Occupy Wall Street

[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:
Im 23 yrs old,Im in college and I already feel like my life is over before it even began. Im faced with debts,unemployment,the looming housing market,and no possibility of having any hope for retirement. This is a problem caused by people that were too fucking greedy and thinking about themselves. I’m by no means asking for a handout,and I know alot of people that feel the same way,but I feel cheated out of opportunities that were handed to generations before mine. Older people might not understand,I don’t expect them too either,Baby Boomers are the ones that caused this whole mess and us (my generation) and our kids generations are going to pay for it. Yeah we’re fucking bitter and we are finally doing something about.[/quote]

Your 23 and worried about retirement. Open a Roth IRA and dump every available penny you can into it. It’ll add up. I’m not bitter and I’m only 25. If you are in such a bad place join the military like I did. Free housing and great experience. Plus they pay for college. This is a viable option for many people, but most don’t want to have to work that hard at such a young age.

You can blame the baby boomers all you want, but it wont fix anything. If you want to be mad at someone be mad at the people that make the laws. They are the ones that waste the majority of OUR money.

Medicare, medicaid, and Social Security are the three greatest drains on this nation and will destroy us if they are not fixed. You and I being in our mid 20’s don’t deserve social security, medicare, or medicaid and if I had my way we would pick a cut off age and then pay for it until the last person at the cut off date died and effectively ended the programs. I don’t want social security, but I’ll pay for other to receive it if that means this nation does devolve into a 3rd world country because our politicians are to stupid to fix the most pressing issue in our lives instead worrying about their elections.

Oh and the looming housing market…who said you deserve a house? That’s baby boomer talk.

Google IOUSA and watch it.

Chris

[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:
Im 23 yrs old,Im in college and I already feel like my life is over before it even began. Im faced with debts,unemployment,the looming housing market,and no possibility of having any hope for retirement. This is a problem caused by people that were too fucking greedy and thinking about themselves. I’m by no means asking for a handout,and I know alot of people that feel the same way,but I feel cheated out of opportunities that were handed to generations before mine. Older people might not understand,I don’t expect them too either,Baby Boomers are the ones that caused this whole mess and us (my generation) and our kids generations are going to pay for it. Yeah we’re fucking bitter and we are finally doing something about.[/quote]

Oh yeah? What are you doing? Marching up and down on Wall Street? Haha ha ha ha ha hooo hee haha ha. You guys are about as successful at protesting as you are getting a job.

Seriously spend some time looking for work because that whole protesting thing is going no where.

Ahh amazing how full of shit some you are here. Even better yet is the "if you don’t agree with me then you are a pussy/or you can go fuck yourself "responce that is reposted in one way or another over and over.

The way I see it is there are two kinds of people. Those who loved George Carlin and those who are jerkoffs. Feel free to let us know where you fall.

» Occupy Wall Street ?Stands In Solidarity? With Obama Front Group Alex Jones’ Infowars
http://www.infowars.com/occupy-wall-street-stands-in-solidarity-with-obama-front-group/

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:
Im 23 yrs old,Im in college and I already feel like my life is over before it even began. Im faced with debts,unemployment,the looming housing market,and no possibility of having any hope for retirement. This is a problem caused by people that were too fucking greedy and thinking about themselves. I’m by no means asking for a handout,and I know alot of people that feel the same way,but I feel cheated out of opportunities that were handed to generations before mine. Older people might not understand,I don’t expect them too either,Baby Boomers are the ones that caused this whole mess and us (my generation) and our kids generations are going to pay for it. Yeah we’re fucking bitter and we are finally doing something about.[/quote]

Your 23 and worried about retirement. Open a Roth IRA and dump every available penny you can into it. It’ll add up. I’m not bitter and I’m only 25. If you are in such a bad place join the military like I did. Free housing and great experience. Plus they pay for college. This is a viable option for many people, but most don’t want to have to work that hard at such a young age.

You can blame the baby boomers all you want, but it wont fix anything. If you want to be mad at someone be mad at the people that make the laws. They are the ones that waste the majority of OUR money.

Medicare, medicaid, and Social Security are the three greatest drains on this nation and will destroy us if they are not fixed. You and I being in our mid 20’s don’t deserve social security, medicare, or medicaid and if I had my way we would pick a cut off age and then pay for it until the last person at the cut off date died and effectively ended the programs. I don’t want social security, but I’ll pay for other to receive it if that means this nation does devolve into a 3rd world country because our politicians are to stupid to fix the most pressing issue in our lives instead worrying about their elections.

