Officer Rivieri

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[quote]blazindave wrote:
Flow wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
rainjack wrote:
NeelyDan wrote:
Nephorm, he’s a KID. Kids are supposed to be irritating.

Officers are supposed to be able to discern between a situation warranting physical intervention and one that does not.

I honestly can’t believe you’re arguing this.

No. Kids are supposed to shut the fuck up. And if the rules are to not be skateboarding in a certain area, don’t be fucking skateboarding there.

Your incessant bullshit about there being a “chokehold” is laughable. There was nothing even close to a choke anywhere.

You have completely overreacted to a little punk assed bitch getting called out.

Go cry somewhere else. It’s getting old.

What irritates me, is sitting around wondering when cops became parents. It isn’t the officer’s job to teach the kid how he should behave, it’s his parents. It is your God given right as an American to be immature if you want, it isn�??t against the law. By your own statement, teens should be treated differently than adults in the eyes of police.

As a teenager, I had 2 major encounters with police officers and they both disrespected and even threatened me with physical violence for nothing. They came to my house looking for my brother and I didn’t know where he was. I was polite, respectful and honest, and they threatened to �??rearrange my face�??.

The first time they even came into the house unannounced while I was home alone and scared me shitless when I was 15, which is illegal. Fortunately for me my dad came home, and their tunes changed. Ironically enough, one of the things my brother was in trouble for was selling steroids, among other things, mostly to cops (by his account).

I don�??t think that there is any more hypocritical demographic on earth than �??law enforcement.�?? For those few honest cops out there, bless you for all that you do. For the rest of the power tripping, dishonest, bribe taking, pieces of garbage that think their opinion is the law, and it�??s there right to �??teach people manors�?? FU!

Absolutely

What blows my mind is there are people in this thread that think respect is established by physically attacking a 14 year old.

Bullshit, that’s called fear. That is control by fear-tactics, and resorting to that is a tactic used by punk kids and immature adults. IN this case, an immature cop on a power trip.

The law works on fear tactic. Religion does as well. All form of control is a fear tactic. Your statement is retarded.
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‘All form of control is a fear tactic’.

That is ridiculous.

The types of controls that prevent this sort of action towards a 14 year old boy by a 30-40 year old man are not based on fear tactics. They are based on right and wrong.

There are some forms of controls that are based purely on fear tactics, notably the one Officer Rivieri is trying to put into affect. That, I’ll agree to.

Also, I don’t push 14 year olds into concrete for calling me dude. I don’t do this, not because I’m scared of some reprisal for doing the deed, but because I have a code of ethics and a concept of right and wrong.

Religion is a topic of a different thread.

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Yeah, I’m sorry for arguing religion, but he brought it up and then publicly attacked my beliefs. It can be a hot button for me. Hah!

It’s really funny, because I’m at work and can’t even watch the video till I get home.

I just have a problem with obtuse statements.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
rainjack wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
I really can’t fathom how someone can watch that video and think that the officer behaved appropriately.

I can’t fathom people watching a video that only captures half the story thinking they have enough information to draw and quarter the cop.

You also saw half the story and thought you had enough information to draw and quarter the kid.[/quote]

I’ve seen a shit ton more smart ass little punk bitches running their mouths than I have asshole cops.

I giving the benefit of the doubt to the cop PRECISELY because we only see the part of the video that the little punk kids wanted us to see.

Had it been a cop video, and only half the video was published, I would probably think differently.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
blazindave wrote:

The kid was disobeying the cop. The cop was asking him about his parents and so forth. He wasn’t asking him to drop his pants. At one point the cop realised continuing on would be pointless and decided to a more physical approach.

Lol, the lines we can hear from the kid are:

“Yeah.”

“Ok, I didn’t hear you.”

Then the cop flipped out and started screaming.

When the kid said he didn’t have a father the cop decided to put him to the ground and take his skateboard.

Basically, the cop didn’t like his tone. I wouldn’t say the kid was disobeying anyone. That’s how kids talk, and granted he should learn to speak to authority a little better, but at 14 you can hardly blame him.[/quote]

He’s 14. He should know by now. If he was an 8 year-old - maybe you would have a point.

His parents should have their asses kicked as well.

