One Hundred People Versus a Bear?

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[quote]Smitty88 wrote:
hockechamp14 wrote:
Ok, people mentioned if you could choose ANY 100 people. Well I’d take 25 red berets, 25 marines, 25 seals, 24 MMA fighters, and Donald Brashear. More likely than not, they would have an easy time with the task, even weaponless. They’d identify weak points of the bear, break it’s legs, and then it’s neck. They’d need like 10 guys to do that, nevermind a 100.

LOL…tell me how the hell your mma fighters or whoever are going to break a bears legs?

Have any of you, suggesting that the bear would lose ever been in the wild and seen a grizzly?

We are talking about a grizzly bear here not some fat guy who happens to weigh 1,500 pounds. That bear we are talking about is pure “athlete” and killer. He can run faster than the fastest human on earth. Do you have any idea how much power a 1,500 pound bear who can sprint 30 miles per hour can generate? And as far as ferocity…he will kill without even thinking about it.

Each of it’s claws are as long as a mans finger. One or two swipes toward your charging group of marines by that bears arm and about half of them are incapacitated.

Trying to kick at it’s leg would be as foolish as trying to kick the side of a building. Make that a moving building!

And to the nut who said that the bear could be picked up, I want to know what that guy is smoking.

That bear would be on pure attack mode. Thrashing and moving so fast and powerfully that this supposed fight would be over in a short period of time.

Seriously people I know most of you are probably teens or in your 20’s and are clueless regarding wildlife, but at least do some reading.

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Finally someone with at least a shred of common sense. Kick a bear, arm bar the bear, choke out the bear, pick at its ears, put a finger in its nostril, and my favorite, pick up the bear. Have any on you actually seen how big these things are?

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[quote]m0dd3r wrote:
While I’ve never had a chance to meet a grizzly or kodiak, I have had a couple of run ins with black bears in upstate NY, and northern New England. They’re cute until you get within 15 or 20 feet of em and you suddenly realize that everything is now on his terms and it’s really no longer up to you what happens. Thankfully I’ve always been lucky and nothing’s happened, but I don’t like to think about what could have been if the bear had been pissed off or really hungry (or with it’s cubs).

That being said, I still think a lot of people are overestimating a bear’s ability to deal with a total onslaught of people. Being attacked by 100 of anything is going to overwhelm most creatures. Think about it, could you swat away 100 angry hornets? or mosquitos even? all at once? no, you couldn’t. And the size difference between you and a bug is a lot bigger than that between a bear and a man.

Either way, I think I’d rather take on a bear than a full grown bull moose (talking about bears in Maine got me thinking about it). We had one wander into our campsite once when I was in scouts. Thing was like 7 feet high at the fucking shoulder with a rack of antlers probably another 3 or 4 feet high. It didn’t bother us much, just sorta looked around and wandered off. But damn was it ever impressive. They may not have the claws and teeth of a bear, but with hooves the size of my face and antlers I could string a hammock on, I think they’d have a better chance of fighting off an onslaught of men (being able to kick behind, and rear and gore in front they’d have more angles covered at once). Hell, forget the 100 men, I’d like to see a 1500lb bear take on a 1500lb bull moose. Now that’d be a farking fight to see.[/quote]

HAhahahahaahha

a moose…ahahah. Did you know that black bears even eat moose. Grizzly bears are the largerst carnivore and routinly eat moose. You have got to be kidding me. And yes, moose can be big, but bears are made to eat meat, not grass. Thats like saying lets but a cow and a lion together. the cow is bigger than the lion. BTW, have you seen the legs on a moose as compared to the legs of a grizzly. seriously though

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[quote]grew7 wrote:
The claws and teeth aren’t made of magic and held together by pixie dust. They’re made out of bone. After crunching and tearing through a few people, the bear’s claws and teeth are bound to break, leaving it defenseless. You’d probably have like seventy people left to kill it.[/quote]

Are you serious or joking?

