Obtuse Religious Philosophy

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
But you guys are forgetting one thing: it’s all made up fairy tales.[/quote]

Or it isn’t. Certainly it’s one way or the other.
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I’ll concede this point if you’re willing to admit that Greek mythology is also possible.[/quote]

If you are correct and it is all made up fairy tales then you certainly have nothing to worry about, and neither do I. But if you’re wrong only one of us has nothing to worry about and it isn’t you.

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Belief just in case. Nice.[/quote]

Yeah, I can’t really think of anything more insulting than having someone pretend to love you only because they think it will get them some kind of reward.

If their god did exist, I’m sure he would have a special hell just for the Pascal’s of the world.

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[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
This kid doesn’t want to be debate or discuss, he wanted to bitch and moan, that’s ALL he wanted to do.

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I laugh at the passive aggressive “men” throwing condescending remarks about my maturity here, knowing that none would be so brazen as to do it in person…

Exhibit C is coming… BOO! Take your time to condescend and belittle while you have your chance at a one sided shouting match. We all know you will revert to semantics, shouting, and passive aggressive personal attacks when any sort of debate comes back into play.

By the way, which one of us has been bitching and moaning the whole time?.. :wink:
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Call me out on front street and I will meet you on front street. Little boy, you better go to Magic Mountain because you’re way too young.

You have started a thread with an already angry pessimistic bias, and rather than listen to dialog posed by those who would rebut you, your continuous reply is “fuck you, I don’t believe in your space God.” Since you had no intention of debating anything, please let the intellectuals here debate among each other. After all, it is them who turned your shit thread into something of value.

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In case nobody knows,the op is constantly referring to the “light bearer” which is ALWAYS associated with Satan aka LUCIFER, which literally means light-bearer. To the OP and anyone else let me give you some insight.

  1. You will not get to heaven simply by saying you believe in Christ. This is merely part of the picture. Jesus of Nazareth indicated many times (notably the parable with the workers) that just because you say something doesn’t make it true. TO ALL CHRISTIANS, this means that just because you utter “faith” in Christ, does not mean you really have faith in Christ.

For example, say you have a “friend” and he tells you he is your friend. But he gets you into trouble from you, flakes out on you, and lies to you. Well, he uttered to you he was your friend, but what do you think? Does a real friend do these things? Would you not say that ACTIONS speak louder than WORDS? Now say you have someone you don’t consider your friend. But he does things for you that all your other “friends” have not (helped you when you needed it). Does he not seem to be a more likely candidate for friendship?

The simple and silly analogy basically holds true. Being baptized, and saying you accept Jesus does not make you go to heaven. If your actions speak otherwise, how can you say you have true faith? The point is in the end, only God knows the righteous and everyone will be extremely surprised how judgement ends up.

For the OP: Being a self-proclaimed atheist does not make you more logical. But often, it gives a self-defeating attitude. Make no mistake, the OP can be saved because all humanity can be saved. Atheists, rapists, satanists, prostitutes, Catholics, baptists, methodists, mormons, Jehovah’s witnesses, Muslims, Jews, Calvinists, Quakers, Agnostics, Presbyterians, seventh day adventists, Lutherans, Anglicans, other non-denominational Christians, Buddhists, Hinddus, Taoists, Confucians all can be saved through Christ. But in order to do so, they must accept him through showing him, not simply saying they show him.

An atheists gets to heaven by loving his neighbor, and by extension, GOD.

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Don’t let the OP fool you, he’s a satanist. Not a child-sacrificing satanist, but one of those be your own god true satanists. He referred to himself cleverly as the devil’s advocate and don’t let him fool you, he means it literally. Satan’s dogma is just his: Do what thy wilt. From the (drum roll please) sin of pride, the very cause of satan’s fall, did this dogma originate and to that very same place will it manifest.

You can’t argue with the Devil because he’s crafty and clever with words, but his methods are monotonous. The problem with a satanist is that there is 6.8 billion gods, and salvation is reduced to a relative happiness incapable of transcendence. You can eat sleep and be merry…until of course, you die. I think I’ll stick with Christianity, on the tiny chance (even if it is .0000007%) that it is correct because of course, I’m going to die anyway.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

Yeah, I can’t really think of anything more insulting than having someone pretend to love you only because they think it will get them some kind of reward.