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:
But if it doesnt justify it, then why point it out? … I dont know that I’d call it police brutality, but I would call it abuse of power, ie, he only thought he was entitled to do this because he had the power to do it, not because it was morally justified. Maybe I just misunderstood you tho, and if so, I apologize.
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Like I said: part of a police officer’s job is PR. Ideally, given the same kid and the same circumstances, he would never have raised his voice, and when he decided to seize the skateboard, he would’ve clearly said “Please hand me the skateboard” before attempting to remove it as he did. He was acting like an asshole. So I can’t say his yelling or rambling was “justified,” because there are clearly better ways to articulate one’s position.

I do think that taking the skateboard may have been justified, and I think that the so-called “chokehold” may have been justified depending upon what occurred immediately prior.

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Old news is old…
The kids obviously did something if the camera was rolling.

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[quote]nephorm wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
But if it doesnt justify it, then why point it out? … I dont know that I’d call it police brutality, but I would call it abuse of power, ie, he only thought he was entitled to do this because he had the power to do it, not because it was morally justified. Maybe I just misunderstood you tho, and if so, I apologize.

Like I said: part of a police officer’s job is PR. Ideally, given the same kid and the same circumstances, he would never have raised his voice, and when he decided to seize the skateboard, he would’ve clearly said “Please hand me the skateboard” before attempting to remove it as he did. He was acting like an asshole. So I can’t say his yelling or rambling was “justified,” because there are clearly better ways to articulate one’s position.

I do think that taking the skateboard may have been justified, and I think that the so-called “chokehold” may have been justified depending upon what occurred immediately prior.[/quote]

Why did the cop take the skateboard to begin with? The kid stopped skateboarding after he took off his headphones and was told not to do it.

I didn’t find it a big deal at first, but why did the cop take it? Probably to keep being an asshole and prove how superior he is.

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[quote]nephorm wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
What happens if you harm an officer for breaking and entering?

It depends, and this is really a problem, especially since they can get no-knock warrants.[/quote]

Very true Neph, but should an officer conduct a such a search without a warrant or your permission, he will most likely invoke his reason of probably cause. He BETTER, and I mean BETTER, have out-fucking-standing probable cause. Otherwise he has violated your civil rights with illegal search and seizure. People must understand their own rights, because if you are ever given your rights to Miranda, you will want to know them.

The gov’t isnt going to bother explaining them to you. They are not legally obligated to telling you what the law is. This is why so many people spill the beans when they get hemmed up. You can plead the 5th at any time.

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[quote]nephorm wrote:
Also… keep in mind that when the video of the college student being tazered repeatedly in a university library was being circulated, my response then was that if the circumstances were as they seemed to be, the mob of people should have overwhelmed the officers.

I am no “boot licker,” nor do I think that the police deserve unqualified respect and obedience.

But when you go around making mountains out of mole-hills - which this appears, to me, to be - it discredits any attempts to point out the genuine dangers of the police power, such as legal arms being confiscated in New Orleans.[/quote]

Since I’m the guy that used the term, I want to make it clear that I don’t see you in that category. While I don’t always agree with you, you come across as one of the smartest guys on these boards. The only thing you’re guilty of is being in a thread where two members have Bob Saget avatars.

With the important stuff out of the way. I think I need to add that that cop did not put in a crazy chokehold. That was a basic compliance technique, the likes of which are used to make hippies and Code Pink’ers get up when they’re refusing to leave. That wasn’t assault.

Where this cop went wrong was 1) the second push and 2) his demeanor. The cop gave the impression that this kid was in a position where his safety was in jeopardy regardless of his behavior. I’ve been in this position. With this kid, he created a future Rage Against the Machine fan. In my case, the only thing that kept me from running was the fact that my wife was right next to me. Alone, I’d have run which would have escalated the situation even more.

mike

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I think the most interesting development is the fact that there’s a video for us to see period.

We’re entering a new age where the “regular guy” can not only make a video, but get mass distribution.

And although there’s obviously room for error (only putting up portions of a video), I think overall this will prove to be a good thing.

I mean, imagine having a flipvideo running so when a cop tries to pull some bullshit on you when, say, pulling you over, you hold evidence against him.

