How easily some of you succumb to the politics of fear.
First of all, it’s not like every Sunday Wright was blasting a way at America. Wright has been a minister for over 30 years. The media purposely took a few choice clips, packaged them, and you are happily eating them up. Your response is exactly the one they are looking for.
You act like Obama was the one giving the sermons.
Try thinking for yourself for a change.
The media has to find ways or new people to get at Obama because honestly, there isn’t much to attack him on personally. He’s pretty clean.
[quote]SLERG wrote:
On Nov 4, the person that gets elected will do so on credibility, and that person will be John McCain. He has campaigned in a way that people can see that he is in control, and has not spent his time and energy pissing into the wind, which is what his democratic counterparts will be doing right up until Nov 4.
Obama has way too many questions surrounding his character, and he is simply too inexperienced to be leading this country. I hate to say it, but Hillary would be the better choice, because she has Bill in her corner, and he did a decent job while he was in office.[/quote]
First of all, you’re delusional about McCain’s character. The same McCain who is nailing a lobbyist (lol), the same McCain who thinks the Iraq war was a good thing and wouldn’t mind being there for the next 100 years. The same McCain who thinks bombing countries is cool, and makes up songs about it. The same McCain who openly admits he has no idea about how the economy works, or how to fix a failing economy like ours.
Regarding experience Clinton vs. Obama, actually Obama has more elected experience than Hillary.
What? Someone could call any one of us “insincere” about our religion if they put our every action and every statement under a microscope. It isn’t your place or anyone else’s to analyze or define any other man’s journey in spirituality. That is for him alone.
Honestly, what is wrong with some of you?
The other logical alternative is that he is sincere, and the central tenets of what he is sincere about are reflected in Wright’s teachings. Which do you prefer?[/quote]
Please, do tell about what Wright’s teachings were outside of “God Damn America”. I am still waiting on that “destroy all white people” quote. I see blogs and what other people think about blogs that are about this man and what he believes, but when asking for direct quotes, it sure does seem to get dry in here.
I want to know what this man’s teachings actually were on most Sunday’s. I do not want someone cherry picking 30 years of sermons and binding them together into a 5 minute segment and then claiming this was all the man talked about.
Am I the only who didn’t disqualify Obama over what his pastor said…but rather his pussy back stepping over the whole ordeal?
It really got me is his explanation and using his racist grandma as a defense.
I think Barack Obama is a ver-lo two faced pussy and would get his cocolo ass beaten by a real man like Hillary Clinton.
Barack Obama should have said, “Well I stand by my pastor, because I have chosen to be a part of that church with the good and the bad. The statements in question are NOT Anti American because…the USA DID bring on 9/11 through our wreckless foreign policy…blah blah…and there fore that is why I hope we can change this blunderous history and avoid the hatred from the outside world…”
He could have manned up and defended his position, he would have actually gotten my respect.
Ya he still would have lost some right leaning moderates, but he would have gained the respect of his core and alot of the undecided, like us paul-tards in doubt, who watch him with an interested eye.
Instead he acts like a lil pussy girl and gets scared, and starts back stepping.
Seriously, if Obama even has half a testicle I’d be suprised.
He looks like a traitor to his church which means to me- no loyalty. Who else would he turn his back on?
He tries to defend his position by bringing in his grandmother- no respect (who the fuck would ever speak of their grandmother on national television like that. I don’t even tell people about the relationship I have with any of my family members. But c’mon, your Grandmother? You’re supposed to protect you grandmother, not talk about how crazy and delusionally regressive she is.)
He looks like a total political cunt right now, and he’s not going to get the nomination.
Whiteys are saying, I told you so, he is just another crazy black candidate. Blackies are, THAT FOOL AINT BLACK ENOUGH HE AINT EVEN ABOUT HIS PASTOR. And Latinos are, “did that cocolo just use his grandmother for damage control?”
Obama is a tool, end of story, and now he’s got thrown out the wrist that was running his wrench. Flop.
He’s done in my book, and he actually grew on me for a minute.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Edit: Nah, see, I actually go to a church fairly represenative of the population. And see, we wouldn’t tolerate some racial bomb thrower. I don’t know, maybe my congregation has more class, and is actually more interested in moving foward, together.
Let me guess…you and your pastor are both white?[/quote]
[quote]greekdawg wrote:
How easily some of you succumb to the politics of fear.
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Politics of fear my ass. What are we supposedly afraid of?
The man is an insincere phony. Since the only thing he brings is change and the more we look at him the more he looks like any other politician we don’t see much opportunity for change. Just an empty suit spouting someone else’s words.
[quote]Sikkario wrote:
I think Barack Obama is a ver-lo two faced [/quote]
Welcome to politics. All the candidates are.
