Oldest Human-Linked Skeleton Found

[quote]Jason Lee wrote:
Badunk wrote:
Jason Lee wrote:
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The earliest published writings came 70 years after his death. Where did they get their stories? From other peoples accounts? The fact is we don’t know how many people wrote about it or what happened to the parchment that it was written on. Do you know where every piece of paper is that you’ve ever written on? Of course you don’t, things get thrown away, burned, misplaced, or someone just didn’t want it or think it necessary to keep. The fact that there is written documentation that has lasted 2000 years should say something. Creating the bible 1900 years ago isn’t the same as it is today. That much time and effort involved should speak loudly for itself. What more documentation do you need to see?

As far as the holocaust comparison I think it fits quite well. Hardcore Atheist say Jesus never lived, god doesn’t exist, religion is a load of crap. Why? Because Jesus couldn’t have done those things, God wouldn’t let bad things happen. Once people realize that it’s impossible for people to understand Gods plan, there will be more acceptance. We can’t understand omniscience. [/quote]

Aesop’s fables existed long before Jesus was born. So did thousands of other treatises on every single subject one can think of. These documents were passed on through generations and centuries because they could either capture people’s imaginations or were proof/research or understanding of a particular genre. Just like the fables, Bible was also a story borrowed/stolen from others so that the storytellers of that time could enter the courts of great kings and jew money out of 'em.

The application of human characteristics to the so called God is the epitome of fallacy. Religion has pretty much no place in our society as of now because we have the capability and the capacity to think and advance. Religion is nothing but an impediment to the world.

Understanding the universe through science, reasoning and questioning is where human insstinct lie. Not through worshipping a half naked bleeding jew nailed to a 2 by 4 piece of wood.

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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/pf/21196600.html

Ardi’s Secret: Did Early Humans Start Walking for Sex?
Jamie Shreeve
Science editor, National Geographic magazine
October 1, 2009

The big news from the journal Science today is the discovery of the oldest human skeletonâ??a small-brained, 110-pound (50-kilogram) female of the species Ardipithecus ramidus, nicknamed “Ardi.” She lived in what is now Ethiopia 4.4 million years ago, which makes her over a million years older than the famous Lucy fossil, found in the same region 35 years ago.

(Full story: “Oldest ‘Human’ Skeleton Foundâ??Disproves ‘Missing Link.’”)

Buried among the slew of papers about the new find is one about the creature’s sex life. It makes fascinating reading, especially if you like learning why human females don’t know when they are ovulating, and men lack the clacker-sized testicles and bristly penises sported by chimpanzees.

(See pictures of Ardipithecus ramidus.)

One of the defining attributes of Lucy and all other hominidsâ??members of our evolutionary lineage, including ourselvesâ??is that they walk upright on two legs. While Ardi also walked on two legs on the ground, the species also clambered about on four legs in the trees. Ardi thus offers a fascinating glimpse of an ape caught in the act of becoming human. (Interactive: Ardi’s key features.)

The problem is it is doing it in the wrong place at the wrong timeâ??at least according to conventional wisdom, which says our kind first stood up on two legs when they moved out of the forest and onto open savanna grasslands. At the time Ardi lived, her environment was a woodland, much cooler and wetter than the desert there today.

So why did her species become bipedal while it was still living partly in the trees, especially since walking on two legs is a much less efficient way of getting about?

According to Owen Lovejoy of Kent State University, it all comes down to food, and sex.

In apesâ??both modern apes and, presumably, the ancient ancestors of Ardipithecusâ??males find mates the good old-fashioned apish way: by fighting with other males for access to fertile females. Success, measured in number of offspring, goes to macho males with big sharp canine teeth who try to mate with as many ovulating females as possible. Sex is best done quicklyâ??hence those penis bristles, which accelerate ejaculationâ??with the advantage to the male with big testicles carrying a heavy load of sperm. Among females, the winners are those who flaunt their fertility with swollen genitals or some other prominent display of ovulation, so those big alpha dudes will take notice and give them a tumble, providing a baby with his big alpha genes.

Let’s suppose that some lesser male, with poor little stubby canines, figures out that he can entice a fertile female into mating by bringing her some food. That sometimes happens among living chimpanzees, for instance when a female rewards a male for presenting her with a tasty gift of colobus monkey.

Among Ardipithecus’s ancestors, such a strategy could catch on if searching for food required a lot of time and exposure to predators. Males would be far more successful food-providers if they had their hands free to carry home loads of fruits and tubersâ??which would favor walking on two legs. Females would come to prefer good, steady providers with smaller canines over the big fierce-toothed ones who left as soon as they spot another fertile female. The results, says Lovejoy, are visible in Ardipithecus, which had small canines even in males and walked upright.

Lovejoy’s explanation for the origin of bipedalism thus comes down to the monogamous pair bond. Far from being a recent evolutionary innovation, as many people assume, he believes the behavior goes back all the way to near the beginning of our lineage some six million years ago.

But there is one other, essential piece to this puzzle that leaves no trace in the fossil record. If the female knew when she was fertile, she could basically cheat the system by taking all the food offered by her milquetoast of a provider, then cuckold him with a dominant male when she was ovulating, scoring the best of both worlds. The food-for-sex contract thus depends on what Lovejoy calls "the most unique human character"â??ovulation that not only goes unannounced to the males of the group, but is concealed even from the female herself.

Regular meals, monogamy, and discretionâ??who would have thought our origins were so sedate?

I am an atheist. Atheism is defined as a lack of belief in God, this is not the same as the belief in the non-existence of God.

As for Jesus, to say Jesus never existed is ridiculous. Of course he existed. Well to be strict, there were hundreds if not thousands of Jesuses. Jesus just means savior. Christo means anointed one. Jesus Christ is not a name, it is a title.

Throughout history there were lots of guys wandering about telling stories about how to live your life better and get closer to whichever god. A number of these stories were brought together by a group of people who were looking to push their own religious views. Out of these condensed a set of myths that cherry picked from lots of contemporary religions. These became what we now know as the story of Jesus Christ.

Incidentally, you know the story of the guy that the Romans released prior to the crucifixion? Ever checked what his name was? Jesus Bar Abas or Jesus Son of the Father.

It’s interesting to read the original post about a fossil, then skip to the last page and we’re discussing religion. -_-

[quote]Fergy wrote:
It’s interesting to read the original post about a fossil, then skip to the last page and we’re discussing religion. -_-[/quote]

They can’t help themselves. I’ll let the readers decide who “they” are.

[quote]Fergy wrote:
It’s interesting to read the original post about a fossil, then skip to the last page and we’re discussing religion. -_-[/quote]

There was a post about a fossil? I must have missed that.