Let’s see - one of our economic problems and causes of unemployment is the weakness in consumer spending…
…so the OWS has decided to interrupt the biggest day of the year for consumer spending.
As if we needed one, another clear indication that the OWS types are not just “regular guys” unhappy that the “American dream” is slipping away. [/quote]
I don’t really support this type of activity, but you seem to be missing the point they are making. You are a educated guy, so may I ask why you are doing this?
From their page:
"The Point of “Occupy Black Friday” is simple. To give money to others besides those who are currently using theirs to corrupt the politics of our nations (you know kind of the whole point of the OWS movement)
I don’t really support this type of activity, but you seem to be missing the point they are making. You are a educated guy, so may I ask why you are doing this?
From their page:
"The Point of “Occupy Black Friday” is simple. To give money to others besides those who are currently using theirs to corrupt the politics of our nations (you know kind of the whole point of the OWS movement) [/quote]
No, I get their point just fine - I am pointing out that their actions are contradictory to the ideas and preferences of the “99%” they so adamantly claim to represent. The legitimate “99%” is not interested in “shutting down Black Friday” - and the OWS crowd’s mission is their own.
Your fanboyism could use a dose of critical thinking.
I don’t really support this type of activity, but you seem to be missing the point they are making. You are a educated guy, so may I ask why you are doing this?
From their page:
"The Point of “Occupy Black Friday” is simple. To give money to others besides those who are currently using theirs to corrupt the politics of our nations (you know kind of the whole point of the OWS movement) [/quote]
No, I get their point just fine - I am pointing out that their actions are contradictory to the ideas and preferences of the “99%” they so adamantly claim to represent. The legitimate “99%” is not interested in “shutting down Black Friday” - and the OWS crowd’s mission is their own.
Your fanboyism could use a dose of critical thinking.[/quote]
Try posting again without the anger and with some critical thought of your own and I might reply… or don’t bother. It’s not interesting to argue with someone who is only interested in swatting down straw-men.
To give money to others =/= “shutting down Black Friday”
Well, they do serve as a reminder that, under Obama, things are bad…
I have to wonder if some of the early Democratic OWS supporters are starting to wish they’d knock it off until the election is over. Can’t get much of a success narrative going when you got the Tea-Party and OWS telling everyone things are screwed up under your watch. Could the OWS end up depressing Democrat turnout?
Try posting again without the anger and with some critical thought of your own and I might reply… or don’t bother. It’s not interesting to argue with someone who is only interested in swatting down straw-men. [/quote]
I’m not angry, and there is no straw-man - I told you what my opinion was, I did not misrepresent what yours was.
Read the link provided: they want to “occupy” and protest big retailers in addition to encouraging boycotting. You can have fun at the site “Stop Black Friday!” that has been set up.
My point is not that it is a good mission or a bad mission (though I think it is dumb) - it’s that it ain’t the mission of the real 99%, who will be occupying big retailers to spend their money and will be happy to do so.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong (I very well may be) but did big retailers contribute to the economic collapse?
Did major retailers receive bailouts?
How would hurting their sales help people get better jobs?
And how would hurting sales at these establishments help the “99%”… many of which probably worked at one of these retailers?[/quote]
It won’t at all, this will only effect the poor working grunts the ones the occupoopers claim they represent. The CEO’s will still get their money, but Sally at Walmart might be let go because the profits that would make or break the staffing decisions aren’t enough and she is lowest on the totem poll.
Los Angeles politicians try to bribe Occu-Poo Los Angeles with incentives.
“Officials have been quietly searching for common ground with Occupy representatives for several weeks, culminating in a highly unusual offer announced by protesters Monday: If the campers move off the City Hall lawn, the city will lease them work space for $1 a year, as well as provide land for protesters to garden.”
This has an estimated value of $180k per year, being given to the smelly people for $1.
I swear, we have THE WORST FUCKING GOVERNMENT BODY IN THE HISTORY OF THE US.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Los Angeles politicians try to bribe Occu-Poo Los Angeles with incentives.
“Officials have been quietly searching for common ground with Occupy representatives for several weeks, culminating in a highly unusual offer announced by protesters Monday: If the campers move off the City Hall lawn, the city will lease them work space for $1 a year, as well as provide land for protesters to garden.”
This has an estimated value of $180k per year, being given to the smelly people for $1.
I swear, we have THE WORST FUCKING GOVERNMENT BODY IN THE HISTORY OF THE US.
I like this one myself an a flea partier living in a $700 a night hotel yep he is the 99%
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong (I very well may be) but did big retailers contribute to the economic collapse?
Did major retailers receive bailouts?[/quote]
No and no.
[quote]How would hurting their sales help people get better jobs?
And how would hurting sales at these establishments help the “99%”… many of which probably worked at one of these retailers?[/quote]
Great questions.
Personally, I hate Black Friday. And, I really prefer to spend money at smaller, locally owned shops versus big retailers.
But the idea of “protesting” Big Retail to put a big hit in their “oversized” profits to end their unfair position in the political process (yeah, because the Dollar Tree and Abercrombie & Fitch own a bunch of U.S. Senators) is silly - and most importantly, it isn’t middle class politics.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong (I very well may be) but did big retailers contribute to the economic collapse?