If their god did exist, I’m sure he would have a special hell just for the Pascal’s of the world.[/quote]

And you’re perhaps the second biggest fool on this thread if that’s what you thought I was saying. But then again that perverse interpretation by you is no surprise to me.

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[quote]hugedude1990 wrote:
In case nobody knows,the op is constantly referring to the “light bearer” which is ALWAYS associated with Satan aka LUCIFER, which literally means light-bearer. To the OP and anyone else let me give you some insight.

  1. You will not get to heaven simply by saying you believe in Christ. This is merely part of the picture. Jesus of Nazareth indicated many times (notably the parable with the workers) that just because you say something doesn’t make it true. TO ALL CHRISTIANS, this means that just because you utter “faith” in Christ, does not mean you really have faith in Christ.[/quote]

I think that most Christians know this. You must confess with the lips and believe with the heart, is what the Bible says. You cannot fool God that’s obvious to all but a fool.

[quote]An atheists gets to heaven by loving his neighbor, and by extension, GOD.
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The only place that an atheist gets is an eternal ticket to hell. Good works DO NOT get you into heaven the Bible is very clear on that one.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

You didn’t know when and where God (the father) spoke directly to his people. That’s the reason I assumed you had not read the OT. My mistake perhaps you just forgot.

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Uh, actually no. But again, since I don’t consider the bible the word of God and, I do not consider it an entirely accurate historical account, you’ll have to share with me extra-biblical non-religious reference to such an event to make your case to me. :)[/quote]

My reference was not an attempt to prove anything to you. And that reference was based on the OT. You read the OT so you clearly understand where my reference came from.

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[quote]hugedude1990 wrote:
Don’t let the OP fool you, he’s a satanist. Not a child-sacrificing satanist, but one of those be your own god true satanists. He referred to himself cleverly as the devil’s advocate and don’t let him fool you, he means it literally. Satan’s dogma is just his: Do what thy wilt. From the (drum roll please) sin of pride, the very cause of satan’s fall, did this dogma originate and to that very same place will it manifest.

You can’t argue with the Devil because he’s crafty and clever with words, but his methods are monotonous. The problem with a satanist is that there is 6.8 billion gods, and salvation is reduced to a relative happiness incapable of transcendence. You can eat sleep and be merry…until of course, you die. I think I’ll stick with Christianity, on the tiny chance (even if it is .0000007%) that it is correct because of course, I’m going to die anyway. [/quote]

The OP is the Devil? Really?

Oh, right. Horned Evil-McBadguy with a Pitchfork fell out of Sky Land and is in Fire Place below us.

Must have forgotten that your religions mythology is true.

Carry on with your accusations that people who disagree with you are the Devil - at least these days you cant gather a group of like minded fanatics to kill those you accuse.

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[quote]hugedude1990 wrote:
In case nobody knows,the op is constantly referring to the “light bearer” which is ALWAYS associated with Satan aka LUCIFER, which literally means light-bearer. To the OP and anyone else let me give you some insight.

  1. You will not get to heaven simply by saying you believe in Christ. This is merely part of the picture. Jesus of Nazareth indicated many times (notably the parable with the workers) that just because you say something doesn’t make it true. TO ALL CHRISTIANS, this means that just because you utter “faith” in Christ, does not mean you really have faith in Christ.

For example, say you have a “friend” and he tells you he is your friend. But he gets you into trouble from you, flakes out on you, and lies to you. Well, he uttered to you he was your friend, but what do you think? Does a real friend do these things? Would you not say that ACTIONS speak louder than WORDS? Now say you have someone you don’t consider your friend. But he does things for you that all your other “friends” have not (helped you when you needed it). Does he not seem to be a more likely candidate for friendship?

The simple and silly analogy basically holds true. Being baptized, and saying you accept Jesus does not make you go to heaven. If your actions speak otherwise, how can you say you have true faith? The point is in the end, only God knows the righteous and everyone will be extremely surprised how judgement ends up.

