I agree that it’s bullshit, and that the manslaughter conviction was appropriate - I said that twice. The POINT I was making is that people do dumb shit when they’re drunk. Do you believe that he intended to kill the guy? I don’t. It was a bar fight gone bad.

Have you ever been sucker punched? I’m sure you have. I know I have. I didn’t hunt the guy down. People do dumb shit when they’re drunk.

On the flip side, have you ever hit someone first? I know I have. Did he die? Nope. I’ve been doing martial arts since I was 8. I have a third degree blackbelt in Shotokan. Should I be charged with attempted murder? What about the ex-military guys? They have all kinds of training, should they never get in a fight?

People fight. Shit happens. SOMEONE has to throw the first punch. Who know what that guy said. We weren’t there. All I’m saying is that I’ve been in plenty of situations where I’ve hit first or have been hit when I didn’t have my hands up. Usually my MOUTH was the reason!

He got the manslaughter charge. I said it was appropriate. What is there to disagree with? You and I BOTH know it ain’t a perfect world. Shit happens.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
But to crucify this guy for doing something that MOST of us could/would do given the same circumstances and alcohol is kinda hypocritical.

Who here has done something when they were drunk that they regretted? I’ll be the FIRST to raise my hand…
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First time I didn’t even make it this far.

More bullshit my man. Pure bullshit.

I don’t think most of us go around cold cocking anyone. For those that do, they are fucking cowards. So there is nothing hypocritical about being outraged. The motherfucker snuck him. Getting drunk and doing regretful things is one thing, sucker punching is another. If sucker punching is part of your weekend or repertoire, I say bullshit.

Motherfucker cold cock me will come up missing in a year or so.

And by the way, there is nothing in that report that suggests those two had any words inside the establishment. Fat boy suckered a defenseless man. He’s a cowardly fucking cocksucker. I hope they rent his asshole for cigarettes.

It’s one thing to be out there like we were and chalk it up to being “in the game”. In the game, no one is innocent and “shit happens” is an entirely appropriate outlook. This shit aint in the game my man. I dare say you’re confused. [/quote]

Again, I agree with the manslaughter charge. My point is that people do dumb shit when they’re drunk and that it isn’t just black and white.

And FTR, I DON’T go around cold cocking people - I’m 36 years old. But did I mix it up in my teens and 20’s? Yup.

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the video was cool.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
Legally? Well it depends on who your lawyer is, the state or the country it happens in an who seen what.

I read that people stated the kids hands were in his pocket. Looking at the tape it seems that one hand was up an the other was at his side. So I’m not sure who to believe. It seems that there was a problem at the Pub an the kid an his group was asked to leave. The guy that knocked him out followed so maybe they had words inside we will never know.

It’s sad the kid died. Booze an shit talking go hand in hand no one should die over it.

EDIT: Looking at the video on a big screen you can see the guy putting his hands on the kids shoulders. And the kids hands were down at his side. So it was a sucker punch. [/quote]

So go ahead and continue defending a sucker punch. As if you had a problem with someone then sucker punched them it was justified. Fucking stupid. Real fucking stupid. I swear to fucking god, “men” are an endangered species in this world. A man does not sucker punch anyone. And a man doesn’t fucking defend a coward. Let that cowardly motherfucker get the broomstick in his ass for the next 6 years. Piece of shit.[/quote]

Continue Defending? There is no Defending a Sucker punch thats why its called a SUCKER Punch. I first watched the video on my iphone, when I moved to a big screen I seen the kid was standing with his hands down, the guy kept putting his hands on the kids shoulder some words where exchanged and BAM he Sucker punched the kid.

What I’m not going to do is talk like this guy was a Demon, A Devil or Rare. This shit happens all the time. AND that is what is sad. People walk into a place and look for the thug in the group and forget everyone else. I have seen a guy start off quiet and after a couple hours turn into a thug. I’m saying that the only thing to learn from this is you can’t let your guard down. Not just physically but mentally. No matter how much time the guy gets It will never bring back that kids life. And even if this guy dies it will not bring the kid back to his family.

The only thing that can come from something like this is how it could have been prevented. Let the lawyers and the courts and the people we put into office work on the laws. Kids, MEN, Women need to know there surrounding better. A jackass is going to be a jackass can’t really control that and when one falls there will always be 20 to replace him. I see no need to worry about this guy or how much jail time. I would rather talk about how a person can avoid being in a spot like that.

