Occupy Wall Street

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[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
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Nothing says socialism!! like a real trendy Che Guevara T-shirt (probably made in a sweat shop).

Notice the dood in the boony cap in the background?

So anywho, where are all the dipshits who were earlier saying these protests consisted of nothing but a bunch of personal hygiene challenged hippies?[/quote]

They pretty much consist of exactly that. Naked folks, beating drums, socialists, trash, used condoms, body odor, pot smoke…it’s a joke. Wannabe hippies wasting time, wanting to saddle the rest of us with their 22/hr minimum wage talk, tuition forgiveness, and ‘free healthcare.’ Any johnny-come-latelys that hitch their wagon to this anarcho-syndicalist/progressive age-of-Aquarius doper fest only succeeds in swelling their numbers and discrediting their own supposedly non-socialist agendas.

They aren’t the 99%. They damn sure don’t speak for me. They have zero in common with me. Complaining about their taxpayer funded education, so we should take the hit and forgive their debt? The spoiled little brats had some fantasy that they’d get some oversupplied degree and then spend their lives as cutting edge artists. Go back home and start your own businesses. Cut lawns and trim some bushes. The immigrants around here can do that much. But not these trust fund kiddies with overvalued degrees, and their i-this, and their i-that. Go the hell home and stop interfering with the day to day businesses of people who work in the area. And hey, clean your mess up before you leave.

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Who do you Rothbarians think your fooling by parading out some cling-ons to this mess. There’s a reason big labor, lefty celebrities, and the progressive Democrat Party are all over this thing. And it doesn’t have a dang thing do with market solutions for health-care.

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Boston police beating Veterans? Well, the Boston police obviously don’t support the troops, and must also hate Amerika. Right?

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Seems about right.

FTR, I do not care for the current protests nor the democratic party, nor do I care for much of the tea party because I do not care much for the republican party.

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[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
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Nothing says socialism!! like a real trendy Che Guevara T-shirt (probably made in a sweat shop).

Notice the dood in the boony cap in the background?

So anywho, where are all the dipshits who were earlier saying these protests consisted of nothing but a bunch of personal hygiene challenged hippies?[/quote]

So you have one source who is there and obviously supports what is going on, they say it is legitimate and not promoted by the unions or organized by other social democratic groups.

oh stop the presses, everyone else is wrong.

What I would find funny is if the private group that owns the property being destroyed in manhattan hired a firm licensed to carry firearms in NYC to politely ask the protesters to get off the private property.

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I have posted tits to placate the anger at the length of my post haha:

If you rob a store, you go to jail.

If you rob the nation, you get a bonus.

I’ve just skimmed over this thread, but I’ve been pretty surprised at how conservative the posts have been. I, for one, welcome the Occupy Wall Street protests. The decision by the Supreme Court in favor of Citizens United, allowing corporations to funnel unlimited soft money to any candidates they choose as a form of political “speech” sounds like something out of an Orwellian nightmare.

Taken to the extreme (and with the giant purses of giant corporations, things will get extreme very quickly), elected officials will soon be bought wholesale by your friendly neighborhood corporate behemoth (as if they weren’t already). With dissent and disagreement drowned out by pacifying advertisements and mass media manipulation and with the politicians in their back pockets, there will be seemingly nothing stopping the corporations from brainwashing you into the perfect little consumer.

Corporate personhood (and therefore, unlimited campaign contributions) must end. At first, the idea of corporations being people makes sense - they’re made up of the interests of people, they can make money, buy and sell land, sue and be sued, etc. However, corporations don’t have bloodflow, they have cashflow. They don’t have thoughts or emotions, they have interests. They don’t have brains, they have boards of directors.

They don’t have friends and family, they have investors and shareholders. They don’t fuck and have babies, they have mergers. They don’t talk or write or sing or dance or paint, they make campaign donations. They don’t feel happiness, they have “casual Friday.” And they don’t die, they go bankrupt. Corporations are NOT people, and giving them unlimited campaign contribution potential makes their voice heard louder than any number of individuals and violates the 14th amendment - “equal protection under the law.” It has to stop.

The Supreme Court overruled Al Gore trying to get a recount of certain districts in Florida in the 2000 election because recounting the votes in some districts but not in others violates the 14th amendment - the recounted votes (“voices”) would be considered “more important” than the other votes, and that’s unconstitutional.

Likewise, multinational corporations and financial institutions funneling unlimited money to politicians makes their “voices” count more than any citizen’s and it flies in the face of over 150 years of legal precedent. If it isn’t overturned, we can expect to see even more examples of CEO’s of corporations and banks like AIG, Citigroup, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, etc. raking in billion dollar bonuses because their companies are “too big to fail” and get bailed out.

When was the last time you heard of the government bailing out an old lady who’s house gets foreclosed? Never. If it’s “too big to fail” then it’s too big to exist, and this will not come to an end until corporate personhood ends.

I’m going to be occupying Wall Street. I hope you will join me.