What pray tell is going to break the teeth and bones of an animal that can kill a bull is one swipe? If I call two feet i can break a leg.

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[quote]Ashes wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
Okay, the bear may die, but this thread never will.

D

This thread has become a battle ground between human ingenuity and collective strength versus the wild beast. IMHO it stands to reason that the humans would triumph as long as they worked together… isnt that how we rose to the top of the tree in the first place?

Are there any surviving records of battles between humans and savage animals in the Colosseum during Roman times? Maybe that would give us some idea as to the outcome of this argument?
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Ashes, well this is really is fun and I don’t think taken too seriously by all of us, I will say this. The great equalizer man has is his brain. Up until the time he reasoned to make weapons like someone else said he hid from these beasts and often times was eaten by them.

One man with a spear has a chance albeit a slim one against a bear of this size. The spear being the edge that may keep him alive if he has the opportunity to strike a fatal blow. Although the odds are still in the bears favor. Now multiply that to be ten men with spears and the odds go up against the bear.

But, again in a situation where men have no weapons and in a hypothetical situation where the bear felt threatened or was wounded and enraged men with no weapons wouldn’t stand a chance. Again this is what I understood a flat inclosed area comparable to a football field with no escape. Think the Roman Coliseum except no weapons for the men as first outlined. Give one man a knife and I then think they would have a chance.

100 men isn’t a cohesive entity like a wall. They wouldn’t be able to smother the bear and they don’t have natural weapons like teeth or nails that would cause any considerable damage. And to kill bear you would need to penetrate to the vital organs to kill it.

I am done,

D

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Summary of every far fetched solution by posters:
"OK, humans wouldn’t definitely win. Get a hundred people to fart at the bear and build up a giant cloud of sulfur, which is poisoness and the bear chokes. If that doesn’t work, distract the bear by doing the shoe laces are untied trick then kick him in the shins. We all know how painful getting kicked in the shins is right?

Reality
everybody dies in a giant mash of human body parts, the bear eats what he wants, buries some more then hibernates.

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[quote]baretta wrote:
grew7 wrote:
The claws and teeth aren’t made of magic and held together by pixie dust. They’re made out of bone. After crunching and tearing through a few people, the bear’s claws and teeth are bound to break, leaving it defenseless. You’d probably have like seventy people left to kill it.

Are you serious or joking?

What pray tell is going to break the teeth and bones of an animal that can kill a bull is one swipe? If I call two feet i can break a leg.[/quote]

What do you think of the metal implements? (see top thread on this page)

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[quote]Dedicated wrote:
Ashes wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
Okay, the bear may die, but this thread never will.

D

This thread has become a battle ground between human ingenuity and collective strength versus the wild beast. IMHO it stands to reason that the humans would triumph as long as they worked together… isnt that how we rose to the top of the tree in the first place?

Are there any surviving records of battles between humans and savage animals in the Colosseum during Roman times? Maybe that would give us some idea as to the outcome of this argument?

Ashes, well this is really is fun and I don’t think taken too seriously by all of us, I will say this. The great equalizer man has is his brain. Up until the time he reasoned to make weapons like someone else said he hid from these beasts and often times was eaten by them.

One man with a spear has a chance albeit a slim one against a bear of this size. The spear being the edge that may keep him alive if he has the opportunity to strike a fatal blow. Although the odds are still in the bears favor. Now multiply that to be ten men with spears and the odds go up against the bear.

But, again in a situation where men have no weapons and in a hypothetical situation where the bear felt threatened or was wounded and enraged men with no weapons wouldn’t stand a chance. Again this is what I understood a flat inclosed area comparable to a football field with no escape. Think the Roman Coliseum except no weapons for the men as first outlined. Give one man a knife and I then think they would have a chance.

100 men isn’t a cohesive entity like a wall. They wouldn’t be able to smother the bear and they don’t have natural weapons like teeth or nails that would cause any considerable damage. And to kill bear you would need to penetrate to the vital organs to kill it.

