One Marine Takes on Cops with His Words

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[quote]dabit al-nufs wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]dabit al-nufs wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
If video cameras existed in the 18th century, and that vid was of John Adams spouting off after the Boston Massacre, you’d all be calling him a hero. [/quote]

John Adams took a lot of heat from the patriots because he volunteered to be the defending lawyer for redcoats responsible for firing into a crowd of civilians. [/quote]

Actually no, Adams was offered the case because no one else would take it and he took it because of his “firm belief that no man in a free country should be denied the right to counsel and a fair trial.”

Additionally, he “incurre(d) a clamor and popular suspicions and prejudices” for performing “one of the most gallant, generous, manly and disinterested actions of (his) whole life.” And the previous year Adams defended four American sailors charged with killing a British naval officer and secured their aquittal.

As to the actual “massacre”…ahem…I think you should probably look into the details a bit more. However it’s besides the point. John Adams was a patriot of the utmost personal integrity. (PWI rant over)[/quote]

You just confirmed what I wrote. [/quote]

You say “volunteered,” I said “offered.” And “fir(ing) into a crowd of civilians,” is not a fair or accurate description of the event.

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[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]Evolv wrote:
I am tired of this Occupy[insert destination] stuff. EVERY video I’ve seen of it reminds me of a bunch of teenagers arguing with their parents. [/quote]

with one difference … said teenagers have a higher probability of forming a coherent and clear goal[/quote]

Like this guy?

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[quote]trueblue316 wrote:

[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
I bet he had the same thing screamed at him more than once while he was deployed. [/quote]

Haha most meaningful comment in the whole thread. Guy in the video has no grace. Real hero’s don’t point attention to themselves or what they “may” have done[/quote]

^^^this.

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[quote]KAS wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]Evolv wrote:
I am tired of this Occupy[insert destination] stuff. EVERY video I’ve seen of it reminds me of a bunch of teenagers arguing with their parents. [/quote]

with one difference … said teenagers have a higher probability of forming a coherent and clear goal[/quote]

Like this guy?

[/quote]
haha, exactly, thanks for posting that. I haven’t seen that one.

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^ Good talk, guys. Good talk.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Some armies actually uniforms that were not that far away from your picture. [/quote]

You mean like this?
(Austrian Hussars)

EDIT: Actually the one on the right is a cuirrasier[/quote]

Precisely.

Did you notice the white thingy exactly across their heart?

That worked well.

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[quote]Evolv wrote:

[quote]KAS wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]Evolv wrote:
I am tired of this Occupy[insert destination] stuff. EVERY video I’ve seen of it reminds me of a bunch of teenagers arguing with their parents. [/quote]

with one difference … said teenagers have a higher probability of forming a coherent and clear goal[/quote]

Like this guy?

[/quote]
haha, exactly, thanks for posting that. I haven’t seen that one.[/quote]

In the Spanish ones (the first actually, they are the origin, the 15-M movement) some parties infiltrated guys to demolish the movement from inside, like, giving fake interviews, spreading false rumors (we all smoke weed here), etc.

Example :

You won’t understand, but sometimes the girls even tells him what to say.

My point is, I wouldn’t make an example of one person because there are chances that he’s an idiot or a fake protester.

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When you look at this from the marines point of view, you can understand why he is quite irate. The very people he is trying to protect while he is out risking his life for are getting beat up on.

The wars, the dire financial situation and other socioeconomic issues we are facing need to be somehow addressed, it’s ugly and probably most of us can’t be bothered to be involved or deal with it, but demonstrations can’t be suffocated and ignored, we need to discuss the issues and resolve them…saying go away and shut the fuck up won’t get rid of the problems!

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[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]Evolv wrote:

[quote]KAS wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]Evolv wrote:
I am tired of this Occupy[insert destination] stuff. EVERY video I’ve seen of it reminds me of a bunch of teenagers arguing with their parents. [/quote]

with one difference … said teenagers have a higher probability of forming a coherent and clear goal[/quote]

Like this guy?

[/quote]
haha, exactly, thanks for posting that. I haven’t seen that one.[/quote]

In the Spanish ones (the first actually, they are the origin, the 15-M movement) some parties infiltrated guys to demolish the movement from inside, like, giving fake interviews, spreading false rumors (we all smoke weed here), etc.