Flame away if you choose though (: Oh yeah, and I already foam rolled, tried hitting her, PIIHB, and even posted tits, so come at me bro :wink: haha The fine lady in the picture is September Carrino and her breasts are natural, 34 JJ. Enjoy!

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[quote]Viking13 wrote:
I have posted tits to placate the anger at the length of my post haha:

If you rob a store, you go to jail.

If you rob the nation, you get a bonus.

I’ve just skimmed over this thread, but I’ve been pretty surprised at how conservative the posts have been. I, for one, welcome the Occupy Wall Street protests. The decision by the Supreme Court in favor of Citizens United, allowing corporations to funnel unlimited soft money to any candidates they choose as a form of political “speech” sounds like something out of an Orwellian nightmare.

Taken to the extreme (and with the giant purses of giant corporations, things will get extreme very quickly), elected officials will soon be bought wholesale by your friendly neighborhood corporate behemoth (as if they weren’t already). With dissent and disagreement drowned out by pacifying advertisements and mass media manipulation and with the politicians in their back pockets, there will be seemingly nothing stopping the corporations from brainwashing you into the perfect little consumer.

Corporate personhood (and therefore, unlimited campaign contributions) must end. At first, the idea of corporations being people makes sense - they’re made up of the interests of people, they can make money, buy and sell land, sue and be sued, etc. However, corporations don’t have bloodflow, they have cashflow. They don’t have thoughts or emotions, they have interests. They don’t have brains, they have boards of directors.

They don’t have friends and family, they have investors and shareholders. They don’t fuck and have babies, they have mergers. They don’t talk or write or sing or dance or paint, they make campaign donations. They don’t feel happiness, they have “casual Friday.” And they don’t die, they go bankrupt. Corporations are NOT people, and giving them unlimited campaign contribution potential makes their voice heard louder than any number of individuals and violates the 14th amendment - “equal protection under the law.” It has to stop.

The Supreme Court overruled Al Gore trying to get a recount of certain districts in Florida in the 2000 election because recounting the votes in some districts but not in others violates the 14th amendment - the recounted votes (“voices”) would be considered “more important” than the other votes, and that’s unconstitutional.

Likewise, multinational corporations and financial institutions funneling unlimited money to politicians makes their “voices” count more than any citizen’s and it flies in the face of over 150 years of legal precedent. If it isn’t overturned, we can expect to see even more examples of CEO’s of corporations and banks like AIG, Citigroup, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, etc. raking in billion dollar bonuses because their companies are “too big to fail” and get bailed out.

When was the last time you heard of the government bailing out an old lady who’s house gets foreclosed? Never. If it’s “too big to fail” then it’s too big to exist, and this will not come to an end until corporate personhood ends.

I’m going to be occupying Wall Street. I hope you will join me.

Flame away if you choose though (: Oh yeah, and I already foam rolled, tried hitting her, PIIHB, and even posted tits, so come at me bro :wink: haha The fine lady in the picture is September Carrino and her breasts are natural, 34 JJ. Enjoy![/quote]

I’ve got nothing against protesting, but here’s my problem. These people are so mad at the “Wall Street” people, but really what do they represent? A very small portion of the economy. How many of the investors on Wall Street are considered super rich? My guess is very few. Most of the investors are well off, but not rich by any means. Then you have the hate for CEO’s. Men and women that have devoted their lives to their careers. Do they make in some cases an enormous amount of money? Absolutely, but why shouldn’t they. Google, for example, is a multi billion dollar corporation why shouldn’t the CEO, the person that steers the multi billion dollar ship, get a few million in compensation. When compared to Google’s income CEO compensation is a small percentage of corporate expenses. At the same time these protestors are in love with the corporations they claim to hate. How many of them use Facebook on their Iphone to organize the protest? During the protests over a million pre-orders for the Iphone 4s have been placed. America loves this stuff and my guess is so do many of the protestors.

The bottom line is many of these protestors are kids. They have never worked a crap job, they have never paid into unemployment (yet collect it), they are 40 years from retirement, but are crying about retirement, they are crying about a lack of jobs, they are crying about few opportunities, they are crying they got lied into going to college and taking on debt, but the truth is there are jobs out there for them, but they feel entitled to higher paying jobs. Entitlement is the problem with these protests.

“It’s not fair that the Wall Street guy is rich. We should get that money”. That’s the message I get from these protestors.

I’m sure some of the protestors have a point and have been shit on by corporate greed. It exists for sure and I am not defending corporations or fraudulent activities of investors. I just don’t agree with the protestors message.

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The problem in a nutshell is this: Inequality in this country has hit a level that has been seen only once in the nation’s history?at the end of the 1920s. Unemployment has also reached a level that has been seen only once since the Great Depression.

Worth a look. It has graphs and everything.

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Do you hate bailouts? Then protest the government who gave wall street the bailouts.

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[quote]ephrem wrote:

The problem in a nutshell is this: Inequality in this country has hit a level that has been seen only once in the nation’s history?at the end of the 1920s. Unemployment has also reached a level that has been seen only once since the Great Depression.

