[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Is it the rest of society’s responsibilty to pay higher Health Ins. Premiums because some one eats too many simple carbs
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Only when people are mandated to buy insurance. Otherwise, it is a choice.
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It still effects premiums in an open market
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Is it the rest of society’s responsibilty to pay higher Health Ins. Premiums because some one eats too many simple carbs
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Only when people are mandated to buy insurance. Otherwise, it is a choice.
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It still effects premiums in an open market
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That’s an indictment of the insurance market more than anything.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Is it the rest of society’s responsibilty to pay higher Health Ins. Premiums because some one eats too many simple carbs
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Only when people are mandated to buy insurance. Otherwise, it is a choice.
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It still effects premiums in an open market
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That’s an indictment of the insurance market more than anything. [/quote]
it doesn’t matter , some one else is effecting my premium . Why should I be disallowed to try and educate them not only to bring down my premium but to give them a better life
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Why should I be disallowed to try and educate them not only to bring down my premium but to give them a better life
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I’m 99.99% sure that usmc did not say anything like that.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Is it the rest of society’s responsibilty to pay higher Health Ins. Premiums because some one eats too many simple carbs
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Only when people are mandated to buy insurance. Otherwise, it is a choice.
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It still effects premiums in an open market
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That you elect to pay.
You can’t complain if you elect to pay it.
However, once it is forced upon you through government mandate… well if you asked for that, you can’t complain then either.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Is it the rest of society’s responsibilty to pay higher Health Ins. Premiums because some one eats too many simple carbs
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Only when people are mandated to buy insurance. Otherwise, it is a choice.
[/quote]
It still effects premiums in an open market
[/quote]
That’s an indictment of the insurance market more than anything. [/quote]
it doesn’t matter , some one else is effecting my premium . Why should I be disallowed to try and educate them not only to bring down my premium but to give them a better life
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You’re allowed to educate them now. Make a YouTube video on nutrition or create a free blog.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Why should I be disallowed to try and educate them not only to bring down my premium but to give them a better life
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I’m 99.99% sure that usmc did not say anything like that.[/quote]
Rest assured you can be 100% sure I didn’t say anything of the sort.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Is it the rest of society’s responsibilty to pay higher Health Ins. Premiums because some one eats too many simple carbs
[/quote]
Only when people are mandated to buy insurance. Otherwise, it is a choice.
[/quote]
It still effects premiums in an open market
[/quote]
That you elect to pay.
You can’t complain if you elect to pay it.
However, once it is forced upon you through government mandate… well if you asked for that, you can’t complain then either. [/quote]
I do not elect to pay more
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Is it the rest of society’s responsibilty to pay higher Health Ins. Premiums because some one eats too many simple carbs
[/quote]
Only when people are mandated to buy insurance. Otherwise, it is a choice.
[/quote]
It still effects premiums in an open market
[/quote]
That’s an indictment of the insurance market more than anything. [/quote]
it doesn’t matter , some one else is effecting my premium . Why should I be disallowed to try and educate them not only to bring down my premium but to give them a better life
[/quote]
You’re allowed to educate them now. Make a YouTube video on nutrition or create a free blog. [/quote]
He’s said over and over he wants the government to do that…
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I do not elect to pay more
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Then don’t.
The penalty for opting out is significantly less than the cost of medical insurance.
Look, you want the government to be the benevolent master of all of society, and socialize the costs and control of healthcare, that means you have to pay the way for others.
Welcome to the socialization of society.
Sucks when it hits your wallet doesn’t it? But I’m sure you’d be on the front lines asking the “evil rich people” to pay more though right?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Is it the rest of society’s responsibilty to pay higher Health Ins. Premiums because some one eats too many simple carbs
[/quote]
Only when people are mandated to buy insurance. Otherwise, it is a choice.
[/quote]
It still effects premiums in an open market
[/quote]
That’s an indictment of the insurance market more than anything. [/quote]
it doesn’t matter , some one else is effecting my premium . Why should I be disallowed to try and educate them not only to bring down my premium but to give them a better life
[/quote]
You’re allowed to educate them now. Make a YouTube video on nutrition or create a free blog. [/quote]
He’s said over and over he wants the government to do that…
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Well if the government does it, at least it’ll be free… Plus insurance premiums will go down, it’s a win win!
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Well if the government does it, at least it’ll be free… Plus insurance premiums will go down, it’s a win win![/quote]
I know you’re being sarcastic but please god, there are leftist here that actually think it would be “free”, and that we don’t already have programs that do this. (And are often ridiculed for putting out bad info.)
