They are mad that wall street got bailouts and now they want individual bailouts for stupid student loans? Thats ridiculous
wow…
the level of hate for humanity in this thread is AMAZINGLY HIGH!
i’m glad you guys aren’t my friends.
OCCUPY E STREET!
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Oh geeze. Seriously, if this guy has collected 1 dime of Financial Aid, get it back. We can produce 4th graders with these kind of reasoning skills for much cheaper.[/quote]
Oh dear. But, his admission has a fantastic cleansing effect and captures the spirit of the “movement” it seems: “I want lots of stuff, and I want it paid for by other people”.
[quote]benos4752 wrote:
Sean Hannity: I had quite a lot of student loans. I spent ten years paying them off. I know what it’s like.
Libtard caller: And how did you feel about that?
Hannity: Like I chose to borrow the money and had an obligation to pay it back.
Libtard: sigh No.
Hannity: No?
Libtard: This government could cut it’s military spending in half and put it towards education…(continues with liberal nonsense).
Slightly paraphrased…[/quote]
I heard this on the way home from my gasp job, you forgot to mention she is 37yrs old and is still in school living off of welfare and student loans, and has never held a job in her careers also she has an 8yr old who is in school while she “occupies”. She also corrected Hannity and informed him she was not a protestor but an “occupier”.
She was like an older female Van Wilder
[quote]LaPointe wrote:
wow…
the level of hate for humanity in this thread is AMAZINGLY HIGH!
i’m glad you guys aren’t my friends.
OCCUPY E STREET![/quote]
Not hate for humanity…just hate for lazy, entitled assholes…who are protesting in front of the wrong building…they are 227 miles to the NORTH of where they should be marching if they want some accountability.
Head South o’ seekers of free money!!
[quote]LaPointe wrote:
the level of hate for humanity in this thread is AMAZINGLY HIGH!
[/quote]
I love humanity.
Freeloaders that want handouts, defecate on cop cars, and chant “kill the Jews” at me,* however, are hated.
The economic ignorance of the crowd is shocking. Well, not really shocking. They’re useful idiots, and so, by definition, stupid.
- Despite protests to the contrary on this thread, the anti-semitism of this crowd is very high and very hostile, as is fairly common among socialist movements. It’s happened every time I’ve had the joy of getting anywhere near these people.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
I love humanity.
Freeloaders that want handouts, defecate on cop cars, and chant “kill the Jews” at me,* however, are hated.
The economic ignorance of the crowd is shocking. Well, not really shocking. They’re useful idiots, and so, by definition, stupid.
- Despite protests to the contrary on this thread, the anti-semitism of this crowd is very high and very hostile, as is fairly common among socialist movements. It’s happened every time I’ve had the joy of getting anywhere near these people.[/quote]
Jewbacca, we all know you actually have gainful employment, but any reports and anecdotes from the scene in New York is much appreciated. Sunlight is always the best disinfectant.
[quote]benos4752 wrote:
The PJ Tatler �» Occupy L.A. Speaker: Violence will be Necessary to Achieve Our Goals
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/10/11/occupy-l-a-speaker-violence-will-be-necessary-to-achieve-our-goals/
Bring it.[/quote]
The DNC is seriously going to regret their flirtation with this movement. And where the heck is the media? The same media that cropped an image of a black man with a rifle in order to start up some narrative about armed right-wing white militia men making up the Tea-Party? You have the tea-party–for whatever it’s real faults may be–that produced nothing more disruptive than organization at the ballot box, and then you have this mess.
Average, well-adjusted salt of the earth, who cleaned up after themselves, had virtually zero disruptive impact, simply opposed runaway spending (including the bailouts, before it became popular), and all of this in a family friendly atmosphere. Then you have this free love, filthy, socialist heavy, disruptive, murmuring of violence, freak fest. I’d put money on this devolving into trespass and building occupations. Window smashing and looting. Vandalism and rock throwing. Hopefully a hard freeze comes in soon and chases them out.
