I’ll tell ya the real information food purveyors should be giving out. Shit like the fact that sometime in the previous two years Burger King stopped giving out fry sauce. Why would they do that? Who wants to eat fries without any dipping sauce?
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
So the manipulation of the food ingredients for the desired response is of little or no consequence to you. Little enough to warrant disclosure from the company that produces product?[/quote]
No, it is a significant consequence to me.
I’m absolutely beyond excited that the food I buy is going to taste good, make me feel good and give me the desire to buy more. To sit back and know I’m happy I made a purchase because I’s satisfied sounds awesome.
[quote]There ought to be a warning or caution statement on the label. Because the list of the ingredients does not disclose the effects they can have when combined in a certain way according to the studies.
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You want a warning label?
What would it say? “Warning: This product is likely to taste good, you may feel compelled to enjoy it again and again.”
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
I’ll tell ya the real information food purveyors should be giving out. Shit like the fact that sometime in the previous two years Burger King stopped giving out fry sauce. Why would they do that? Who wants to eat fries without any dipping sauce? [/quote]
The government should require Burger King to disclose this information, in writing, to every single customer that has or ever will consume their products. Anything short of that would be letting these evil entities get away with murder.
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Do they? What sources can you cite to help prove your assertion? Also what class of people?
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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
So the manipulation of the food ingredients for the desired response is of little or no consequence to you. Little enough to warrant disclosure from the company that produces product?[/quote]
No, it is a significant consequence to me.
I’m absolutely beyond excited that the food I buy is going to taste good, make me feel good and give me the desire to buy more. To sit back and know I’m happy I made a purchase because I’s satisfied sounds awesome.
[quote]There ought to be a warning or caution statement on the label. Because the list of the ingredients does not disclose the effects they can have when combined in a certain way according to the studies.
[/quote]
You want a warning label?
What would it say? “Warning: This product is likely to taste good, you may feel compelled to enjoy it again and again.”[/quote]
Wow if you were only funny.
If you want to buy the products knowing they have addictive qualities as they were designed then you may purchase them but it is not an excuse for food manufactures to keep this from the public.
This subject is beyond taste and why you keep running away from that fact is beyond me.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Do they? What sources can you cite to help prove your assertion? Also what class of people?
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From the article: In turn, more and more U.S. hospitals are also marketing their services toward these lucrative patients.
So only the affluent have access to this care. Does it work for the overall population? No. So it is only available to the rich class as pointed out by the article.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Oh hey look, a 132 page guide on food labeling…
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Food/GuidanceRegulation/UCM265446.pdf
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Who really cares what the food labeling guide currently says. It is besides the point. Why can’t you understand that? Just because something is the law does not make it right. Blacks were slaves once and it was within the law, did that make it right? Women were not allowed to vote according to law, did that make it right?[/quote]
Translation, what the government already forces on business owners isn’t enough.
We need more regulation.
Gotcha. [/quote]
Translation: we should let corporations hide info from the public and police themselves. Gotcha.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
If the U.S. healthcare system is the envy of the world, which is how the propaganda goes, why aren’t other nations populations clamoring for a change? Y’know since it is so efficient and good.[/quote]
I don’t know if other nations clamor to change their system to be more like ours or not. What I do know, is that people of other nations come here to receive care, why is that?[/quote]
Do they? What sources can you cite to help prove your assertion? Also what class of people?
If the U.S. is so cutting edge why did Peyton Manning have to go to another country to have stem cell therapy?
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Because in his particular situation the stem cell treatment was/is illegal. That has more to do with culture than healthcare
I’m sure I can find an article or two showing people come here for treatment. [/quote]
It was his own stem cells. Not that of an aborted fetus. So there was no controversy. You have no idea what you are talking about.
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Oh hey look, a 132 page guide on food labeling…
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Food/GuidanceRegulation/UCM265446.pdf
[/quote]
Who really cares what the food labeling guide currently says. It is besides the point. Why can’t you understand that? Just because something is the law does not make it right. Blacks were slaves once and it was within the law, did that make it right? Women were not allowed to vote according to law, did that make it right?[/quote]
Translation, what the government already forces on business owners isn’t enough.