I am done,

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Thats the most interesting reply yet, I thoroughley agree.

However, I did anticipate this response, hence my idea to select 100 people with steel implants which can subsequentley be used a crude weapons.

I was completeley stuck in my strategem after the plan to use 100 very heavy, strong and fast rugby players i.e. human battering rams, seemed to gain little support (even though they are trained to act as a unit on a football field, charge en mass and would weigh in at a total of 24000LB+) so I re-read the original thread and decided we had to have weapons… and now we have! Who knows, the bear may even choke on somones re-inforced-steel arm plate before we attack its vital organs with leg rods!

Ha ha, good banter but this is taking up too much of my thought space now. Go the humans!

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The rods will be useless unless the humans have the time to get to them. The bear will not stop until the threat is stopped, so who is going to distract the bear and who will rip apart the flesh on the parts of the body that is available? Can you get to the parts if they are in front of the bear? Remember, the bear is not going to chow down after maming some people only after the threat is gone.

n3wb, the humans would not be able to dig a hole deep enough in time, some will die, sooner than others, but they will all perish. Go back to school.

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suppose 2 swallows carried it together…

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[quote]grew7 wrote:
Hell. One hundred of those things could probably kill a bear.

One hundred of these things, spread about 3-4 inches from each other. You’d squash one and the ones you didn’t would just crawl onto you. You’re gonna get killed.[/quote]

OK, no such thing as magical bears (their claws and teeth will just break, right? LMAO!), but now we have magical, super high-speed, killer ants? Put 100 of those things on the ground in front of me and you’re going to have 100 squished giant ants. Period.

The rough equivalent of a bare-handed, human strike on a bear’s hide is about that of a first grade child punching one of us beefed-up, fully grown T-men. This isn’t even a fair analogy, as a child’s bite can actually break an adult’s skin; not so with a human biting a bear’s hide.

Putting the morbidity of the scenario aside, one would only have to kick/punch/strike each seven-year-old once at maybe 50% power to incapacitate/severly wound each of them. After that, you can pretty much go around finishing them off at your leisure; pretty much how it would go with a bear against unarmed full grown men.

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Someone with enough time on their hands should be able to create a simulation, complete with graphics.

Can see if 100 ronnies can do better than 100 crooks or 100 normal people or 100 football players, or 100 mma guys.

The bear is going to be 6 feet at the sholder when his is on all fours, or 14-16’ tall when standing on hind legs.

Think head over the top of a basketball backgoard with lower pectorals around basketball goal level.

For the melee, thjere will be a “front” row, IE: all 100 cannot corner the bear at once, depending on whether its a corner or out in the open, you might have 10 in a front row in the situation of a corner and 30 in a front row given situation that he is in the open.

Bear strikes will result in humans flying out of the row faster than a donkey kick or goring and throwing like a bull.

We did not account for flying human bodies landing on others, or the bear falling from hind feet to all fours crushing a couple of humans under him.

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The bear vs 100 men is analogous to a large power ful man vs 100 2 year olds.

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Chuck Norris by himself,under a minute.

Reality,not even a hundred at the same time could whip a full grown grizzly bear. Hell i’d like to see 10 take on a boar with a full set a cutters. With no weapons my moneys still on the hog

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[quote]baretta wrote:
Are you serious or joking?

What pray tell is going to break the teeth and bones of an animal that can kill a bull is one swipe? If I call two feet i can break a leg.[/quote]

Crunching down on the peoples’ bones will break its teeth. Cutting through their bones should dull its claws. It’s bone against bone.

[quote]Digital Chainsaw wrote:
OK, no such thing as magical bears (their claws and teeth will just break, right? LMAO!), but now we have magical, super high-speed, killer ants? Put 100 of those things on the ground in front of me and you’re going to have 100 squished giant ants. Period.[/quote]

What if you were surrounded? Ants win.

