Okay this is kinda my first cycle but not really cause I have been on TRT for about 6 months so this is the cycle my trainer recommended and he has produced multiple IFBB pros 4 that I personally know and have talk to and why I chose him to begin with off of their recommendations and has been doing this for over 30 years so here is the cycle and what are your thoughts
Week 1-3 Test C 350mg every 5 days
Dbol 20mg everyday
Arimidex .5mg everyday
Week 4-5 Test C 350mg every 5 days
Dbol 30mg everyday
Arimidex .5mg everyday
Week 6 Test C 100mg every 5 day
Test Prop 100mg every other day
Dbol 30mg everyday
Arimidex .5mg everyday
Week 7-10 Test C 100mg every 5 day
Test Prop 100mg every other day
Arimidex .5mg everyday
Week 11-12 Arimidex .5mg every day
Week 13-14 Comid 50mg everyday
Arimidex .5mg everyday
Week 15-16 Comid 25mg everyday
Arimidex .5mg everyday
You are going to really hate this trainer by week 2 if the dbol doesn’t save you.
- That’s way too much adex. Like, waaaaaay too much. That’s “women with breast cancer” levels of that stuff.
- You don’t need Clomid; that’s a pct drug and you’re on trt
- This is dumb and over complicated. Trainers/coaches/dealers (and they’re always dealers) put this together so it looks like they’re doing something useful. They’re not. Take 500mg of test a week in split dosages. Use the dbol for 20mg for four weeks, and if you need to bump it up to 30mg for two more. If not stay at 20 for six weeks total. Eat. Train. Grow. Done and done. You owe me $200.
RIP E2. You might not even need an AI at all, and you’re taking the amount you MIGHT need per week, every single day. Horrible idea.
I ran 500mg Test E weekly and 30mg DBol for 5 weeks with zero need for AI.
The fact that your trainer recommended PCT while you’re on TRT, shows his lack of knowledge. Anyone can write down a shit ton of drugs and see results, but definitely not the best way to do it.
Okay so several questions
1 why will I hate him what will that much adex do to me or make me feel
2 I have done my research and see that the Dbol pretty close to what a lot of other have done and that the test is about 500mg avg a week what I don’t understand is the test c and test prop combination at the end like what does that do to me test is test it’s still 500mg a week
3 so being that I am on TRT I won’t need clomid cause basically I’ll stay on a low dose of test c
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You’ll crash your estrogen within a few days probably. You’ll feel horrible.
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In guessing your coach is the one selling you the drugs? He’s having you run both esters to make more money off of you. There’s zero need for you to run C and P, especially as a first cycle. You’d be fine running just C at 500 weekly for 10 weeks without anything else. You’ll see results, if your diet and training are good.
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PCT is for guys who need to restart their natural test production. You’re on TRT, so you’re injecting testosterone the rest of your life… you don’t need to restart your natural production as you take exo test.
I’ve got nothing more to add that hasn’t been said by the other three gents. However I am only commenting to reinforce that they have all given you proper advice and if you’re looking for sheer response numbers of affirmation consider this another one for too much adex and KISS with test cyp.
Okay thanks guys I will do more research and just make a decision on what to do just stuck between trusting my coach who’s done this for a long time and buddy’s who recommended him that he got to win and got pro cards and I been training with him for about 3 months and have gotten amazing results from just my TRT from my doctor which is just 100mg a week but what he telling me to take and what I have researched aren’t completely different but some things are obviously and I have two source for this gear and he knows this and he telling me going with him for it or not doesn’t matter that won’t change the cycle but now after what what I am hearing idk if that’s just a sales tactic so I’ll just buy from him but i don’t know got a lot to think about but thanks a lot again guys I appreciate it
Okay, you will. If you had low T and now you do not, you will see amazing results just by being near the gym. Really. Your shoulders will grow and your muscles will fill out just by suddenly having enough T. He may be great at routines for lifting, 30 years should have taught him a few things. The truth is that you will do magical things no matter what if you run a big cycle and show up for your workouts. He is not particularly relevant in the equation at this stage for you. His cycle is dumb and cookie cutter, and from 20 years ago. He is behind the curve, it happens.
Longest sentence I’ve ever read…
I don’t think you’re understanding part of what is being said. We aren’t doubting that your coach has helped others get their pro cards. Any idiot can shoot up a bunch of steroids, lift heavy weights, eat enough, and grow big. The amount of steroids many of these pros take is unbelievable, and comes with huge risks.