Worth a look. It has graphs and everything.[/quote]

Great charts. I looked them over and found what I think is a very interesting point.

“And, by the way, few people would have a problem with inequality if the American Dream were still fully intactâ??if it were easy to work your way into that top 1%. But, unfortunately, social mobility in this country is also near an all-time low.”

This was the quote under one of the charts and I think sums up exactly what I’ve been saying. For some reason people in this country think that the America Dream is to become the richest person in the world. That is not at all what the American Dream is about. It’s about getting out what you put into your life. It’s about putting your nose to the ground and bust your ass to make a better life for yourself and your family. It’s about HARD WORK. The concept of hard work has been lost. People just think if they show up they’ll make it into the top 1% of the wealthy. That’s ridiculous.

The quote doesn’t even make sense, “easy to work your way into that top 1%,” the top 1% will always be the hardest working, smartest, most innovative people no matter what. If it were easy it wouldn’t be the top, aka the best of the best.

There are inequalities in this world, but most of them are not in the U.S. If these kids marching really believe they have no future we should ship them off to Kenya or some other 3rd world nation and see what true poverty is.

The whole thing makes me sick. The American Dream still exists and it’s still possible you just have to be ready to work your ass off for it. That hasn’t changed.

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The real enemy of the youth.

"Let’s just remind ourselves of the report of the Trustees of the Social Security and Medicare trust funds back in 2007, which projected a rise in the cost of these two programs from 7.3 percent of gross domestic product to 17.5 percent by 2030. The trustees warned that to achieve actuarial balance–in other words, solvency–for these two programs would require (for Social Security) an increase of 16 percent in payroll tax revenues or an immediate reduction in benefits of 13 percent.

For Medicare we are talking a 122 percent increase in payroll taxes or a 51 percent cut in spending."

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

Nothing says socialism!! like a real trendy Che Guevara T-shirt (probably made in a sweat shop).
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Considering that Che was a coward (and an idiot) who hid behind women and children, he’s a fitting mascot for modern liberals, whether they know it or not.

Wonder if they know Che admitted he sometimes masterbated after torturing tied up prisoners and then shooting prisoners in the head.

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Oh geeze. Seriously, if this guy has collected 1 dime of Financial Aid, get it back. We can produce 4th graders with these kind of reasoning skills for much cheaper.

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The PJ Tatler » Occupy L.A. Speaker: Violence will be Necessary to Achieve Our Goals
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/10/11/occupy-l-a-speaker-violence-will-be-necessary-to-achieve-our-goals/

Bring it.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

Oh, great. The Rothbardians are hanging out with the all the socialists now.[/quote]

Well, they do have at least one thing in common - I wouldn’t hire them.

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One other thing I’ve been pondering since paying attention to OWS and its satellite protests: the purported major complaint/theme (if you can say there is one) is anger at corporate bailouts. That’s fine. But a few questions:

  1. Why now? The bulk of the bailouts occurred in 2008. We are closing in on 2012. Where was this outrage in 2008? Or at least 2009? How about 2010? I know the “movement” is unfocused, but the timing is odd, even suspect.

  2. Is there a protest going on in Detroit at the doorsteps of General Motors and Chrysler? if not, why not?

Number 2i slargley rhetorical - I think I know the answer, but it’s worth asking - but as for #1, I’d love to hear a good explanation.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
.[/quote]

Nothing says socialism!! like a real trendy Che Guevara T-shirt (probably made in a sweat shop).

Notice the dood in the boony cap in the background?

So anywho, where are all the dipshits who were earlier saying these protests consisted of nothing but a bunch of personal hygiene challenged hippies?[/quote]

They pretty much consist of exactly that. Naked folks, beating drums, socialists, trash, used condoms, body odor, pot smoke…it’s a joke. Wannabe hippies wasting time, wanting to saddle the rest of us with their 22/hr minimum wage talk, tuition forgiveness, and ‘free healthcare.’ Any johnny-come-latelys that hitch their wagon to this anarcho-syndicalist/progressive age-of-Aquarius doper fest only succeeds in swelling their numbers and discrediting their own supposedly non-socialist agendas.

They aren’t the 99%. They damn sure don’t speak for me. They have zero in common with me. Complaining about their taxpayer funded education, so we should take the hit and forgive their debt? The spoiled little brats had some fantasy that they’d get some oversupplied degree and then spend their lives as cutting edge artists. Go back home and start your own businesses. Cut lawns and trim some bushes. The immigrants around here can do that much. But not these trust fund kiddies with overvalued degrees, and their i-this, and their i-that. Go the hell home and stop interfering with the day to day businesses of people who work in the area. And hey, clean your mess up before you leave.
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Great post.

I just don’t understand why these people feel entitled to free money…yes the bailouts were BULLSHIT, but therefore should these people not be protesting in WASHINGTON??

No wonder Obama is supporting these protests…“whew, glad they are not mad at ME for not prosecuting one single person involved in this mess”