[quote]LaPointe wrote:
wow…
the level of hate for humanity in this thread is AMAZINGLY HIGH!
i’m glad you guys aren’t my friends.
OCCUPY E STREET![/quote]
I thought about it and if this is the best humanity has to offer, disgust and pity is probably more accurate.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’ve got nothing against protesting, but here’s my problem. These people are so mad at the “Wall Street” people, but really what do they represent? A very small portion of the economy. How many of the investors on Wall Street are considered super rich? My guess is very few. Most of the investors are well off, but not rich by any means. Then you have the hate for CEO’s. Men and women that have devoted their lives to their careers. Do they make in some cases an enormous amount of money? Absolutely, but why shouldn’t they. Google, for example, is a multi billion dollar corporation why shouldn’t the CEO, the person that steers the multi billion dollar ship, get a few million in compensation. When compared to Google’s income CEO compensation is a small percentage of corporate expenses. At the same time these protestors are in love with the corporations they claim to hate. How many of them use Facebook on their Iphone to organize the protest? During the protests over a million pre-orders for the Iphone 4s have been placed. America loves this stuff and my guess is so do many of the protestors.
The bottom line is many of these protestors are kids. They have never worked a crap job, they have never paid into unemployment (yet collect it), they are 40 years from retirement, but are crying about retirement, they are crying about a lack of jobs, they are crying about few opportunities, they are crying they got lied into going to college and taking on debt, but the truth is there are jobs out there for them, but they feel entitled to higher paying jobs. Entitlement is the problem with these protests.
“It’s not fair that the Wall Street guy is rich. We should get that money”. That’s the message I get from these protestors.
I’m sure some of the protestors have a point and have been shit on by corporate greed. It exists for sure and I am not defending corporations or fraudulent activities of investors. I just don’t agree with the protestors message. [/quote]
Thanks for coming from a different viewpoint without simply flaming. I expected to catch a bunch of heat for my post but I guess the titties staved that off a little haha. But I don’t think it’s just “entitlement” per se that fuels the protests. No doubt, not everyone in the protests is Einstein or Isaac Newton, but really, who is in any protest? You don’t need to be Alan Greenspan to be mad at the situation the country’s in right now. And you don’t need to be an economist to realize how badly you’re getting fucked by the system every day. Or know that you’re losing your house, your job, or that the game is rigged.
It’s been said in this forum that, “if the bailouts are the problem, protest the Obama administration in D.C.” That comment has some merit, but the truth is, nearly EVERY President (and certainly every recent President, not to mention nearly EVERY member of Congress, and even a Supreme Court judge or two) has been completely bought and sold by the corporations and multinational banks. Ever notice how Obama made all those promises about all those great liberal things he was going to fight for and do for the country but never made good on? That’s because Goldmann Sachs gave him $1 million during his presidential campaign, and now Timothy Geitner (sp?) is his Secretary of the Treasury. It’s no surprise there haven’t been sweeping reforms that our financial system desperately needs.
Also, the last President to ever fight against the constant expansion of the country’s military industrial complex, or to expose the secret forces behind the government that really run the show, got shot in the fucking head. Pretty powerful reason to do the corporation’s bidding, huh? So it’s more important to go after the source - the banks and the corporations - rather than the puppets - the politicians.
A good quote I found by Elizabeth Warren is in the picture above (if you couldn’t tell before haha)
[quote]Viking13 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
A good quote I found by Elizabeth Warren is in the picture above (if you couldn’t tell before haha)[/quote][/quote]
Awful quote, but superficially plausible I guess.
When’s OWS going to go to Buffet’s house?
Warren Buffet May Owe A Billion Dollars In Back Taxes - HUMAN EVENTS
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45889
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
One other thing I’ve been pondering since paying attention to OWS and its satellite protests: the purported major complaint/theme (if you can say there is one) is anger at corporate bailouts. That’s fine. But a few questions:
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Why now? The bulk of the bailouts occurred in 2008. We are closing in on 2012. Where was this outrage in 2008? Or at least 2009? How about 2010? I know the “movement” is unfocused, but the timing is odd, even suspect.