For the OP: Being a self-proclaimed atheist does not make you more logical. But often, it gives a self-defeating attitude. Make no mistake, the OP can be saved because all humanity can be saved. Atheists, rapists, satanists, prostitutes, Catholics, baptists, methodists, mormons, Jehovah’s witnesses, Muslims, Jews, Calvinists, Quakers, Agnostics, Presbyterians, seventh day adventists, Lutherans, Anglicans, other non-denominational Christians, Buddhists, Hinddus, Taoists, Confucians all can be saved through Christ. But in order to do so, they must accept him through showing him, not simply saying they show him.

An atheists gets to heaven by loving his neighbor, and by extension, GOD.
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I’m sure the Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists, etc. will all be very happy to know the likes of you think they require “saving”. You unintentionally and very directly answered the title of another OP - Why Do People Care?

They care, the fight, they argue, because each one thinks they have THE ANSWER at the expense of someone else who does not share their belief. And throughout history, the foregoing, at it’s best, meant we live and let live - and at it’s worst, meant trying to eradicate anyone who did not share your faith. The latter existed in your church too - outright terrorism.

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[quote]hugedude1990 wrote:
I think I’ll stick with Christianity, on the tiny chance (even if it is .0000007%) that it is correct because of course, I’m going to die anyway. [/quote]

Well doesn’t that sound like the “true faith” you described in your post above. Hypocrite. Where else would God be if not for that part of each of us that is Good? Are you not in touch with that place inside you that is intrinsically and irrevocably GOOD? Isn’t that God? Or is that just “the devil” playing tricks on us lol?

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And T-Nation delivers another gem…Thanks for entertaining me between classes!

Chris

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

They care, the fight, they argue, because each one thinks they have THE ANSWER at the expense of someone else who does not share their belief. And throughout history, the foregoing, at it’s best, meant we live and let live - and at it’s worst, meant trying to eradicate anyone who did not share your faith. The latter existed in your church too - outright terrorism. [/quote]

First of all it is illogical to assume that because there are many different religions that all religions are wrong. Secondly, there have been more wars and more people killed by those who are NOT Christian than those begun by Christians.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]hugedude1990 wrote:
I think I’ll stick with Christianity, on the tiny chance (even if it is .0000007%) that it is correct because of course, I’m going to die anyway. [/quote]

Well doesn’t that sound like the “true faith” you described in your post above. Hypocrite. Where else would God be if not for that part of each of us that is Good? Are you not in touch with that place inside you that is intrinsically and irrevocably GOOD? Isn’t that God? Or is that just “the devil” playing tricks on us lol?[/quote]

I don’t think that’s God. I think that’s merely some good which shows through in all of us inherently evil people.

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[quote]hugedude1990 wrote:
Don’t let the OP fool you, he’s a satanist. Not a child-sacrificing satanist, but one of those be your own god true satanists. He referred to himself cleverly as the devil’s advocate and don’t let him fool you, he means it literally. Satan’s dogma is just his: Do what thy wilt. From the (drum roll please) sin of pride, the very cause of satan’s fall, did this dogma originate and to that very same place will it manifest.

You can’t argue with the Devil because he’s crafty and clever with words, but his methods are monotonous. The problem with a satanist is that there is 6.8 billion gods, and salvation is reduced to a relative happiness incapable of transcendence. You can eat sleep and be merry…until of course, you die. I think I’ll stick with Christianity, on the tiny chance (even if it is .0000007%) that it is correct because of course, I’m going to die anyway. [/quote]

Oh come on now huge dude. Anyway I’m sitting back for now watching the debate. It has gotten interesting without me. Let me stay out of it for a while if you will.

Edit: I have to… By the way, I should point out in your final words - words very telling of the entire christian belief - you put your faith in god because of fear of hell. You rationed with yourself, “I’m going to die anyway” inferring that you would rather go to your assumed heaven when you die as opposed to torturous hell. Is it really CHRISTIAN faith anymore when your only reason for faith is a SELFISH one - your assumed salvation in the after life?