Did major retailers receive bailouts?[/quote]
No and no.
[quote]How would hurting their sales help people get better jobs?
And how would hurting sales at these establishments help the “99%”… many of which probably worked at one of these retailers?[/quote]
Great questions.
Personally, I hate Black Friday. And, I really prefer to spend money at smaller, locally owned shops versus big retailers.
[/quote]
I do the same…
But, a lot of middle class people work at large retailers…I still don’t understand how boycotting ANYTHING that is a corporate entity is going to help bring back “the american dream”
I would like to hear from CapTanPlanet or somebody who was vocally behind these movements and have them explain this boycott.
What if their neighbor was the manager of a GAP??..now the OCCUPY motto is “fingerblast anybody who works for a company that is in the 7 digits of gross income”
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Los Angeles politicians try to bribe Occu-Poo Los Angeles with incentives.
“Officials have been quietly searching for common ground with Occupy representatives for several weeks, culminating in a highly unusual offer announced by protesters Monday: If the campers move off the City Hall lawn, the city will lease them work space for $1 a year, as well as provide land for protesters to garden.”
This has an estimated value of $180k per year, being given to the smelly people for $1.
I swear, we have THE WORST FUCKING GOVERNMENT BODY IN THE HISTORY OF THE US.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Los Angeles politicians try to bribe Occu-Poo Los Angeles with incentives.
“Officials have been quietly searching for common ground with Occupy representatives for several weeks, culminating in a highly unusual offer announced by protesters Monday: If the campers move off the City Hall lawn, the city will lease them work space for $1 a year, as well as provide land for protesters to garden.”
This has an estimated value of $180k per year, being given to the smelly people for $1.
I swear, we have THE WORST FUCKING GOVERNMENT BODY IN THE HISTORY OF THE US.
[/quote]
LOL California…[/quote]
I can’t wait til I get my degree and can high tail my ass away from this clusterfuck…
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Well, they do serve as a reminder that, under Obama, things are bad…
I have to wonder if some of the early Democratic OWS supporters are starting to wish they’d knock it off until the election is over. Can’t get much of a success narrative going when you got the Tea-Party and OWS telling everyone things are screwed up under your watch. Could the OWS end up depressing Democrat turnout? [/quote]
I don’t know if OWS will depress turnout, but I would be surprised if the turnout is high for this election. On the right, there are a number of poor candidates, none of which seem to be getting much long-term support. The religious right normally puts out good numbers to the polls, I think. I don’t know that they will for Romney (although they might if a 3rd party guy comes out). On the left, as you say, there is a lot of disillusion with Obama. He didn’t turn out to be as far left as the left would like, and he isn’t as effective as the middle will like. Everyone in the country seems to really hate politics/politicians right now. I think that will suppress turnout. OWS might be a part of that.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong (I very well may be) but did big retailers contribute to the economic collapse?
Did major retailers receive bailouts?
How would hurting their sales help people get better jobs?
And how would hurting sales at these establishments help the “99%”… many of which probably worked at one of these retailers?[/quote]
I think the basic argument is to support “local” whether that be your church, your community, or your city. The argument being that you personally will receive a greater benefit from buying from your “neighbor” than you will from the money you save by buying at the “big” stores. I’m not sure what I think about this, what do you think?
Sloth, I vaguely remember you (I think it was you) making an argument to support local communities before this OWS stuff came out. I think it was an argument for “community above consumer” or something like that. If you have time, I think it would be interesting to see what you (and perhaps the religious right) feel(s) about this.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Well, they do serve as a reminder that, under Obama, things are bad…
I have to wonder if some of the early Democratic OWS supporters are starting to wish they’d knock it off until the election is over. Can’t get much of a success narrative going when you got the Tea-Party and OWS telling everyone things are screwed up under your watch. Could the OWS end up depressing Democrat turnout? [/quote]
I don’t know if OWS will depress turnout, but I would be surprised if the turnout is high for this election. On the right, there are a number of poor candidates, none of which seem to be getting much long-term support. The religious right normally puts out good numbers to the polls, I think. I don’t know that they will for Romney (although they might if a 3rd party guy comes out). On the left, as you say, there is a lot of disillusion with Obama. He didn’t turn out to be as far left as the left would like, and he isn’t as effective as the middle will like. Everyone in the country seems to really hate politics/politicians right now. I think that will suppress turnout. OWS might be a part of that. [/quote]Not bad man. I pretty much agree. I will add that the “middle”, which are the one group I have absolutely zero respect for, tragically decide every election. Blessedly though, the “middle” does seem to sport a rather large contingent of political ignoramuses who are nonetheless possessed of a sound enough sense of self preservation to pragmatically lean decidedly right while abhorring the very thought. Hence, political ignoramuses.
Listening to them talk is painful. Reminds me of the live exit polling during the 92 election when people were saying they were for lower taxes and less government and that’s why they voted for Clinton. Then again Bush 1 had an 80 plus approval rating 8 months before the election too so the political acuity of the convictionless “middle” is not to be overestimated.
I’m so sick of these whiny fucks. Hurting businesses and jobs while pushing a socialist agenda that no one with two brain cells to rub together wants. I have no shame, I’ll say it, I hope these dumbasses do try to occupy private party and get taken out violently.
