Obama's Pirate Chums

[quote]lixy wrote:
sherekahn wrote:
Lixy,

Without completely sidetracking the thread.
Tell me/us why you think Obama is “a gaping asshole?” What is it about him that you find so objectionable?

He’s a lying power-hungry scumbag, with no more integrity than a toaster. He wouldn’t know what a principle is if it hit him in the face.

The man is a lawyer turned politician. What else do you need to know?[/quote]

Barack Obama has a law degree, yes. He worked at a law firm for 3 MONTHS as a SUMMER ASSOCIATE while he was still in law school. That is the equivalent of being a lifeguard at the local pool during high school summer break.

Before attending law school, Barack Obama worked at “a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman and Riverdale) on Chicago’s far South Side. He worked there as a community organizer from June 1985 to May 1988.[28][30] During his three years as the DCP’s director its staff grew from one to thirteen and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000. He helped set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants’ rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.[31] Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, a community organizing institute.” The man worked for nothing but scrapes in one of the most notorious project communities in America. Does this not speak to his integrity?

After graduating law school, “From April to October 1992, Obama directed Illinois’s Project Vote, a voter registration drive with a staff of ten and 700 volunteers; it achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African Americans in the state.” Then for twelve years, he “served as a professor at the University of Chicago Law School teaching constitutional law. He was first classified as a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996 and then as a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004.[43] He also joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a twelve-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development.”
Obama was a law professor, then practiced CIVIL RIGHTS law. Does this not speak to his integrity?

“He served from 1994 to 2002 on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago, which in 1985 had been the first foundation to fund the Developing Communities Project, and also from 1994 to 2002 on the board of directors of the Joyce Foundation.[28] Obama served on the board of directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge from 1995 to 2002, as founding president and chairman of the board of directors from 1995 to 1999.[28] He also served on the board of directors of the Chicago Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, the Center for Neighborhood Technology, and the Lugenia Burns Hope Center.” Obama spent the prime of his money gaining years workin for community boards, philanthropic organizations and civil rights committees. Are you catching the pattern yet?

What part of this makes him a scumbag? Building on this, the only way to make real, nationally sweeping, reform would be to turn to politics. He is barely a career politician, he only served four years in the Senate. Furthermore, the length of his total political career lasted him 12 years, a minuscule amount of time to be a politician if you want to run for president.

Disagree with his policies if you like, I have no qualms with that. But to debase his integrity and principles? Bullshit.

Now if you dislike him simply because he is involved in the government, then your argument is the equivalent of a little turd. I do not want to get into an argument about the pros and cons and philosophical origins of government because I don’t doubt most of it would fly over your head if your arguments revolve around the integrity of toasters.

[edit: all quotes taken from wikipedia (duh) ]

[quote]BSrunner wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:
BSrunner wrote:
lixy wrote:
You know what pisses me off? A bunch of assholes with zero insight on the conditions of the hijack acting like they know more than the trained professionals.

How am I dense? Did you not say that?[/quote]

it was pretty obvious he was not saying nobody but professionals should ever have a say or opinion on things like this, as you accused.

he was referring to people overextending their opinion and yelling about how the seals should have been there on day one infiltrating the boat and solving this hostage scene in “under 5 seconds”, or how because obama was not giving everyone a play by play on the media, they could immediately conclude he was doing nothing or worse trying to pay these fucks off.

no where in his comment did he say anyone should or should not be able comment on anything. you were reading between lines that did no exist, hence “dense”

[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
BSrunner wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:
BSrunner wrote:
lixy wrote:
You know what pisses me off? A bunch of assholes with zero insight on the conditions of the hijack acting like they know more than the trained professionals.

How am I dense? Did you not say that?

it was pretty obvious he was not saying nobody but professionals should ever have a say or opinion on things like this, as you accused.

he was referring to people overextending their opinion and yelling about how the seals should have been there on day one infiltrating the boat and solving this hostage scene in “under 5 seconds”, or how because obama was not giving everyone a play by play on the media, they could immediately conclude he was doing nothing or worse trying to pay these fucks off.

no where in his comment did he say anyone should or should not be able comment on anything. you were reading between lines that did no exist, hence “dense”[/quote]

Any discussions we have assume that we know better than the officials running the show. How else would you define criticism?

[quote]hedo wrote:
BSrunner wrote:
hedo wrote:
Good work Navy.

And the lack of acknowledgment to the White House, Barack Obama, or any of the people you were yelling at earlier (The White House, Barack Obama) is extremely telling.

[edit: Not only directed at hedo, but to everyone who implied the leadership’s lack of conviction and work to saving the hostage]

Which pirate did Obama shoot? I missed that in the news report.

I don’t think allowing the Navy to do it’s job makes Obama any less of a pussy. He still has a lot of issues to deal with and foreign adversaries are lining up to test him because of his perceived weakness. That is due to his character and statements he has made.