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
In fact as officers continue to enforce laws that violate liberty, angry men like me are bred. This brings us closer to chaos I assure you as angry men do not stand idle forever.

mike[/quote]

And like I said in my previous post, I think your most potent weapon is videos like the one that started this thread…and putting them on Youtube.

Beats the heck out of “resisting arrest” when it comes to sticking it to 'em. Ha!

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“I’m not man. I’m not dude. I am Officer Rivieri. The sooner you learn this, the longer you will live in this world. Somebody’s gonna kill you.”

Natural selection has obviously failed.

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Nice, the music and filming completes it. Slow-mo at the end, lol.

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[quote]Artem wrote:
“I’m not man. I’m not dude. I am Officer Rivieri. The sooner you learn this, the longer you will live in this world. Somebody’s gonna kill you.”

Natural selection has obviously failed.[/quote]

I am kinda shocked that the officer’s words here are not interpreted as a threat.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
blazindave wrote:

The kid was disobeying the cop. The cop was asking him about his parents and so forth. He wasn’t asking him to drop his pants. At one point the cop realised continuing on would be pointless and decided to a more physical approach.

Lol, the lines we can hear from the kid are:

“Yeah.”

“Ok, I didn’t hear you.”

Then the cop flipped out and started screaming.

When the kid said he didn’t have a father the cop decided to put him to the ground and take his skateboard.

Basically, the cop didn’t like his tone. I wouldn’t say the kid was disobeying anyone. That’s how kids talk, and granted he should learn to speak to authority a little better, but at 14 you can hardly blame him.

He’s 14. He should know by now. If he was an 8 year-old - maybe you would have a point.

His parents should have their asses kicked as well.

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At 14 I was probably a lot worse than this kid. I think you’re overestimating the ability of a 14 year old to react with respect when he has never been taught to do so.

Agreed about the parents. I place most of the blame on them.

I still don’t think that excuses the cops behavior. If the cop was his dad, it would be warranted. However, he is not his dad and it’s not his job.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
rainjack wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
I really can’t fathom how someone can watch that video and think that the officer behaved appropriately.

I can’t fathom people watching a video that only captures half the story thinking they have enough information to draw and quarter the cop.

You also saw half the story and thought you had enough information to draw and quarter the kid.

I’ve seen a shit ton more smart ass little punk bitches running their mouths than I have asshole cops.

I giving the benefit of the doubt to the cop PRECISELY because we only see the part of the video that the little punk kids wanted us to see.

Had it been a cop video, and only half the video was published, I would probably think differently. [/quote]

Either way, we’re all speculating on what was NOT shown in the video. You make judgments one way, I’ll make them the other. Fair enough.

And I think we’re all missing the part at the end where the cop says something along the lines of “That camera better not be on, I don’t want to see myself on youtube.” Don’t quote me, but that line shows that the cop thought his actions might (at least) be out of line.

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[quote]Flow wrote:
blazindave wrote:
Flow wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
rainjack wrote:
NeelyDan wrote:
Nephorm, he’s a KID. Kids are supposed to be irritating.

Officers are supposed to be able to discern between a situation warranting physical intervention and one that does not.

I honestly can’t believe you’re arguing this.

No. Kids are supposed to shut the fuck up. And if the rules are to not be skateboarding in a certain area, don’t be fucking skateboarding there.

Your incessant bullshit about there being a “chokehold” is laughable. There was nothing even close to a choke anywhere.

You have completely overreacted to a little punk assed bitch getting called out.

Go cry somewhere else. It’s getting old.

What irritates me, is sitting around wondering when cops became parents. It isn’t the officer’s job to teach the kid how he should behave, it’s his parents. It is your God given right as an American to be immature if you want, it isn�??t against the law. By your own statement, teens should be treated differently than adults in the eyes of police.

As a teenager, I had 2 major encounters with police officers and they both disrespected and even threatened me with physical violence for nothing. They came to my house looking for my brother and I didn’t know where he was. I was polite, respectful and honest, and they threatened to �??rearrange my face�??.

The first time they even came into the house unannounced while I was home alone and scared me shitless when I was 15, which is illegal. Fortunately for me my dad came home, and their tunes changed.

Ironically enough, one of the things my brother was in trouble for was selling steroids, among other things, mostly to cops (by his account).