Oh and the looming housing market…who said you deserve a house? That’s baby boomer talk.

Google IOUSA and watch it.

Chris
[/quote]

Yeah go join the most socialist program America has , the military . And that insurance program that all those old people paid for is now going to ruin the country, I am sorry this person is mentally challenged

[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:
Im 23 yrs old,Im in college and I already feel like my life is over before it even began. Im faced with debts,unemployment,the looming housing market,and no possibility of having any hope for retirement. This is a problem caused by people that were too fucking greedy and thinking about themselves. I’m by no means asking for a handout,and I know alot of people that feel the same way,but I feel cheated out of opportunities that were handed to generations before mine. Older people might not understand,I don’t expect them too either,Baby Boomers are the ones that caused this whole mess and us (my generation) and our kids generations are going to pay for it. Yeah we’re fucking bitter and we are finally doing something about.[/quote]

This is a defeatist mental problem more than anything.

[quote]Adam Bomb wrote:
Quad you need to sack the fuck up, it’s only over if you decide it’s over. I’m only 5 years older than you, I’m a real estate broker, have investment properties, and bust my ass every day 8am-8pm, NOTHING has been handed to me or given to me. I moved 1600 miles from my family when I was 20 on my own with no financial support to make something of myself.

All I hear from so many people in their 20’s is Wah Wah Wah I’m entitled to 100K a year salary and I don’t feel I need to EARN it.

What was handed to baby boomers? Most of them went to war when they were in their late teens and early 20’s, learned a trade, came home and worked hard.
[/quote]

This post got me thinking about upbringing. Like you, I left the house at 18 and went to college 1500 miles away to get an education and learn to live on my own. My parents, especially my father, intentionally avoided giving advise and always encouraged me to figure things out for myself. Often, when I’d ask for advise, my father’s maddening response would be – “Punt”. Why couldn’t he just f’en tell me the best thing to do?

Fast forward to the kids of the 80’s and 90’s, whose lives were micromanaged by their soccar moms. I think of my nieces and nephews who talk to their mom everyday they are away at school. Mom’s got a bossy opinion about everything. Mom helps them pack everything in their suitcase. Mom’s got lists. Guess what? 3 of them graduated from college and are home living with mom wondering why they don’t have high paying jobs, homes, etc. Although they are almost 30, they have not had the chance to go out on their own and screw up and figure out how to correct (and avoid) their own mistakes.

Is it just me and my immediate worldview or could today’s kids be suffering from an overly pampered upbringing…to their detriment? They seem to be passively clueless.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:
Im 23 yrs old,Im in college and I already feel like my life is over before it even began. Im faced with debts,unemployment,the looming housing market,and no possibility of having any hope for retirement. This is a problem caused by people that were too fucking greedy and thinking about themselves. I’m by no means asking for a handout,and I know alot of people that feel the same way,but I feel cheated out of opportunities that were handed to generations before mine. Older people might not understand,I don’t expect them too either,Baby Boomers are the ones that caused this whole mess and us (my generation) and our kids generations are going to pay for it. Yeah we’re fucking bitter and we are finally doing something about.[/quote]

Your 23 and worried about retirement. Open a Roth IRA and dump every available penny you can into it. It’ll add up. I’m not bitter and I’m only 25. If you are in such a bad place join the military like I did. Free housing and great experience. Plus they pay for college. This is a viable option for many people, but most don’t want to have to work that hard at such a young age.

You can blame the baby boomers all you want, but it wont fix anything. If you want to be mad at someone be mad at the people that make the laws. They are the ones that waste the majority of OUR money.

Medicare, medicaid, and Social Security are the three greatest drains on this nation and will destroy us if they are not fixed. You and I being in our mid 20’s don’t deserve social security, medicare, or medicaid and if I had my way we would pick a cut off age and then pay for it until the last person at the cut off date died and effectively ended the programs. I don’t want social security, but I’ll pay for other to receive it if that means this nation does devolve into a 3rd world country because our politicians are to stupid to fix the most pressing issue in our lives instead worrying about their elections.

Oh and the looming housing market…who said you deserve a house? That’s baby boomer talk.

Google IOUSA and watch it.

Chris
[/quote]

Yeah go join the most socialist program America has , the military . And that insurance program that all those old people paid for is now going to ruin the country, I am sorry this person is mentally challenged [/quote]

At least the military is an actual duty of the U.S. Government.