Example :

You won’t understand, but sometimes the girls even tells him what to say.

My point is, I wouldn’t make an example of one person because there are chances that he’s an idiot or a fake protester.
[/quote]
I agree with that. That YouTube channel, NROVideos DOES have multiple interviews with people with horrible basis on why they are there. With that said, you can go to Tea Party interviews and the exact same thing is going on. An interviewer chooses his own sample to display a preconcieved notion of the type of people there. Just like a bad statistic.

However, even in the NYPD beats innocent people type videos (Pro-OccupyWallstreet, Anon, the 99%, etc.), it still looks ludacris to me. Looking at the majority of those videos, I see a wide majority of teenagers/college aged protestors. The way it comes across to me is that people are provoking negativity. Multiple people wearing the V for Vendetta masks, shouting, and making a big deal out of minute things (regards to things happening on the street, not Wall Street/Gov’t.).

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So why was he yelling?
Because they were standing around in riot gear to protect private property of other citizens. and to ensure orderly conduct in a public arena.

and how do we know he was actually a marine? I can get a uniform with some pins too and say I am whatever. But even if he was, doesn’t mean he walks on water.

He looks like he needs a hug.

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[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]trueblue316 wrote:

[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
I bet he had the same thing screamed at him more than once while he was deployed. [/quote]

Haha most meaningful comment in the whole thread. Guy in the video has no grace. Real hero’s don’t point attention to themselves or what they “may” have done[/quote]

^^^this.[/quote]

nor do they walk around disgracing the uniform with it unbuttoned and an unshaved face, real nice

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]trueblue316 wrote:

[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
I bet he had the same thing screamed at him more than once while he was deployed. [/quote]

Haha most meaningful comment in the whole thread. Guy in the video has no grace. Real hero’s don’t point attention to themselves or what they “may” have done[/quote]

^^^this.[/quote]

nor do they walk around disgracing the uniform with it unbuttoned and an unshaved face, real nice
[/quote]

I was thinking this too. He was completely out of uniform. As far as the no shave thing goes, he very well could have had a no shave chit… He is black lol (more likely he’s on leave and just let it grow)

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He couldn’t actually wear his uniform to the protest because DoD Directive 1325.6 forbids it.

This video should have been posted in the “Attention Whore” thread.

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[quote]Evolv wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]Evolv wrote:

[quote]KAS wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]Evolv wrote:
I am tired of this Occupy[insert destination] stuff. EVERY video I’ve seen of it reminds me of a bunch of teenagers arguing with their parents. [/quote]

with one difference … said teenagers have a higher probability of forming a coherent and clear goal[/quote]

Like this guy?

[/quote]
haha, exactly, thanks for posting that. I haven’t seen that one.[/quote]

In the Spanish ones (the first actually, they are the origin, the 15-M movement) some parties infiltrated guys to demolish the movement from inside, like, giving fake interviews, spreading false rumors (we all smoke weed here), etc.

Example :

You won’t understand, but sometimes the girls even tells him what to say.

My point is, I wouldn’t make an example of one person because there are chances that he’s an idiot or a fake protester.
[/quote]
I agree with that. That YouTube channel, NROVideos DOES have multiple interviews with people with horrible basis on why they are there. With that said, you can go to Tea Party interviews and the exact same thing is going on. An interviewer chooses his own sample to display a preconcieved notion of the type of people there. Just like a bad statistic.

However, even in the NYPD beats innocent people type videos (Pro-OccupyWallstreet, Anon, the 99%, etc.), it still looks ludacris to me. Looking at the majority of those videos, I see a wide majority of teenagers/college aged protestors. The way it comes across to me is that people are provoking negativity. Multiple people wearing the V for Vendetta masks, shouting, and making a big deal out of minute things (regards to things happening on the street, not Wall Street/Gov’t.).[/quote]

Very true. I’m a LEO and have been involved in Policing a number of protests. While I’m no longer the guy in riot gear, I do work in an Intel role. One thing that is very clear, is the fact that most of these protests are organized by the same people. Professional protesters if you like. The rest of the crowds are usually clueless students who have never worked a day in their lives, people on long term welfare, or idiots hoping to start some looting.