I don�??t think that there is any more hypocritical demographic on earth than �??law enforcement.�?? For those few honest cops out there, bless you for all that you do.

For the rest of the power tripping, dishonest, bribe taking, pieces of garbage that think their opinion is the law, and it�??s there right to �??teach people manors�?? FU!

Absolutely

What blows my mind is there are people in this thread that think respect is established by physically attacking a 14 year old.

Bullshit, that’s called fear. That is control by fear-tactics, and resorting to that is a tactic used by punk kids and immature adults. IN this case, an immature cop on a power trip.

The law works on fear tactic. Religion does as well. All form of control is a fear tactic. Your statement is retarded.

‘All form of control is a fear tactic’.

That is ridiculous.

The types of controls that prevent this sort of action towards a 14 year old boy by a 30-40 year old man are not based on fear tactics. They are based on right and wrong.

There are some forms of controls that are based purely on fear tactics, notably the one Officer Rivieri is trying to put into affect. That, I’ll agree to.

Also, I don’t push 14 year olds into concrete for calling me dude. I don’t do this, not because I’m scared of some reprisal for doing the deed, but because I have a code of ethics and a concept of right and wrong.

Religion is a topic of a different thread.
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Great post! If more officers acted like you, there would be more respect for them. I know a large percentage of cops do it for the right reasons, but there is no shortage of cops that without badges would be criminals.

RJ, are you saying that if that cop treated you that way it would be OK? Why do you deserve more respect than a kid? Because your older? If anything a kid needs more patience, not less. I’ve met many cops that were assholes power tripping.

If you treat me with respect, you’ll get respect, if not he can fuck off. Someone like officer Riverari shouldn’t be dealing with the public.

blazindave, if you truly believe that respect and fear are the same thing, I hope you are not in a position of authority. I know far too many managers who think this is true and the world would be better off without these assholes.

Furthermore, you seem to imply that no one can be moral without fearing God. What bullshit! I try to be moral because it is the right thing to do, not because of your fairy-tales.

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Cop pushes kid = eight page thread.

Someone post some real police brutality.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Artem wrote:
“I’m not man. I’m not dude. I am Officer Rivieri. The sooner you learn this, the longer you will live in this world. Somebody’s gonna kill you.”

Natural selection has obviously failed.

I am kinda shocked that the officer’s words here are not interpreted as a threat. [/quote]

I wondered that, too.

I was amazed that this guy’s been a cop for…what did the news say…17 years? His behavior was much more indicative of a rookie with zero people skills, than a ‘seasoned’ officer. Taking issue with being called “dude” instead of “sir” or “officer”…smacks of insecurity. He’s a walking, talking liability to the department. Where are the code sections, enforcable by law, that you can’t call an police officer dude? Hell, if that kid called him sweetheart, does that rise to the level of disorderly conduct, or some other arrestable offense? I don’t think so. I realize it’s a respect issue; Rivieri doesn’t appear to me to know how to get it.

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[quote]5.0 wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
Artem wrote:
“I’m not man. I’m not dude. I am Officer Rivieri. The sooner you learn this, the longer you will live in this world. Somebody’s gonna kill you.”

Natural selection has obviously failed.

I am kinda shocked that the officer’s words here are not interpreted as a threat.

I wondered that, too.

I was amazed that this guy’s been a cop for…what did the news say…17 years? His behavior was much more indicative of a rookie with zero people skills, than a ‘seasoned’ officer. Taking issue with being called “dude” instead of “sir” or “officer”…smacks of insecurity. He’s a walking, talking liability to the department. Where are the code sections, enforcable by law, that you can’t call an police officer dude? Hell, if that kid called him sweetheart, does that rise to the level of disorderly conduct, or some other arrestable offense? I don’t think so. I realize it’s a respect issue; Rivieri doesn’t appear to me to know how to get it. [/quote]

Well said,

The kid pulled the cop’s bitch card, and how embarrassing that much be for the cop. You let some kid cause you to lose your temper that much, over skateboarding of all things. He was suspended because of it. The kid lost his chance to skate at the Inner Harbor that day, the cop lost his job along with any respect he had. Who do you think really lost?

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[quote]duffyj2 wrote:
Cop pushes kid = eight page thread.

Someone post some real police brutality.
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Like I said before. My threads deliver.