Really those old people paid for their insurance program. I’m pretty sure that isn’t how it works. I am paying for those old people’s insurance just like they paid for the previous generations insurance and so on since inception.

You also obviously did not read my post as I specifically said I am willing to pay for their insurance needs and not receive them myself.

The people who make the laws are bought and sold all day long by the elite wealthy people that are being protested.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:
Im 23 yrs old,Im in college and I already feel like my life is over before it even began. Im faced with debts,unemployment,the looming housing market,and no possibility of having any hope for retirement. This is a problem caused by people that were too fucking greedy and thinking about themselves. I’m by no means asking for a handout,and I know alot of people that feel the same way,but I feel cheated out of opportunities that were handed to generations before mine. Older people might not understand,I don’t expect them too either,Baby Boomers are the ones that caused this whole mess and us (my generation) and our kids generations are going to pay for it. Yeah we’re fucking bitter and we are finally doing something about.[/quote]

Your 23 and worried about retirement. Open a Roth IRA and dump every available penny you can into it. It’ll add up. I’m not bitter and I’m only 25. If you are in such a bad place join the military like I did. Free housing and great experience. Plus they pay for college. This is a viable option for many people, but most don’t want to have to work that hard at such a young age.

You can blame the baby boomers all you want, but it wont fix anything. If you want to be mad at someone be mad at the people that make the laws. They are the ones that waste the majority of OUR money.

Medicare, medicaid, and Social Security are the three greatest drains on this nation and will destroy us if they are not fixed. You and I being in our mid 20’s don’t deserve social security, medicare, or medicaid and if I had my way we would pick a cut off age and then pay for it until the last person at the cut off date died and effectively ended the programs. I don’t want social security, but I’ll pay for other to receive it if that means this nation does devolve into a 3rd world country because our politicians are to stupid to fix the most pressing issue in our lives instead worrying about their elections.

Oh and the looming housing market…who said you deserve a house? That’s baby boomer talk.

Google IOUSA and watch it.

Chris
[/quote]

Yeah go join the most socialist program America has , the military . And that insurance program that all those old people paid for is now going to ruin the country, I am sorry this person is mentally challenged [/quote]

The image is from the documentary IOUSA. Maybe they are right and maybe they are wrong, but I doubt their projection is so far off that you can honestly say the programs I listed are not hurting the country.

We need real solutions not, “this person is mentally challenged.”

At least I presented a possible solution, what’s yours?

[quote]WideGuy wrote:
Ahh amazing how full of shit some you are here. Even better yet is the "if you don’t agree with me then you are a pussy/or you can go fuck yourself "responce that is reposted in one way or another over and over.

The way I see it is there are two kinds of people. Those who loved George Carlin and those who are jerkoffs. Feel free to let us know where you fall.[/quote]

Ah…intellectually honest, I see. Giving false dichotomies, saying that people are full of shit for bad mouthing someone, when at the top of the thread you were telling sloth that you wanted to say something about his mother and how everyone that disagrees with you, who you labeled as “republicans” should swallow a hard one, choke, croak, and die.

P.S. What’s a George Carlin?

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]WideGuy wrote:
Ahh amazing how full of shit some you are here. Even better yet is the "if you don’t agree with me then you are a pussy/or you can go fuck yourself "responce that is reposted in one way or another over and over.

The way I see it is there are two kinds of people. Those who loved George Carlin and those who are jerkoffs. Feel free to let us know where you fall.[/quote]

Ah…intellectually honest, I see. Giving false dichotomies, saying that people are full of shit for bad mouthing someone, when at the top of the thread you were telling sloth that you wanted to say something about his mother and how everyone that disagrees with you, who you labeled as “republicans” should swallow a hard one, choke, croak, and die.

P.S. What’s a George Carlin?[/quote]

Carlin is a very funny and now dead comedian. You would probably not like him. He was about as against religion as any comedian I’ve ever heard.

[quote]WideGuy wrote:
The people who make the laws are bought and sold all day long by the elite wealthy people that are being protested.[/quote]

I agree which is why our political system needs to be completely revamped.

If I was in charge:

  1. I would make every single political office voluntary. Officials would get a check for cost of living and that’s it. The president wouldn’t get anything since he has a roof over his head and is fed, clothed, and taken everywhere he needs to go.

  2. Give officials a modest retirement program for their service, but certainly not pay them when their time is up.

  3. Term limits for every office. No career politicians.

  4. Restructure Federal programs so that only people that absolutely need them can use them. Not the fat guy that has 9 kids that doesn’t want to work at McDonald because it’s beneath him.