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Is there a protest going on in Detroit at the doorsteps of General Motors and Chrysler? if not, why not?
[/quote]
These are both fair questions and I’ve wondered what has taken so long for people to realize this (especially pertaining to question 1).
I draw parallels to your question(s) to that of the birth of the Tea Party movement. What took these people so long to figure out that we get the piss taxed out of us and the government is too large and intrusive (not to mention the government’s relationship to Big Business). People who would have never recognized themselves as libertarians now hold the title as a badge of honor.
It can’t only be because Obama was elected.
It’s obvious both groups (Tea Party and Occupy) have legit grievances, but what they are protesting is old news.
Better late than never is how I look at it.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Viking13 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
A good quote I found by Elizabeth Warren is in the picture above (if you couldn’t tell before haha)[/quote]
Awful quote, but superficially plausible I guess.[/quote]
Lol how is it awful? And how is it only superficially plausible?
[quote]Viking13 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Viking13 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
A good quote I found by Elizabeth Warren is in the picture above (if you couldn’t tell before haha)[/quote]
Awful quote, but superficially plausible I guess.[/quote]
Lol how is it awful? And how is it only superficially plausible?[/quote][/quote]
Well, how would you feel if I mowed your lawn whether you wanted to or not, took three times as long as any other person mowing lawns and then went up to your door, demanding twice the money that you would pay on the free market and insist that you owe me?
Because that is what she does.
Also, very few people object to spending for roads, the police and fire departments, at least not in principle, its the other shit thats the problem.
Once she has called off the war on drugs, unnecessary wars, studies on how penis size affects gay relationships or the well being of sea otters, corn, ethanol and other farm subsidies, cut back entitlements programs so that they are sustainable and the military to a size that it would only gobble up 1/3 instead of 1/2 of the planets “defense” spending, then we could talk.
But then we would not have to have this talk, wouldnt we.
[quote]Viking13 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Viking13 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
A good quote I found by Elizabeth Warren is in the picture above (if you couldn’t tell before haha)[/quote]
Awful quote, but superficially plausible I guess.[/quote]
Lol how is it awful? And how is it only superficially plausible?[/quote]
It’s not plausible at all! Her statement is pure idiocy.
#1- Her argument presupposes that the factory owner hasn’t paid for the roads, when in fact he has probably paid much more in taxes than “the rest of us”.
#2- She also implies that the other people who pay taxes for the roads and infrastructure don’t use them, when in fact they do. She is implying that everyone else is paying for roads that only the factory owner gets to use, and he doesn’t pay for them. Complete bullshit.
#3- The arrogance that we will “allow” the factory owner to keep some of his profits. And if you heard this statement live, which I did, her contempt for businesspeople was clear in her tone.
#4- There is no such thing as a “social contract”. She can’t claim a contract and then invent the terms for others. That is not a contract, it is tyrrany.
It’s a simple tactic to pit you against this hypothetical “greedy” factory owner. No mention of the people the factory EMPLOYS. Easy trick, play on your emotions, plenty of people fell for it.
[quote]Viking13 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’ve got nothing against protesting, but here’s my problem. These people are so mad at the “Wall Street” people, but really what do they represent? A very small portion of the economy. How many of the investors on Wall Street are considered super rich? My guess is very few. Most of the investors are well off, but not rich by any means. Then you have the hate for CEO’s. Men and women that have devoted their lives to their careers. Do they make in some cases an enormous amount of money? Absolutely, but why shouldn’t they. Google, for example, is a multi billion dollar corporation why shouldn’t the CEO, the person that steers the multi billion dollar ship, get a few million in compensation. When compared to Google’s income CEO compensation is a small percentage of corporate expenses. At the same time these protestors are in love with the corporations they claim to hate. How many of them use Facebook on their Iphone to organize the protest? During the protests over a million pre-orders for the Iphone 4s have been placed. America loves this stuff and my guess is so do many of the protestors.