We need more regulation.
Gotcha. [/quote]
Translation: we should let corporations hide info from the public and police themselves. Gotcha.[/quote]
What is the solution? At what point will you decide that enough information is available? Everyone knows that certain foods are bad for them, yet most continue to consume those foods. If warning labels, complete with grotesque pictures of problems possibly related to some product, are mandated, yet people continue to eat junk, what should be the next step? Will you only be satisfied when people are only allowed to consume certain foods? Maybe consumption of those foods should be a misdemeanor? What if the threat of up to a year in prison doesn’t completely eliminate consumption of those foods? Maybe five, ten, 20, 40 years? How long?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
In light of the recent mess with VA I still believe it is run better than our for profit system.
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I have never read such a ridiculous claim on PWI.
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What do the majority of the VA members have to say about their care?
[/quote]
I don’t know what the majority of veterans think about the VA, however, I have never met a veteran that thought VA care was even okay let alone good. From personal experience I can tell you the VA sucks at everything they do including healthcare.[/quote]
Thoughts on VA care in N.C.
An argument for VA healthcare.
http://www.veterans.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/NAF%20Longman%20Testimony%2005.15.14.pdf
Another article on the benefits and problems of the VA.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Oh hey look, a 132 page guide on food labeling…
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Food/GuidanceRegulation/UCM265446.pdf
[/quote]
Who really cares what the food labeling guide currently says. It is besides the point. Why can’t you understand that? Just because something is the law does not make it right. Blacks were slaves once and it was within the law, did that make it right? Women were not allowed to vote according to law, did that make it right?[/quote]
Translation, what the government already forces on business owners isn’t enough.
We need more regulation.
Gotcha. [/quote]
Translation: we should let corporations hide info from the public and police themselves. Gotcha.[/quote]
What is the solution? At what point will you decide that enough information is available? Everyone knows that certain foods are bad for them, yet most continue to consume those foods. If warning labels, complete with grotesque pictures of problems possibly related to some product, are mandated, yet people continue to eat junk, what should be the next step? Will you only be satisfied when people are only allowed to consume certain foods? Maybe consumption of those foods should be a misdemeanor? What if the threat of up to a year in prison doesn’t completely eliminate consumption of those foods? Maybe five, ten, 20, 40 years? How long? [/quote]
Your reply indicates you have no real argument against disclosure as no one is suggesting prison sentences or making the products illegal. I’m only arguing the public has a right to know.
Does the public know what is being done behind the scenes?
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
What is the solution? At what point will you decide that enough information is available? Everyone knows that certain foods are bad for them, yet most continue to consume those foods. If warning labels, complete with grotesque pictures of problems possibly related to some product, are mandated, yet people continue to eat junk, what should be the next step? Will you only be satisfied when people are only allowed to consume certain foods? Maybe consumption of those foods should be a misdemeanor? What if the threat of up to a year in prison doesn’t completely eliminate consumption of those foods? Maybe five, ten, 20, 40 years? How long? [/quote]
Your reply indicates you have no real argument against disclosure as no one is suggesting prison sentences or making the products illegal. I’m only arguing the public has a right to know.
Does the public know what is being done behind the scenes?
[/quote]
If you’re not suggesting those things, then you are correct, and I have no argument with you. If you’re just arguing that it would be nice if food producers do the things you suggest, then that’s fine. I must have misunderstood, as I thought you were asking for government regulation, which is asking for prison sentences and prohibition.
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
If the U.S. healthcare system is the envy of the world, which is how the propaganda goes, why aren’t other nations populations clamoring for a change? Y’know since it is so efficient and good.[/quote]
I don’t know if other nations clamor to change their system to be more like ours or not. What I do know, is that people of other nations come here to receive care, why is that?[/quote]
Do they? What sources can you cite to help prove your assertion? Also what class of people?
If the U.S. is so cutting edge why did Peyton Manning have to go to another country to have stem cell therapy?