You seen the tape the only thing good that can come from this is how can people see this and know that know matter how much security a place has or how many cops are in the area YOU are your best defense. This type of shit happens all the time and it will continue to happen you can’t stop the assholes of the world with Jail, death becuase they can’t be stoped only outlast.

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When you are of legal drinking age and chose to do so, the responsibility is yours and yours alone for your actions under the influence. Therefor “drunk and stupid shit” doesn’t cut it. Either control yourself or accept the consequences of your actions

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
did he only get six years for killing someone?[/quote]

He plead down to manslaughter.[/quote]

No he did not plead down. In Britain they have a one blow manslaughter rule. If you only land one solid blow and it causes death they say there is no way you could have intended to kill your victim so the death is unintentional. Unintentional death is not murder it is only manslaughter. The mentality of the British is fucked up.

There are numerous cases like this over there. A couple of months ago an arsonist who set fire to an apartment building killing two 18 year olds was sentenced to 6 years. They said it was only manslaughter as there was no way he could have known people would die in the fire he started.

They had another one I posted in PWI a while back where a man trying to get off a bus to avoid a confrontation was punched and fell on his head. His attacker got two years.

What makes all these sentences even more pathetic is in Britain they have automatic sentence reduction even for killers, so all those sentences will be cut in half.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

You’re right, we don’t disagree very often! LOL I agree that it’s bullshit, and that the manslaughter conviction was appropriate - I said that twice. The POINT I was making is that people do dumb shit when they’re drunk. Do you believe that he intended to kill the guy? I don’t. It was a bar fight gone bad.

Have you ever been sucker punched? I’m sure you have. I know I have. I didn’t hunt the guy down. People do dumb shit when they’re drunk.

On the flip side, have you ever hit someone first? I know I have. Did he die? Nope. I’ve been doing martial arts since I was 8. I have a third degree blackbelt in Shotokan. Should I be charged with attempted murder? What about the ex-military guys? They have all kinds of training, should they never get in a fight?

People fight. Shit happens. SOMEONE has to throw the first punch. Who know what that guy said. We weren’t there. All I’m saying is that I’ve been in plenty of situations where I’ve hit first or have been hit when I didn’t have my hands up. Usually my MOUTH was the reason!

He got the manslaughter charge. I said it was appropriate. What is there to disagree with? You and I BOTH know it ain’t a perfect world. Shit happens.[/quote]

I’m afraid we still disagree.

It doesn’t matter whether he intended to kill the guy. You cold cock someone with the ability to knock them out and they fall hit head, they can die or be seriously injured. It happens enough that it’s a real risk. And AC, c’mon, that was not a “bar fight gone bad”. That was a bully that attacked a guy not expecting it. Please don’t try to disguise it. It was a cowardly bullshit attack.

I’ve been sucker punched and there were always consequences and repercussions :slight_smile:

Yes, I’ve hit someone first. But you’re confusing a “mutual fight” with an outright, no warning, cowardly attack. This was NOT a fight. It was an attack. Don’t try to disguise it. If you’re making it clear to me we’re going to engage, I’ll hit you first. Fair enough. That does not apply here. There was nothing about that guy’s body language indicative of his intent or willingness to engage. Period.

Nope, it’s not a perfect world. It’s filled with fucking cowards like this cunt. Like I said, he did that to one of mine, he don’t finish his time. Seriously AC, you’re confusing a mutual fight with this cowardly attack. I’m surprised.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

Again, I agree with the manslaughter charge. My point is that people do dumb shit when they’re drunk and that it isn’t just black and white.

And FTR, I DON’T go around cold cocking people - I’m 36 years old. But did I mix it up in my teens and 20’s? Yup.[/quote]

I mixed it up as much as anyone still alive trust and believe. I didn’t sneak someone not looking for trouble though.

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[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
When you are of legal drinking age and chose to do so, the responsibility is yours and yours alone for your actions under the influence. Therefor “drunk and stupid shit” doesn’t cut it. Either control yourself or accept the consequences of your actions[/quote]

This.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

You’re right, we don’t disagree very often! LOL I agree that it’s bullshit, and that the manslaughter conviction was appropriate - I said that twice. The POINT I was making is that people do dumb shit when they’re drunk. Do you believe that he intended to kill the guy? I don’t. It was a bar fight gone bad.

Have you ever been sucker punched? I’m sure you have. I know I have. I didn’t hunt the guy down. People do dumb shit when they’re drunk.