These are just a few, but I truly believe just by eliminating career politicians, the two parties, and making holding office voluntary a large percentage of the problems in Washington COULD be fixed.

I mean how can Nancy Pelosi or John McCain, 2 career politician, really understand what a low/working/middle class American needs when they themselves are not any of these things.

My .02 cents
Chris

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Yeah go join the most socialist program America has , the military[/quote]

The military is not a socialist program - it does not have a policy goal of redistributing wealth.

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

Also, good to see you back on the boards Thunderbolt.[/quote]

Kind words, thanks. I don’t have much time, but election-time and its run-up tends to be the most interesting time around PWI (or at least, it did).

In light of these “protests” and what is somewhat fair but clearly misdirected anger, I’d offer Madison’s words in Federalist #62. In discussing the importance of a Senate to provide some level of calm and order to legislating, government, etc., Madison explained the ills of arbitrary and unstable government:

[i]To trace the mischievous effects of a mutable government would fill a volume. I will hint a few only, each of which will be perceived to be a source of innumerable others.

In the first place, it forfeits the respect and confidence of other nations, and all the advantages connected with national character. An individual who is observed to be inconstant to his plans, or perhaps to carry on his affairs without any plan at all, is marked at once, by all prudent people, as a speedy victim to his own unsteadiness and folly. His more friendly neighbors may pity him, but all will decline to connect their fortunes with his; and not a few will seize the opportunity of making their fortunes out of his. One nation is to another what one individual is to another; with this melancholy distinction perhaps, that the former, with fewer of the benevolent emotions than the latter, are under fewer restraints also from taking undue advantage from the indiscretions of each other. Every nation, consequently, whose affairs betray a want of wisdom and stability, may calculate on every loss which can be sustained from the more systematic policy of their wiser neighbors. But the best instruction on this subject is unhappily conveyed to America by the example of her own situation. She finds that she is held in no respect by her friends; that she is the derision of her enemies; and that she is a prey to every nation which has an interest in speculating on her fluctuating councils and embarrassed affairs.

The internal effects of a mutable policy are still more calamitous. It poisons the blessing of liberty itself. It will be of little avail to the people, that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is to-day, can guess what it will be to-morrow. Law is defined to be a rule of action; but how can that be a rule, which is little known, and less fixed?

Another effect of public instability is the unreasonable advantage it gives to the sagacious, the enterprising, and the moneyed few over the industrious and uniformed mass of the people. Every new regulation concerning commerce or revenue, or in any way affecting the value of the different species of property, presents a new harvest to those who watch the change, and can trace its consequences; a harvest, reared not by themselves, but by the toils and cares of the great body of their fellow-citizens. This is a state of things in which it may be said with some truth that laws are made for the few, not for the many.

In another point of view, great injury results from an unstable government. The want of confidence in the public councils damps every useful undertaking, the success and profit of which may depend on a continuance of existing arrangements. What prudent merchant will hazard his fortunes in any new branch of commerce when he knows not but that his plans may be rendered unlawful before they can be executed? What farmer or manufacturer will lay himself out for the encouragement given to any particular cultivation or establishment, when he can have no assurance that his preparatory labors and advances will not render him a victim to an inconstant government? In a word, no great improvement or laudable enterprise can go forward which requires the auspices of a steady system of national policy.

But the most deplorable effect of all is that diminution of attachment and reverence which steals into the hearts of the people, towards a political system which betrays so many marks of infirmity, and disappoints so many of their flattering hopes. No government, any more than an individual, will long be respected without being truly respectable; nor be truly respectable, without possessing a certain portion of order and stability.[/i]

Take a keen look - if you wonder why businesses aren’t hiring, look no further than this explanation. What business-owner is going to hire new workers when the results of new Frank-Dodd legislation and ObamaCare still up in the air?

ObamaCare was (originally) passed with a punitive 1099 tax that would cripple small businesses - it was added for no other reason than to make the initial cost score more favorable (since it generates so much revenue) to make ObamaCare look like it didn’t add a trillion dollars to the deficit. You’re a small business owner about to get vaporized by this tax - why hire someone when you may not be able to afford them after you get blitzed?

What about the mass of regulations that are yet to come down - how much will they cost? You’re a business owner - - what reason do you have to take money and hire someone that you might very well have to fire when you realize the new regulations eat up their salary?

And note Madison’s other point - the perverse consequence of all this wild legislation (and its complicated and arbitrary regulatory schemes) is that is benefits the already wealthy, not the little guy.