Why they expect a new program with the same purpose to be better is beyond me, but don’t encourage them, lol.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Well if the government does it, at least it’ll be free… Plus insurance premiums will go down, it’s a win win![/quote]
I know you’re being sarcastic but please god, there are leftist here that actually think it would be “free”, and that we don’t already have programs that do this. (And are often ridiculed for putting out bad info.)
Why they expect a new program with the same purpose to be better is beyond me, but don’t encourage them, lol. [/quote]
Lol, good point.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I do not elect to pay more
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Then don’t.
The penalty for opting out is significantly less than the cost of medical insurance.
Look, you want the government to be the benevolent master of all of society, and socialize the costs and control of healthcare, that means you have to pay the way for others.
Welcome to the socialization of society.
Sucks when it hits your wallet doesn’t it? But I’m sure you’d be on the front lines asking the “evil rich people” to pay more though right?[/quote]
t s not matter if I have Ins or not , if I need health care , some poor fat fuck before me has stroked out and not paid his bill , I still have to pay more for health care because people do not understand diet.
I guess I have the right to die rather than pay more , eye roll
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
…if I need health care , some poor fat fuck before me has stroked out and not paid his bill , I still have to pay more for health care because people do not understand diet.
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FWIW, I agree with you, I shouldn’t have to pay higher premiums because some people weigh 600lbs. Again, though, that’s has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, but healthcare and health insurance.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
…if I need health care , some poor fat fuck before me has stroked out and not paid his bill , I still have to pay more for health care because people do not understand diet.
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FWIW, I agree with you, I shouldn’t have to pay higher premiums because some people weigh 600lbs. Again, though, that’s has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, but healthcare and health insurance. [/quote]
true but it is so tightly correlated , diet probably is out ranking smoking for health related problems
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
However the public has the right to know.[/quote]
What do you want, specifically, on the fucking label?[/quote]
Have already answered this. What is it specifically about your beliefs that make it okay for the public to not be informed about the food they buy?
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My belief is that all the information needed to make an informed choice is at the consumer’s fingertips already.
Please copy paste where you SPECIFICLY outlined what you want on the food label that isn’t there already. I’m sorry but I missed it. [/quote]
So the manipulation of the food ingredients for the desired response is of little or no consequence to you. Little enough to warrant disclosure from the company that produces product?
There ought to be a warning or caution statement on the label. Because the list of the ingredients does not disclose the effects they can have when combined in a certain way according to the studies.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
However the public has the right to know.[/quote]
What do you want, specifically, on the fucking label?[/quote]
Have already answered this. What is it specifically about your beliefs that make it okay for the public to not be informed about the food they buy?
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My belief is that all the information needed to make an informed choice is at the consumer’s fingertips already.
Please copy paste where you SPECIFICLY outlined what you want on the food label that isn’t there already. I’m sorry but I missed it. [/quote]
Because it doesn’t exist. [/quote]
Look harder derelict.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
I believe the heart of this thread was the manipulation of food ingredients to spur on food addiction. The GMO point was just a sideshow.[/quote]
The thread had moved to mandatory labeling by the time I responded.
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
And to say that food manufactures should be allowed to tell the public what is in their food is laughable to say the least. To even bring that up as a point is beyond reproach.[/quote]
You don’t believe that food producers should be allowed to tell the public what is in the food they produce?
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
No one is saying what can and can’t be sold. If the food purveyors want to sell their products they should be obligated by law to tell potential customers. Then let the consumer decide.[/quote]
Actually, that is exactly what is being done. Why should producers of food be forced to label products? Nobody has to consume their products. Why shouldn’t the responsibility of knowing what is in food fall on the consumers, barring a situation involving fraud? Seeing someone who argues for an all-powerful government write, “Then let the consumer decide,” is laughable.
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!.) Yes I believe it ought to be mandatory for food manufactures to tell you what they are doing to your food if they intend to market and sell it to the public.
2.) You have missed this point as I was replying to another moron on this thread when he made such an idiotic statement. It isn’t that food manufactures shouldn’t be allowed to tell consumers it’s that should not be allowed to hide things, especially when they can be harmful, from them.
3.) So please explain to me how forcing food manufactures to disclose what is being done to their products is telling them they cannot sell them?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
“These foods are deliberately engineered in such a way that they surpass the reward properties of traditional foods, such as vegetables, fruits, and nuts.”
No shit.
“Food chemists achieve this by suffusing products with increased levels of fat, sugar, flavors, and food additives.”
AKA, we want our products to taste good so people buy our products. However, all of the fat, sugar, flavors, and additives are, get this, right on the label required by the FDA.
I love the chart too. Let’s compare a 1 medium tomato to a pizza. Cause they’re the same thing…
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A listing of ingredients is not the same as the manipulation of them. Get it because I think you are having a hard time understanding the concept.
Aka “we can’t have this information readily available because it may effect sales”