[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Majin wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
No. Monounsaturated fat has its benefits too. Assuming you are getting plenty of Omega3s in your diet, and we all should be, you would be short-changing yourself by avoiding Omega-6 and monounsaturates. It is also wrong to equate unhydrogenated vegetable oil with trans fats. They are entirely different. Trans fats as well as obesity, lack of exercise, and simple sugars are culprits of the things you mention.
I know they have their benefits and I never equated vegetable oils with transfats, but rather I said that they perpetuated transfats as a big part of our diet(via processed foods). But with our state of farming it has become increasingly difficult to consume adequate amounts of omega 3’s from meats, dairy and eggs to balance out the 6s.
A tablespoon of olive oil(according to Nutritiondata.com) has 20’000mg of extra omega 6s. Note that a daily serving of Flameout has just over 4’500mg of free fatty acids. Although you can easily offset this by some ALA foods or supplements, it does go to show just how much omega 6’s is in these oils. Switching to canola and/or coconut would be a much better option.
I prefer an even distribution of fat. 1/3 saturated, 1/3 polyunsaturate, and 1/3 monounsaturate. I eat a ton of fish and pop fish oil like it’s candy. I feel that I feel better when adding sources of monounsaturated fat to my diet. I do agree that you probably can’t get enough Omega 3 from meat and poultry. You really need to eat fish and supplement your iet. [/quote]
Are there negative impacts of taking in too much monounsaturated fat? For example, would taking fish oil pills in the morning with breakfast, eating walnuts with the 2nd or 3rd meal of day, and then having salmon for dinner be too much?
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I learned a lot in writing this, and doing the research. Here’s the points I’m taking home:
Other that fish, animals are screwing up our omega-6 to omega-3 ratio. Even grass fed beef.
As a confirmed carnivore, I therby question the 1:1 ratio that is supposedly ideal. In fact, I did some more research on paleodiet websites, and they suggest 1.5:1 Thank god.
Even if you eat only grass fed beef, you’re still 2:1. Gotta eat the seafood!
Blue mussels are a better source of omega-3 than salmon. More minerals too. That’s cool, because I love them to death. Mollusks are a whole food. They look like vaginas.
I’m more apt to believe that story of human evolution, the one where the gatherer women collected mollusks to grow big baby brains full of DHA. (Anyone know where I can find a woman who meets that description?)
Ok, back to the main story, we need to stop feeding our animals grains. In fact, we should stop growing grains. Grains are for the birds.
Speaking of birds, I will hereby remove the skin from chicken. I think I just died a little inside… But that was only my spirit dying. My body will grow stronger, avoiding all those unnecessary omega-6.
Flax oil is the god of vegetable oils, when not used for cooking. If you don’t like the taste, be glad it isn’t fish oil being drizzled onto your greens. There’s no other way to add omega-3 while avoiding omega-6.
So, apparently, coconut oil kicks palm oil’s omega-6 proliferating ass. In fact, it kicks all cooking oils’ omega-6 proliferating asses! Why did I ever stop buying it? Coconut for cooking. Flax for garnish.
Olive oil is unnecessary. Monounsaturates are everywhere already.
Good night, and good luck.[/quote]
Right on brotha~ Great take-home points. And especially the one about the grains! Grains are just brainwashing by the government. Even oats are bs imo. Much better carb choices you can make. Lazy man’s breakfast. I prefer lima beans with my eggs, personally.
[quote]Kailash wrote:
6. Ok, back to the main story, we need to stop feeding our animals grains. In fact, we should stop growing grains. Grains are for the birds.
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Grains are a relic from a time when humanity’s top priority was a reliable source of calories so that they would not starve to death. Those times seem to be past us, for now, but let the masses keep their grains. More meat for me, and I will look better by comparison.
Beyond that, you made some very interesting points, and I will definately re-examine my use of Olive and Canola oil. However, there is no way I am giving up my dead bird skin. That junk is way too tasty.
[quote]K_Mac wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Majin wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Are there negative impacts of taking in too much monounsaturated fat? For example, would taking fish oil pills in the morning with breakfast, eating walnuts with the 2nd or 3rd meal of day, and then having salmon for dinner be too much?[/quote]
Those foods you listed are mainly polyunsaturated sources, not mono. Just try to get as close as a 1/3 balance of each as you can, meaning eat some of each and youll be good.
I learned a lot in writing this, and doing the research. Here’s the points I’m taking home:
Other that fish, animals are screwing up our omega-6 to omega-3 ratio. Even grass fed beef.
As a confirmed carnivore, I therby question the 1:1 ratio that is supposedly ideal. In fact, I did some more research on paleodiet websites, and they suggest 1.5:1 Thank god.
Even if you eat only grass fed beef, you’re still 2:1. Gotta eat the seafood!
Blue mussels are a better source of omega-3 than salmon. More minerals too. That’s cool, because I love them to death. Mollusks are a whole food. They look like vaginas.