I expected him to pay a ransom or make it a LE issue like his mentor Billy. Not telling the shooters to hold their fire is a step in the right direction but it will take a lot more then NOT telling the Seals to do their job to make a reputation as a leader.

Killing Pirates is hardly a ballsy call. The fact that he sanctioned it is out of character for him which is many are pleasantly suprised. Now if he attacked the pirate strongholds and mother ships I would be impressed.

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Obvi-fucking-ously the president is not going to fucking shoot the pirates. You can’t fucking criticize the president for not doing shit and then not give him any credit because he didn’t pull the goddamn trigger. Obama authorized the use of military force which is what you wanted him to do, and it is what you would have expected from John McCain or any other Commander in Chief. And to give him this grief, saying “which pirate did Obama shoot” is fucking ridiculous.

[quote]BSrunner wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:
BSrunner wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:
BSrunner wrote:
lixy wrote:
You know what pisses me off? A bunch of assholes with zero insight on the conditions of the hijack acting like they know more than the trained professionals.

How am I dense? Did you not say that?

it was pretty obvious he was not saying nobody but professionals should ever have a say or opinion on things like this, as you accused.

he was referring to people overextending their opinion and yelling about how the seals should have been there on day one infiltrating the boat and solving this hostage scene in “under 5 seconds”, or how because obama was not giving everyone a play by play on the media, they could immediately conclude he was doing nothing or worse trying to pay these fucks off.

no where in his comment did he say anyone should or should not be able comment on anything. you were reading between lines that did no exist, hence “dense”

Any discussions we have assume that we know better than the officials running the show. How else would you define criticism? [/quote]

perhaps the definition?: a person who offers reasoned judgment or analysis, value judgment, interpretation, or observation

not: i know more than everyone else.

theres a reason they are professionals and you are not.

a discussion also infers that you DONT know everything, or seeking view points other than your own. if we all just posted on things we only agreed on, there would be no discussion. if we all posted merely to hear others opinion just to argue, that would be trolling, and still not a discussion.

[quote]BSrunner wrote:
hedo wrote:
BSrunner wrote:
hedo wrote:
Good work Navy.

And the lack of acknowledgment to the White House, Barack Obama, or any of the people you were yelling at earlier (The White House, Barack Obama) is extremely telling.

[edit: Not only directed at hedo, but to everyone who implied the leadership’s lack of conviction and work to saving the hostage]

Which pirate did Obama shoot? I missed that in the news report.

I don’t think allowing the Navy to do it’s job makes Obama any less of a pussy. He still has a lot of issues to deal with and foreign adversaries are lining up to test him because of his perceived weakness. That is due to his character and statements he has made.

I expected him to pay a ransom or make it a LE issue like his mentor Billy. Not telling the shooters to hold their fire is a step in the right direction but it will take a lot more then NOT telling the Seals to do their job to make a reputation as a leader.

Killing Pirates is hardly a ballsy call. The fact that he sanctioned it is out of character for him which is many are pleasantly suprised. Now if he attacked the pirate strongholds and mother ships I would be impressed.

Obvi-fucking-ously the president is not going to fucking shoot the pirates. You can’t fucking criticize the president for not doing shit and then not give him any credit because he didn’t pull the goddamn trigger. Obama authorized the use of military force which is what you wanted him to do, and it is what you would have expected from John McCain or any other Commander in Chief. And to give him this grief, saying “which pirate did Obama shoot” is fucking ridiculous. [/quote]

agreed.

presidents dont micromanage, even emergency situations. It’s kind of sad people are so incendiary (on both sides).

[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
BSrunner wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:
BSrunner wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:
BSrunner wrote:
lixy wrote:
You know what pisses me off? A bunch of assholes with zero insight on the conditions of the hijack acting like they know more than the trained professionals.

How am I dense? Did you not say that?

it was pretty obvious he was not saying nobody but professionals should ever have a say or opinion on things like this, as you accused.

he was referring to people overextending their opinion and yelling about how the seals should have been there on day one infiltrating the boat and solving this hostage scene in “under 5 seconds”, or how because obama was not giving everyone a play by play on the media, they could immediately conclude he was doing nothing or worse trying to pay these fucks off.

no where in his comment did he say anyone should or should not be able comment on anything. you were reading between lines that did no exist, hence “dense”

Any discussions we have assume that we know better than the officials running the show. How else would you define criticism?

perhaps the definition?: a person who offers reasoned judgment or analysis, value judgment, interpretation, or observation

not: i know more than everyone else.

theres a reason they are professionals and you are not.

a discussion also infers that you DONT know everything, or seeking view points other than your own. if we all just posted on things we only agreed on, there would be no discussion. if we all posted merely to hear others opinion just to argue, that would be trolling, and still not a discussion.[/quote]

My definition (first two from dictionary.com)

  1. the act of passing judgment as to the merits of anything.
  2. the act of passing severe judgment; censure; faultfinding

“As to the merits of anything,” and “Severe judgment,” sure sounds like a critic believes they think that the current course of action is wrong or can be done better. I believe what you are getting at is “Commentary,” which is a far cry from what we are doing here.