Employers don’t owe anyone jobs - they will hire you if (1) there is work to do, and (2) you are the best candidate. Because of the uncertainty in the market, there’s no #1. And camping out in the financial district in Manhattan won’t change that in the slightest.

So now I don’t know if we covered it between page 2 and 7 but the reason Barry hasn’t penalized “Wall Street and the Corporations” is because they’re his biggest campaign contributors.

Further, I hear the French Foreign Legion is hiring… Open to ages 17-45. I’ll be damned if that’s not what my fall back plan is if I ever shit the bed. Then, after your service, you can join a PMC and make high 5 to low 6 figures.
But that’s probably too much work (OMG, I have to do something physical and dangerous, what am I, an animal?) for the 99% crowd

[quote]benos4752 wrote:
» Occupy Wall Street ?Stands In Solidarity? With Obama Front Group Alex Jones’ Infowars
http://www.infowars.com/occupy-wall-street-stands-in-solidarity-with-obama-front-group/[/quote]

Don’t be surprised by this. This whole thing was ginned up by Obama to wage class ware fare. First it’s “hope and change” and now it’s “rage and rail.”

Most politicians make my skin crawl but Obama has taken the entire pack to a new low.

[quote]malonetd wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
No. You’re supposed to understand that “Just work hard and you’ll be fine!” is a myth, that hardworking, educated people getting fucked over all the time.[/quote]

No, it’s not a myth. Yes, some people do get fucked over. That’s life and that’s going to happen. It’s bound to happen to everybody in varying degrees. And, yes, sometimes all the hard work in the world just won’t help someone. But these people are the exceptions with exceptional circumstances. The vast majority of people would live richer, fuller lives if they did work a little harder and held themselves accountable for their actions.
[/quote]

â??in 1960, only 20 percent of mothers worked. Today, 70 percent of American children live in households where all adults are employed.â??

“In the U.S., 85.8 percent of males and 66.5 percent of females work more than 40 hours per week.”

"According to the ILO, â??Americans work 137 more hours per year than Japanese workers, 260 more hours per year than British workers, and 499 more hours per year than French workers.â??

There’s more stats like this out there – clearly, the answer is that americans just aren’t working hard enough, right?

Oh oh oh, no, I get it, what they SHOULD do is go to school and get educated so they can get BETTER JOBS (since its their own fault for settling for a shitty job). But you know what that means? Student - fucking - loans.

Which, of course, when they’re with college and drowning in student loan debt, will be their own stupid fault for having.

So, you work a shitty job, and its your fault. Or, you take out loans to go to school, and if there isn’t work in your field when you get out, its your fault.

Lets ignore the bankers and government who are responsible for the shitty economy. Blame the workers for “not working hard enough”.

Let me ask you something, mal. You have kids, right? Even if not, just pretend for a second. You have kids, they go to school. In a particular class, one or two kids complains about the homework, doesn’t work hard in class, and they fail. The answer to that is simple - they should have worked harder. Or, maybe they just didn’t understand the material and need a remedial class.

But what about if 3/4ths of the class is overwhelmed by the workload? Or is failing because they don’t understand the material? At what point can you reasonably say “Ok, maybe the problem isn’t with the kids, its with the teacher or the curriculum”?

How many Americans need to be unemployed/underemployed, uninsured/underinsured, homeless, relying on friends/relatives, etc, before you say “Ok, maybe the problem isn’t the individuals, but the economy and those responsible for damaging it”?

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

But in fairness to the vast bulk of the young people at these “protests”, they have been sold a false bill of goods by their elders about money, employment, property, and success. They’ve been told that a college degree provides instant economic security, then they are provided easy money to get the college degree that provides instant economic security.

Basically, they’ve been told that (1) the means is easy, and (2) the end is easy (and basically guaranteed). They don’t know where money comes from, and they have no concept of “paying your dues” - they all feel entitled to great, professional, fulfilling careers that pay well with great benefits and great vacations, and they feel shamed if along they way they have to get dirt under the fingernails.[/quote]

I don’t think this is exactly true. My generation has been brought up on antiquated logic - that is, if you have a degree, you will have good job opportunities. This may have been true in previous generations, but it’s not true now.

Now, even with a degree, it’s unlikely there is a good job waiting in your field - because either you’re holding a degree in a field with no jobs, or there are good jobs in the field which are already taken by all the other people who got the same degree.

The opportunities just aren’t there to the extent they were for your generation. Please stop trying to pin the entirety of the problem on “Damn kids these days.”