Regardless of whether they have a genuine point or not, It’s hard to take these people seriously

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[quote]squating_bear wrote:

[quote]KAS wrote:

[quote]squating_bear wrote:

I don’t know exactly what violence they did here, but they looked guilty and ashamed on their faces.

I don’t think its because of anything they did, but more about what they were getting ready to do… I don’t really know though.

But you guys really haven’t noticed what’s been happening to our freedom of assembly over the past decade or so? Why do they gear up for war every time there is a peaceful protest?[/quote]

I can’t tell if you’re serious or not. Guilty and ashamed about what they were getting ready to do?

You prepare for the worst. It has nothing to do with freedom of assembly. They have an obligation to protect the public and their property. Maybe their crystal ball was broken that day and they weren’t sure how the protest was going to turn out.[/quote]

So you haven’t noticed.

And yes I was serious. At one point in the video the police presence was greater than the protesters. Why?

Guilty was the wrong word. Ashamed wasn’t. I could see it on there faces. And of course not all of them, most of them acted like they couldn’t see or hear him
[/quote]
You can’t possibly be serious…

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[quote]squating_bear wrote:
So you haven’t noticed.

And yes I was serious. At one point in the video the police presence was greater than the protesters. Why?[/quote]
I would like to know the same thing. It is obvious that this video is a comprehensive documentary and not some random clip of cops milling around. If a group of protestors left then cops should immediately leave and maintain a certain ratio.

[quote]
Guilty was the wrong word. Ashamed wasn’t. I could see it on there faces. And of course not all of them, most of them acted like they couldn’t see or hear him[/quote]
What is this Minority Report? You can “see shame” and they were “getting ready to do something.”

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^^^^^^

The reason there are more, then more officers, is to provide a better blanket of security. All footage I have seen has shown people getting way out of hand and police simply doing their job. Why in the hell should there be a 1:1 ratio of cops to civilians? That makes absoultely no sense. If you have a drunk guy, you don’t have one officer to one intoxicated person. You have 6 officers and one drunk guy simply for superiority and control. The cops are there for the same idea, to keep SOME of these idiots from making stupid mistakes.

They are stoned face, and acting like they can’t hear him to not provoke him. That is EXACTLY what most of these protestors want, to provoke an officer into doing or saying something to get them in trouble. All of those officers have done exactly the right thing-- to shut up and do their job.

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[quote]overstand wrote:
Self righteous asshole imo. As I understand it, the theme of this protest is anti-corporate power. Their motto is “We are the 99%”.

Last time I checked, cops aren’t raking in millions every year in salary. They’re wearing riot gear because people in groups do stupid things. The rioters in England a few months back didn’t have guns either, but that didn’t stop them from totally fucking shit up. Guys are just following orders they had no part in giving.

Plus, does he realize who he’s preaching to? A bunch of fucking NYC cops. Some of them probably rushed into the WTC on 9/11. Most of them probably know a fellow cop who was killed.

Everybody is going to praise this guy like he said something great just because he’s a Marine and he served in Iraq. All gratitude to him for that, but otherwise he can shut the fuck up. [/quote]

The are peaceful and cops were busting heads

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What an embarrassment to the American army. The fact that he is going to the protest wearing uniform just screams massive twat and attention seeker, also a security risk.

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[quote]Meni69 wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:
Self righteous asshole imo. As I understand it, the theme of this protest is anti-corporate power. Their motto is “We are the 99%”.

Last time I checked, cops aren’t raking in millions every year in salary. They’re wearing riot gear because people in groups do stupid things. The rioters in England a few months back didn’t have guns either, but that didn’t stop them from totally fucking shit up. Guys are just following orders they had no part in giving.

Plus, does he realize who he’s preaching to? A bunch of fucking NYC cops. Some of them probably rushed into the WTC on 9/11. Most of them probably know a fellow cop who was killed.

Everybody is going to praise this guy like he said something great just because he’s a Marine and he served in Iraq. All gratitude to him for that, but otherwise he can shut the fuck up. [/quote]

The are peaceful and cops were busting heads[/quote]

My eyesight must be bad. Where abouts in the video are the NYPD ‘busting heads?’ What part should I jump to in the video to see that?