[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
BSrunner wrote:
hedo wrote:
BSrunner wrote:
hedo wrote:
Good work Navy.

And the lack of acknowledgment to the White House, Barack Obama, or any of the people you were yelling at earlier (The White House, Barack Obama) is extremely telling.

[edit: Not only directed at hedo, but to everyone who implied the leadership’s lack of conviction and work to saving the hostage]

Which pirate did Obama shoot? I missed that in the news report.

I don’t think allowing the Navy to do it’s job makes Obama any less of a pussy. He still has a lot of issues to deal with and foreign adversaries are lining up to test him because of his perceived weakness. That is due to his character and statements he has made.

I expected him to pay a ransom or make it a LE issue like his mentor Billy. Not telling the shooters to hold their fire is a step in the right direction but it will take a lot more then NOT telling the Seals to do their job to make a reputation as a leader.

Killing Pirates is hardly a ballsy call. The fact that he sanctioned it is out of character for him which is many are pleasantly suprised. Now if he attacked the pirate strongholds and mother ships I would be impressed.

Obvi-fucking-ously the president is not going to fucking shoot the pirates. You can’t fucking criticize the president for not doing shit and then not give him any credit because he didn’t pull the goddamn trigger. Obama authorized the use of military force which is what you wanted him to do, and it is what you would have expected from John McCain or any other Commander in Chief. And to give him this grief, saying “which pirate did Obama shoot” is fucking ridiculous.

agreed.

presidents dont micromanage, even emergency situations. It’s kind of sad people are so incendiary (on both sides). [/quote]

I kind of like the fire. I like arguing with someone who has a way different belief. I just wish that some of the arguments would be a little more focused, rather than “dood he suckz and iz a secret t3rr0ristsz”

Also I’m sorry if I offend anybody , i just get a little fired up when I debate (if thats what you can call this)

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
<<< I hope he takes a strong stand against this type of behavior on the part of pirates. It’s a difficult problem given our history with Somalia… not so simple as sending warships to Tripoli anymore. >>>[/quote]

This is the big question now. How bout if we don’t wait until some of our citizens get killed before decisively handling this though. These guys have promised blood in retaliation. I believe them.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
<<< I hope he takes a strong stand against this type of behavior on the part of pirates. It’s a difficult problem given our history with Somalia… not so simple as sending warships to Tripoli anymore. >>>

This is the big question now. How bout if we don’t wait until some of our citizens get killed before decisively handling this though. These guys have promised blood in retaliation. I believe them.[/quote]

Do you foresee this committing us to a “war” on pirates?? And if so,wouldn’t this be putting us in situation for opportunistic attacks from the many Islamic enemies we’re already fighting??

Just a random thought that came about…

edit A U.S. diplomat’s plane was fired upon with mortar shells at Somali airport…So yes,I believe them as well.

lol @ the direction this thread has gone in

“LOOK AT OBAMA, HE SITS AROUND AND DOES NOTHING!”

Obama does something

“WELL, HE DIDN’T ACTUALLY DO IT… SOMEONE ELSE DID”

I think Obama handled the issue well, but this was about as simple and straightforward a problem that he’s going to get as CinC. It would’ve taken an effort to screw this one up.

But he didn’t, and I give him a B+ thus far. He gets an A+ for this whole affair if he greenlights and supports a low-key effort to hunt down and destroy some of these pirate’s “strongholds”, for lack of a better word.

If he stops here, he gets a C+. He gets an F if he follows up with a full-blown “War on Piracy”…

Oh man, I hope that he follows up on piracy with out declaring “The war on piracy.” It sounds too much like another war we just started waging …

[quote]BSrunner wrote:
Oh man, I hope that he follows up on piracy with out declaring “The war on piracy.” It sounds too much like another war we just started waging …[/quote]

You mean the legal war on piracy?

[quote]lixy wrote:
BSrunner wrote:
Oh man, I hope that he follows up on piracy with out declaring “The war on piracy.” It sounds too much like another war we just started waging …

You mean the legal war on piracy?

Obama Taps 5th RIAA Lawyer to Justice Dept. | WIRED [/quote]

lixy please respond to my post responding to your post calling Obama a scum bag. I worked too long on it for you to not respond.

Thanks

[quote]HangerBaby wrote:
lol @ the direction this thread has gone in

“LOOK AT OBAMA, HE SITS AROUND AND DOES NOTHING!”

Obama does something

“WELL, HE DIDN’T ACTUALLY DO IT… SOMEONE ELSE DID”[/quote]

Expect rhetoric from the Republicans until they Elect Jeb Bush to office.

This “war” on piracy is really no different than having the police patrol the streets dont ya think? Unfortunetly due to the nature and location of the crimes being committed ie Kidnap and ranson, only a branch of the military can handle it