The bottom line is many of these protestors are kids. They have never worked a crap job, they have never paid into unemployment (yet collect it), they are 40 years from retirement, but are crying about retirement, they are crying about a lack of jobs, they are crying about few opportunities, they are crying they got lied into going to college and taking on debt, but the truth is there are jobs out there for them, but they feel entitled to higher paying jobs. Entitlement is the problem with these protests.
“It’s not fair that the Wall Street guy is rich. We should get that money”. That’s the message I get from these protestors.
I’m sure some of the protestors have a point and have been shit on by corporate greed. It exists for sure and I am not defending corporations or fraudulent activities of investors. I just don’t agree with the protestors message. [/quote]
Thanks for coming from a different viewpoint without simply flaming. I expected to catch a bunch of heat for my post but I guess the titties staved that off a little haha. But I don’t think it’s just “entitlement” per se that fuels the protests. No doubt, not everyone in the protests is Einstein or Isaac Newton, but really, who is in any protest? You don’t need to be Alan Greenspan to be mad at the situation the country’s in right now. And you don’t need to be an economist to realize how badly you’re getting fucked by the system every day. Or know that you’re losing your house, your job, or that the game is rigged.
It’s been said in this forum that, “if the bailouts are the problem, protest the Obama administration in D.C.” That comment has some merit, but the truth is, nearly EVERY President (and certainly every recent President, not to mention nearly EVERY member of Congress, and even a Supreme Court judge or two) has been completely bought and sold by the corporations and multinational banks. Ever notice how Obama made all those promises about all those great liberal things he was going to fight for and do for the country but never made good on? That’s because Goldmann Sachs gave him $1 million during his presidential campaign, and now Timothy Geitner (sp?) is his Secretary of the Treasury. It’s no surprise there haven’t been sweeping reforms that our financial system desperately needs.
Also, the last President to ever fight against the constant expansion of the country’s military industrial complex, or to expose the secret forces behind the government that really run the show, got shot in the fucking head. Pretty powerful reason to do the corporation’s bidding, huh? So it’s more important to go after the source - the banks and the corporations - rather than the puppets - the politicians.
A good quote I found by Elizabeth Warren is in the picture above (if you couldn’t tell before haha)[/quote]
This bitch represents real greed.
I don’t care how you feel about big corporations but at least I am not forced by threat of violence to use their products and pay for them even if I don’t want to use them.
This greedy bitch will take my money and give to people SHE deems more deserving than I. That’s real greed.
She can shove her social contract in her pie hole and choke on it.
Also, American roads are shit.
If an Austrian road had potholes I could park my car in, the responsible manager would commit seppukku on national television.
If she wants to play this card, she better deliver solid roads and bridges.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
These are both fair questions and I’ve wondered what has taken so long for people to realize this (especially pertaining to question 1).
I draw parallels to your question(s) to that of the birth of the Tea Party movement. What took these people so long to figure out that we get the piss taxed out of us and the government is too large and intrusive (not to mention the government’s relationship to Big Business). People who would have never recognized themselves as libertarians now hold the title as a badge of honor.[/quote]
What galvanized the Tea Party was the President’s demand that ObamaCare be passed prior to the August recess - that was a moment in time that sparked the movement. As many things as tea-party types had to complain about prior to that - scope of government, etc. - the President’s actions w/r/t ObamaCare was quite radical. Most forget that now, but a President demanding the passage of a transformative health care bill prior to the legislators’ ability to read what was in it marks something quite new and troublesome.
The OWS crowd has no such moment. Maybe the idle and bored that make up OWS finally - after a slow burn - got mad at their situation and decided to protest. That’s fine. But they are protesting yesterday’s news. Something doesn’t add up.