On the flip side, have you ever hit someone first? I know I have. Did he die? Nope. I’ve been doing martial arts since I was 8. I have a third degree blackbelt in Shotokan. Should I be charged with attempted murder? What about the ex-military guys? They have all kinds of training, should they never get in a fight?

People fight. Shit happens. SOMEONE has to throw the first punch. Who know what that guy said. We weren’t there. All I’m saying is that I’ve been in plenty of situations where I’ve hit first or have been hit when I didn’t have my hands up. Usually my MOUTH was the reason!

He got the manslaughter charge. I said it was appropriate. What is there to disagree with? You and I BOTH know it ain’t a perfect world. Shit happens.[/quote]

I’m afraid we still disagree.

It doesn’t matter whether he intended to kill the guy. You cold cock someone with the ability to knock them out and they fall hit head, they can die or be seriously injured. It happens enough that it’s a real risk. And AC, c’mon, that was not a “bar fight gone bad”. That was a bully that attacked a guy not expecting it. Please don’t try to disguise it. It was a cowardly bullshit attack.

I’ve been sucker punched and there were always consequences and repercussions :slight_smile:

Yes, I’ve hit someone first. But you’re confusing a “mutual fight” with an outright, no warning, cowardly attack. This was NOT a fight. It was an attack. Don’t try to disguise it. If you’re making it clear to me we’re going to engage, I’ll hit you first. Fair enough. That does not apply here. There was nothing about that guy’s body language indicative of his intent or willingness to engage. Period.

Nope, it’s not a perfect world. It’s filled with fucking cowards like this cunt. Like I said, he did that to one of mine, he don’t finish his time. Seriously AC, you’re confusing a mutual fight with this cowardly attack. I’m surprised.
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Alright, you made me watch the video during the playoffs! HAPPY?! :slight_smile: You’re right. That was bullshit. I was looking at the surface and briefly reading the article.

After actually watching it, we are in complete agreement. It’s just that most of the time, I would have been right and people are usually making a mountain out of a molehill.

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[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
The term would be fair if he did 6 years.

He’ll be out in about 3, I bet. If he was drunk and there were a few of them acting up looking like they were gonna smash him, then yeah… I’d have hit one of them sucker punch style and ran off. He had the luxary of stepping into that group of people to get a better shot off, where he could get a good clean punch through. Sets his feet quite nicely.

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In the article it says that he got 6 plus 3 years probabtion, so I believe that means he must at least finish his term.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

Alright, you made me watch the video during the playoffs! HAPPY?! :slight_smile: You’re right. That was bullshit. I was looking at the surface and briefly reading the article.

After actually watching it, we are in complete agreement. It’s just that most of the time, I would have been right and people are usually making a mountain out of a molehill.[/quote]

LOL Go Eagles.

And I knew it wasn’t possible for us to disagree.

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He won’t have a problem defending himself in jail with his “killer punch”. Heck maybe they will make a movie about the jail making a tv show about fighting to get out and if you win 5 times you’re set free…wait what?

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

Alright, you made me watch the video during the playoffs! HAPPY?! :slight_smile: You’re right. That was bullshit. I was looking at the surface and briefly reading the article.

After actually watching it, we are in complete agreement. It’s just that most of the time, I would have been right and people are usually making a mountain out of a molehill.[/quote]

LOL Go Eagles.

And I knew it wasn’t possible for us to disagree.[/quote]

True dat. Ahem… Uhhh sorry 'bout your Eagle… Three less mistakes and they would have won. But my Ravens are gonna kick some Steelers ASS next week! LOL

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[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
did he only get six years for killing someone?[/quote]

He plead down to manslaughter.[/quote]

No he did not plead down. In Britain they have a one blow manslaughter rule. If you only land one solid blow and it causes death they say there is no way you could have intended to kill your victim so the death is unintentional. Unintentional death is not murder it is only manslaughter. The mentality of the British is fucked up.

There are numerous cases like this over there. A couple of months ago an arsonist who set fire to an apartment building killing two 18 year olds was sentenced to 6 years. They said it was only manslaughter as there was no way he could have known people would die in the fire he started.

They had another one I posted in PWI a while back where a man trying to get off a bus to avoid a confrontation was punched and fell on his head. His attacker got two years.