I do not know if there is an afterlife, but I know I have a life now. That is where my money is placed. You place your money in assuming there is an afterlife, and assuming out of the thousands of religious texts that yours has the magic word-spell that will grant you eternal salvation in the “after life”. I beg to differ, huge dude.

PS I don’t know much of the devil’s method, but I agree my method of thought is monotonous - logic. In this race there are only two paths, logical and illogical. And in this race some of the fastest people do an amazing job at making the other side look favorable.

This is all making me wish I had time to sit down and craft exhibit C as I already know the gist of it and these are intrinsic themes being discussed right now… :frowning: I hope hugedude will stick around for when I finally get a spare minute to really write down some thoughts.

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[quote]hugedude1990 wrote:
An atheists gets to heaven by loving his neighbor, and by extension, GOD.
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I disagree so wholeheartedly with you but you say such interesting things. I rebuttal this by saying, You don’t worship God, you worship the written ideas of another man; via proxy - you worship another man. Somewhere in dead history your God still lives - through you and every other Christian. For that I am impressed. But the time has come to bury this old dog.

Why should we, the greatest men in history, settle for the jaded and withered illogical ramblings of eon old men? Is it not time for us to build something greater? I assure you, a new age in thought is only inches away.

Edit: Hugedude, I would ask you in your opinion do I love my neighbors? Am I trying to open eyes or mislead minds? Am I malicious in nature? Will your God let me in heaven? Is there room in there for the misguided - for the bearer of logic? For the misled? For those without the values that you were indoctrinated into?

Regardless of your answer I would like to say - Fuck your heaven; regarding your heaven, I would rather be a King in my own Hell than a Servant in another man’s Heaven.

Double Edit: Why is it with all the people responding to me that the one who’s response I want will not answer? The irony…

Triple Edit: By the way did you know Christianity is one of my favorite religions? “as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be; world without end” - There are little gems scattered all throughout it. It is a shame it is the most corrupt of any of the religions - in its own nature and in its practice.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

They care, the fight, they argue, because each one thinks they have THE ANSWER at the expense of someone else who does not share their belief. And throughout history, the foregoing, at it’s best, meant we live and let live - and at it’s worst, meant trying to eradicate anyone who did not share your faith. The latter existed in your church too - outright terrorism. [/quote]

First of all it is illogical to assume that because there are many different religions that all religions are wrong. Secondly, there have been more wars and more people killed by those who are NOT Christian than those begun by Christians. [/quote]

No sir. It’s illogical and incredibly myopic to assume that YOUR religion is right and all others are wrong. After all, that’s the underpinning of Christianity. And, it matters not who started wars or killed more. We aren’t keeping score. Evil is evil and evil HAS been perpetrated in the name of Christianity.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]hugedude1990 wrote:
I think I’ll stick with Christianity, on the tiny chance (even if it is .0000007%) that it is correct because of course, I’m going to die anyway. [/quote]

Well doesn’t that sound like the “true faith” you described in your post above. Hypocrite. Where else would God be if not for that part of each of us that is Good? Are you not in touch with that place inside you that is intrinsically and irrevocably GOOD? Isn’t that God? Or is that just “the devil” playing tricks on us lol?[/quote]

I don’t think that’s God. I think that’s merely some good which shows through in all of us inherently evil people.[/quote]

No offense Zeb, but who cares “what you think”? You’re indoctrinated into your dogma, I’m a free thinker. You think I care “what you think” - no offense. But bet you I can find scripture to support what I said if you allow me to go to apocryphal scriptures. Oh wait, MAN decided which would be included in the Good Book…I guess God guided that Council too. Yup.

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[quote]hugedude1990 wrote:
Don’t let the OP fool you, he’s a satanist. [/quote]

I had the same thought.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]hugedude1990 wrote:
Don’t let the OP fool you, he’s a satanist. [/quote]

I had the same thought.[/quote]

O RLY?! Well howdy doody neighbor that is a neat-o and convenient idea for you to so conveniently share!

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
The OP is the Devil? Really?
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who said that?