I’m more apt to believe that story of human evolution, the one where the gatherer women collected mollusks to grow big baby brains full of DHA. (Anyone know where I can find a woman who meets that description?)
Ok, back to the main story, we need to stop feeding our animals grains. In fact, we should stop growing grains. Grains are for the birds.
Speaking of birds, I will hereby remove the skin from chicken. I think I just died a little inside… But that was only my spirit dying. My body will grow stronger, avoiding all those unnecessary omega-6.
Flax oil is the god of vegetable oils, when not used for cooking. If you don’t like the taste, be glad it isn’t fish oil being drizzled onto your greens. There’s no other way to add omega-3 while avoiding omega-6.
So, apparently, coconut oil kicks palm oil’s omega-6 proliferating ass. In fact, it kicks all cooking oils’ omega-6 proliferating asses! Why did I ever stop buying it? Coconut for cooking. Flax for garnish.
Olive oil is unnecessary. Monounsaturates are everywhere already.
Good night, and good luck.
Right on brotha~ Great take-home points. And especially the one about the grains! Grains are just brainwashing by the government. Even oats are bs imo. Much better carb choices you can make. Lazy man’s breakfast. I prefer lima beans with my eggs, personally.
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So fruit, veggies, beans, dairy…any other good carb sources I am forgetting? (to replace grains)
[quote]Kailash wrote:
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Guys, I hope you realize just how truly out of whack we are on the omega-6:omega-3 ratios.
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grass fed beef (sirloin) - omega 6: 311mg, omega3: 152mg
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I don’t know where NutritionData.com got their data, but grasslandbeef.com is claiming something entirely different. They claim a 0.16:1 omega 6 to omega 3 ratio. In other words, they claim omega 3’s are 6.25 times the omega 6’s.
So fruit, veggies, beans, dairy…any other good carb sources I am forgetting? (to replace grains)
That’s it, man. When leaning down for photos or a gig, I stay away from fruit, for the most part, other than occassional apple or grapefruit every 2 of 3 days. Just depends on your goals, really. Beans and sweet potatoes are my main starch sources for PWO time frame.
I will make one bag of frozen limas on Sunday and it will last me all week to eat about a half serving with my eggs, fish oil, and protein powder in the morning. Power breakfast. Milk when I’m not worried about being super lean, but definitely thrown out when achieving max leanness.
And another observation on the grains based on comment above: People used to expend much more energy than we do today, just in day to day activities like having to walk everywhere, work on the farm, build their own house, etc. We are a bunch of lazy mfs in comparison.
[quote]Thrown wrote:
And another observation on the grains based on comment above: People used to expend much more energy than we do today, just in day to day activities like having to walk everywhere, work on the farm, build their own house, etc. We are a bunch of lazy mfs in comparison.[/quote]
[quote]Kailash wrote:
Majin wrote:
That’s why I maintain that part of the strategy should be to cut back on vegetable oils and choose the one’s that have a decent omega3/omega6 ratio, such as Flax, Canola, Walnut, Coconut, Perilla and Hemp oils.
Dude, did you see what I found out about canola and walnut oil? They are 4:1 and 5:1, respectively. Hemp oil is still twice what it should be, at 3:1. And they contain significantly more omega-6 than relatively tame olive or plam oil; twice as much for canola and SIX times as much for walnut! Forget that crap about walnut being an omega-3 source. It’s much more an omega-6 source.
Vegetable oils per Kailash:
Stick to flax oil to get omega-3 (offset terrestial meat and nuts), coconut for omega-3 and omega-6 neutrality, or olive oil and palm oil for marginal omega-6 overload.
Maybe eat more fish if you choose that last option, and eschew the chicken and pork? It’s your call. But I’d rather spend my “omega-6 points” on whole foods than olive oil, spank you very much![/quote]
4:1 and 5:1 is better than 10-20:1 in usual oils people typically keep in the pantry, including olive. In the end, just like you said - whole foods should be a priority. I totally agree. A little olive oil is alright, but the overall should be monitored.
Chia seeds have more omega-3 than omega-6. Whether chia oil can be obtained, I don’t know, but it could make an alternative to flax oil for non-cooking purposes.
Palm kernel oil and clarified butter are excellent cooking oils with scarce omega-6. Like coocnut, they are as good as neutral, with regards to their effect on our omega-3 to omega-6 ratios.
In fact, the best of these might be the clarified butter (also known as ghee or anhydrous butter oil). It provides some omega-3 as well as minimizing omega-6.
(note the difference between “palm kernel” and “palm” oils)
[quote]Kailash wrote:
Lastly, does anyone know where I can source some oogruk oil (bearded seal)? [/quote]
Got any friends in Canada? You can get it there (seal oil) but no one will ship to the US. I’m sure it has everything to do with eco-nazis, as the products in Canada have been through some political trials and tribulations (Google on Costco and Barry Group for a sample).
Most if it goes to Asia.
I’ve been trying - if I ever find a way to get it here I’ll shoot ya a PM. Typical prices seem to be around US$15 for 120 softgels at 500mg.