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[quote]grew7 wrote:
Crunching down on the peoples’ bones will break its teeth. Cutting through their bones should dull its claws. It’s bone against bone. [/quote]

Teeth are generally much harder than bone. With its jaws, a grizzly can crush the skull of a Holstein cow like an eggshell. As you are probably aware, humans have much thinner and more delicate bones than do cattle.

As for the bear’s claws, they will be ripping flesh and tearing ligaments, activities which will probably not cause any appreciable dulling.

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What if you were surrounded? Ants win.[/quote]

There have been a handful of fatalities reported from fire ant stings, mostly in children, and mostly from multiple bites. I can think of no scenario where the human would not be able to brush off all one hundred ants and step on them before succumbing himself to their venom, except maybe buried up to his neck like in an old Western movie.

Those Paraponera ants you referenced do sound particulary potent, but native boys are apparently able to withstand the stings of hundreds of ants during initiation rites, so ixnay on the deadly ants hypothesis.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Teeth are generally much harder than bone. With its jaws, a grizzly can crush the skull of a Holstein cow like an eggshell. As you are probably aware, humans have much thinner and more delicate bones than do cattle.

As for the bear’s claws, they will be ripping flesh and tearing ligaments, activities which will probably not cause any appreciable dulling.[/quote]

How will the bear crunch down on someone if it’s already got a guy’s corpse stuck in its mouth? How will the bear rend flesh when its claws are already so gummed up and sticky from previous killings that they just won’t cut anymore?

But they don’t have the job of killing the ants. They just lie back and take it. I imagine they’d have a much harder time if they were supposed to to kill them.

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Arggh… Some people say bears are all fast and all but you gotta understand a 1500 pound full fledged n loaded bear isn’t as fast as a lighter one of the same siecies.

Also if the people would charge at the bear all at once he couldn’t just kill them by " slashing 4 at a time with his huge pawns and claws" because 100 are charging on him at one time.

Sure some people are dommed to die since a single person unable to use the advantage humans have in nature (In real life a single person cn kill 100 bears with a machine gun but the bears could still win like in this case probably by a 70% chance)

but if the bear attacks oen person or a direction on the same moment 20 or so people that’s over a ton are on it soon the bear won’t be able to move adn tire out after he killed about half of the humans and they will manage to poke his eyes out or choke it or something with thier numbers and thier dead buddies body parts

my 2 cents…

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as far as bear aggression goes ive seen a video of a bear and a tiger fighting in a cage and the bear was a lot more aggressive than the tiger !!!!! BUT and there is a But.....the bear soon lost its aggression after its snout had recieved some cosh` from the tiger !!!

i`ve personally chinned a couple of dogs by giving them a fu$%IN good crack on the nose…and no before you ask it was on two seperate occasions.

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[quote]grew7 wrote:

How will the bear rend flesh when its claws are already so gummed up and sticky from previous killings that they just won’t cut anymore?

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The thing is, a bear’s talons do not depend on razor-sharpness to do their work, but rather kinetic energy.

The following is a gruesome example, but it should put everything into perspective. First, consider the medieval mace, pictured above.

The flanges on a mace are not sharp: you would not cut your finger on them. However, when swung hard at a target, the energy of the fast-moving, heavy iron head is concentrated at the edges and points of the flanges, making the mace a very deadly weapon indeed. Furthermore, the deadliness of the mace does not diminish if it becomes sticky with blood and brains.

Now imagine a strong, 250-pound man wielding a pair of these maces against an attacking horde of one hundred unarmed 4th grade boys. This is about the same size and strength disparity we are talking about between the men and the grizzly.

The mace man may get a bit tired before the killing is through, his deltoids may be a little sore the next day, and he may be sporting a few scratches and bite marks (not many, since he is wearing a thick leather jacket and pants), but I think this would be the extent of his hardships.

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[quote]grew7 wrote:
What if you were surrounded? [/quote]

Then I turn around and stomp on them. Dead, giant ants in a 360 degree pattern. Frame it and call it modern art.