[/quote]
Because in his particular situation the stem cell treatment was/is illegal. That has more to do with culture than healthcare
I’m sure I can find an article or two showing people come here for treatment. [/quote]
It was his own stem cells. Not that of an aborted fetus. So there was no controversy. You have no idea what you are talking about.
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Lol you are such a jack ass. The procedure was experimental and NOT AVAILABLE IN AMERICA
Where did I say anything about a controversy?
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Do they? What sources can you cite to help prove your assertion? Also what class of people?
[/quote]
From the article: In turn, more and more U.S. hospitals are also marketing their services toward these lucrative patients.
So only the affluent have access to this care. Does it work for the overall population? No. So it is only available to the rich class as pointed out by the article.
[/quote]
Again, lol, of course only people who travel for out of pocket health care are those with money. This isn’t rocket science.
Where do they travel? America, like I said.
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Oh hey look, a 132 page guide on food labeling…
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Food/GuidanceRegulation/UCM265446.pdf
[/quote]
Who really cares what the food labeling guide currently says. It is besides the point. Why can’t you understand that? Just because something is the law does not make it right. Blacks were slaves once and it was within the law, did that make it right? Women were not allowed to vote according to law, did that make it right?[/quote]
Translation, what the government already forces on business owners isn’t enough.
We need more regulation.
Gotcha. [/quote]
Translation: we should let corporations hide info from the public and police themselves. Gotcha.[/quote]
There is nothing to hide… People are fat because they eat shit and don’t move, period.
Once again the fucking government has a massive labeling guide (lol that it’s not good enough for you) and FREE information about proper eating habits and nutrition. Yet a majority still eat garbage.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
What is the solution? At what point will you decide that enough information is available? Everyone knows that certain foods are bad for them, yet most continue to consume those foods. If warning labels, complete with grotesque pictures of problems possibly related to some product, are mandated, yet people continue to eat junk, what should be the next step? Will you only be satisfied when people are only allowed to consume certain foods? Maybe consumption of those foods should be a misdemeanor? What if the threat of up to a year in prison doesn’t completely eliminate consumption of those foods? Maybe five, ten, 20, 40 years? How long? [/quote]
Your reply indicates you have no real argument against disclosure as no one is suggesting prison sentences or making the products illegal. I’m only arguing the public has a right to know.
Does the public know what is being done behind the scenes?
[/quote]
If you’re not suggesting those things, then you are correct, and I have no argument with you. If you’re just arguing that it would be nice if food producers do the things you suggest, then that’s fine. I must have misunderstood, as I thought you were asking for government regulation, which is asking for prison sentences and prohibition.[/quote]
He is absolutely arguing for more government regulations. He wants the government to force companies to print, on the package, how they nefariously mix their product. Because food addiction is as real thing just like obesity is a disease. Forgive me for stealing my good buddies line, eyeroll…
How are companies hiding anything when anyone can Google every single ingredient on a label and find out, within a few seconds, anything and everything there is to know about said ingredient?
Personal responsibility, what a novel fucking concept.
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
In light of the recent mess with VA I still believe it is run better than our for profit system.
[/quote]
I have never read such a ridiculous claim on PWI.
[/quote]
What do the majority of the VA members have to say about their care?
[/quote]
I don’t know what the majority of veterans think about the VA, however, I have never met a veteran that thought VA care was even okay let alone good. From personal experience I can tell you the VA sucks at everything they do including healthcare.[/quote]
Thoughts on VA care in N.C.
An argument for VA healthcare.
http://www.veterans.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/NAF%20Longman%20Testimony%2005.15.14.pdf
Another article on the benefits and problems of the VA.
I know several veterans that have had shitty care through the VA. I have had shitty care through the VA. Have you ever dealt with the VA?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
He is absolutely arguing for more government regulations. He wants the government to force companies to print, on the package, how they nefariously mix their product. Because food addiction is as real thing just like obesity is a disease. Forgive me for stealing my good buddies line, eyeroll…
[/quote]
I’m glad that I’m not the only one who interpreted his posts that way.