The point is, his cycle for you is completely unnecessary, and will not give you any better results then what others on here have suggested. Don’t make it more complicated than it has to be. He either, A) is trying to oversell you products (clomid, Test P, and excessive Adex) for profit. Or, B) he doesn’t understand the science behind the steroids, and is just regurgitating cycles he has heard about 30 years ago.
was this your second cycle? how did it feel? what kind of gains did you make? I’m thinking of just running the 500mg test e for my second blast but I’m tempted by the thought of adding dbol or anavar into the mix.
Yes, second cycle. I enjoyed it, however I wish I had run the DBol at the end of the cycle instead of the beginning.
I have since run a test/var cycle and enjoyed that too. All good options.
A word of advice. The guys here gave you great pieces of advice. I would listen to them. What your coach suggested for arimedex and the two cycles is absurd. Many of the old school coaches believe in using tons of AI but this will make you feel horrible and can cause you long term health issues even from such a short use.
From my experience I can tell you no matter how great a coach is he is not an expert in hormones and steroids. He is chasing performance and doing what is needed in his mind to achieve best results. But he does not take into consideration how you will feel and the consequences for your health. I know a lot of coaches especially those type that prepare competitors. You should listen to him about training schedules and diet, but for the drugs find a really knowledgeable doctor who works with steroids or better listen to the guys here. What they suggest you is much more simple, safe and effective with less side effects. Try to stay away from AI as much as possible and use only minimum amounts when it is REALLY NEEDED.
Just to clue you in on the absurdity of the Adex dosage…
More often than not, AI is not needed for lighter cycles like yours. If it is needed, .125 or .25mg 2 times per week (3.5d) can often be enough. He has you taking wayyyyy too much.
Thank you guys. I really appreciate all this info and after hearing you guys I brought my concerns to my coach and he addressed some of my concerns. The Adex info I had wrong it’s going to be .5mg every other day and titrated to possibly .25mg every other day depending on how it makes me feel. He agrees that I may not need it but he believes it best to be in front of my estrogen levels and keeping them controlled verses addressing them once they occur. Also the reason for the test p vs just using test c the whole cycle is just do to the fact that he knows I get blood work for my doctor every 12 to 16 weeks and that my doctor will not continue my TRT if my levels of testosterone are too high. So he wants me to finish off with test p cause the half life is so short and my test levels will come down sooner. That is also the reason he wants me on clomid cause he wants me to be off of everything a 2 - 4 weeks and get my natural testosterone production up a little which will be low since I suffer from low T before getting my blood work done. So that way my doctor will continue prescribing test c for TRT because he like I could keep selling to you for TRT too but he was like why would you want that this way the doctor still gives you a prescription that your insurance covers and doesn’t cost you anything vs buying it from me. So I not too sure what I am gonna do yet but I thought I would let you guys know what his thoughts were. Again thank you for all the info guys
You should be maxing out at .5mg total per week if you even need it at all. Using 1.75mg/week could mean 2-4 weeks of feeling like shit in a way that you can’t understand until you’ve been there. I’ve crashed mine twice and still have nightmares of that shit. Your coach likely just doesn’t know. The good thing is it sucks so incredibly bad that you likely won’t make that mistake again.
This is ass backwards. To titrate you start low and add when needed (or just slowly add a week at a time). If I were going to attempt to manage E2, I would start with .125 2X a week, if high E2 sides (itchy nipples, holding a bunch of water) I would go to EOD with .125 mg.
If you are concerned with your levels being too high, after the blast just wait two weeks no shots, then start with your TRT dose.
Mfw hes probably still gonna listen to his coach, you won’t become an ifbb pro from 1 cycle regardless bra. Start small and learn from trial and error. Dont try boxing with the big dogs on your first cycle
This is not my first show I have done a few shows in men’s physique so it’s not like haven’t done them before or trying to get my pro card in one show and now I have developed my legs well enough that I think I got a shot at men’s classic physique I am not a big guy I am 37 years old 5’6 and weight about 165 and I feel I have hit my genetic limit naturally. I have no delusions that I will get my pro card in one cycle I know guys that have been on gear for years that still don’t have it. This is just me trying to hit a dream of mine to get a pro card before the age of 40. I am just new to taking gear and looking for education and feed back from others and not just one guy but yea I probably will listen to my coach at least at first cause I do know this is a lot about trial and error but again everyone thank you for your imput I really do appreciate it