What makes all these sentences even more pathetic is in Britain they have automatic sentence reduction even for killers, so all those sentences will be cut in half. [/quote]

I googled but need help…what’s “automatic sentence reduction”? Sounds fucked up.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Hyena wrote:
This is bullshit. This guy is a victim of circumstance. I don’t know if you guys read the whole thing, but the guy didn’t die because of the punch. He got punched in the face, fell backward and bounced his head off the pavement. This guy had no intention of killing anyone. Yeah, it was a cheap shot, and the guy is a little bitch, but he doesn’t deserve 6 years of hard time for it.

The judge was also a complete idiot. He said ‘the statement that ‘I have a killer punch’ denotes that you have some idea of your punching power’. Too dumb to realize that it wasn’t the punch that killed him. You think he had some murderous intention because he bragged about his punching power in a bar? Are you serious?

In closing: Was this guy a douche? Yes. Should he have punched a defenseless drunk for no reason? No. Does he deserve 6 years in prison? I don’t think so.[/quote]

YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR COCKSUCKING MOTHERFUCKING MIND. GO FUCKING DIE.

Are you fucking serious? This cowardly piece of fucking shit cold cocks someone that is not defending himself, causing his death, and you say “shit happens”. I HOPE THE FUCKING SHIT HAPPENS TO YOU.

This is far more common that you think. It is NOT okay to just cold cock someone…people die. And you and anyone that thinks like you is a fucking stupid idiot that doesn’t deserve to walk among decent society. He took a life you fucking idiot. 6 years is nothing. He’s fucking lucky he’s not doing longer.

Fucking dumbass.
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Exactly, it might not be murder one, but you’re going away for a long time if you do this to someone.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

Alright, you made me watch the video during the playoffs! HAPPY?! :slight_smile: You’re right. That was bullshit. I was looking at the surface and briefly reading the article.

After actually watching it, we are in complete agreement. It’s just that most of the time, I would have been right and people are usually making a mountain out of a molehill.[/quote]

LOL Go Eagles.

And I knew it wasn’t possible for us to disagree.[/quote]

True dat. Ahem… Uhhh sorry 'bout your Eagle… Three less mistakes and they would have won. But my Ravens are gonna kick some Steelers ASS next week! LOL[/quote]

Unbelievable. Story of the season - inconsistency. That was a winnable game. Wow.

Alright, I’ll root for another bird. Go Ravens. LOL

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Has Hyena bothered to come back and defend his bullshit claim? Or did he slink away in shame like the scavenger that hyenas are.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tyrant wrote:

[quote]Hyena wrote:
This is bullshit. This guy is a victim of circumstance. I don’t know if you guys read the whole thing, but the guy didn’t die because of the punch. He got punched in the face, fell backward and bounced his head off the pavement. This guy had no intention of killing anyone. Yeah, it was a cheap shot, and the guy is a little bitch, but he doesn’t deserve 6 years of hard time for it.

The judge was also a complete idiot. He said ‘the statement that ‘I have a killer punch’ denotes that you have some idea of your punching power’. Too dumb to realize that it wasn’t the punch that killed him. You think he had some murderous intention because he bragged about his punching power in a bar? Are you serious?

In closing: Was this guy a douche? Yes. Should he have punched a defenseless drunk for no reason? No. Does he deserve 6 years in prison? I don’t think so.[/quote]

Yeah you’re right, he totally doesn’t deserve prison. I’ma head to rob a bank right now, if the police pursue me I’ll probably shoot at them. I’m not trying to kill them, but just want them to discontinue pursuit, if one dies, I’m totally not liable for murder or anything…

This isn’t the first, second, or third instance of something like this happening, if you punch someone on a sidewalk and they get KOed, they are going to smash their head into the ground, every time. Everyone should know this. That was murder through and through, he should get much more then 6 years.
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I don’t think anyone thinks if I punch this guy, he’ll bounce his head off the concrete and sustain fatal injuries.[/quote]

Happens far too often. It’s the reason I don’t go around punching people I would fucking LOVE to punch. It’s the reason I tell ever idiot bouncer the same thing. [/quote]

I know, I do the same thing, however…people don’t go around thinking that if they have never gotten in a fight outside of a boxing ring…or some never at all.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Happens far too often. It’s the reason I don’t go around punching people I would fucking LOVE to punch. It’s the reason I tell ever idiot bouncer the same thing. [/quote]

I know, I do the same thing, however…people don’t go around thinking that if they have never gotten in a fight outside of a boxing ring…or some never at all.[/quote]

People live in la la land. I fully expect if I hit you that you’re going to fall. If you fall, there is no control HOW you will fall, and that’s the problem.