That line got Ron Paul insane amounts of money. But Paul was pretty much his own man. Answering to no known lobby. Obama is different. He’s got Zionists backing him, with their financial and political support. The sad truth is that a candidate who’s not friendly towards AIPAC has little chances of winning a major party’s nomination. Get the difference?
Paul could afford that given his non-compromise positions. Obama, not so much. He’s pandering to everyone and his sister.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Sikkario wrote:
I think Barack Obama is a ver-lo two faced
Welcome to politics. All the candidates are.
pussy and would get his cocolo ass beaten by a real man like Hillary Clinton.
Barack Obama should have said, “Well I stand by my pastor, because I have chosen to be a part of that church with the good and the bad. The statements in question are NOT Anti American because…the USA DID bring on 9/11 through our wreckless foreign policy…blah blah…and there fore that is why I hope we can change this blunderous history and avoid the hatred from the outside world…”
That line got Ron Paul insane amounts of money. But Paul was pretty much his own man. Answering to no known lobby. Obama is different. He’s got Zionists backing him, with their financial and political support. The sad truth is that a candidate who’s not friendly towards AIPAC has little chances of winning a major party’s nomination. Get the difference?
Paul could afford that given his non-compromise positions. Obama, not so much. He’s pandering to everyone and his sister.
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How can I ever thank you for actually making me dumber on issues of race? I never thought that possible, so my hat is off.
Odd - no one could tell that from your posts.
As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about, but blather anyway. Let’s have a look.
I don’t bring the issue up - inevitably, it comes up because every so often, a kid’s parent comes in and objects to my helping tutor them because I am white. I don’t raise the issue of race relations - but I always have to address it with the kids and the grandparents because someone else raises it for me.
Interestingly, outside of the idiot parent that occasionally storms in, none of the folks I have ever dealt with - the grandparents, the single mom, or the kids themselves - share your persecution complex. They don’t look for racism in every human transaction they are involved in. They don’t presume racist behavior in every person they meet. They have grievances, and the old folks especially share their stories of segregation. But they - to a man - never squeal quite like you do.
I don’t discuss politics and race with the kids I work with - unless they bring it up. And they do. These kids are curious and old enough to care about such things. And, it often comes up when we practice reading and oratory, because the texts we work off of are the speeches of MLK and Medgar Evers, among others.
One day you should get interested in such things and learn about them. Maybe I could hook you up with one of the teenagers I work with so they can tutor you?
Wow.
First, it doesn’t matter if I am voting for him or not. As an American, I have a vested interest in who the President is, even if that person isn’t the candidate I would vote for. The Democrats have a very good chance to win, and if that be the case, I have an important interest in seeing the best Democrat be nominated, should my candidate lose.
Second, I am not trying to “out” him, but it is interesting to see you project your persecution complex on a candidate. Is Obama immune to criticism? He is fair game to discuss. Apparently, in your world, Obama should get a pass because…well…you like him. He doesn’t, and neither does Hillary, or John McCain.
Third, you can vote for Obama because he would make a nice “national spokesmodel” if you want - I am not stopping you. As for me, I am into the substance of a politician’s platform and policies rather than his “sound” and “presentation” - but I am real picky like that.
Maybe, though, we can scrap the whole election process and have one of the “American Idol” seasons serve to elect our national spokesmodel? I said before that Obama is the quintessential pop-culture candidate - let’s skip all this talk about passing laws, governing, constitutions, foreign policy, tax rates, regulations, and nominating judges and skip to the important part - how they look and sound.
All that other stuff is hard to think about and it takes time away from playing video games.
[quote]Why do you think someone like that won’t be a “unifier”? You think some other candidate will do better in that regard?
If so, who?[/quote]
I am not entirely convinced this “national unity” as Obama preaches it is the ultimate goal of a president - in a federal republic, we count on some level of partisanship to produce good government. Obama basically means that “unifying” means backing all of his orthodox left-liberal policies - that isn’t quite the point of “unity”.
If we are interested in some level of “unity”, I have no idea if McCain is the man or not - but his political history suggests he reaches over the divide to work with others, often at a political cost. Obama, not so much.
Learn to read. The issue isn’t about severing ties - it is about squaring behavior with what you are advertising.
[quote]In fact, don’t you think that at least some of this was anticipated? Are you saying you are close to no one who has ever stated anything remotely racist?
Please answer this.[/quote]
Red herring. I thought you went and learned up on this stuff?
I am not attacking Obama because he “knows someone who said something racist”. I have stated it many times. My point - which you aren’t addressing by raising irrelevant points - is that Obama can have any kind of relationship he wants, but the nature and depth of his relationship with Pastor Wright contradicts Obama’s claims that he is the kind of person who confronts and challenges racist thinking.
I don’t think Obama is an evil guy - I just don’t think he is who is claiming to be.
Keep up.
I don’t need a cookie - after all, you made walking out of a church an impossible task. Save your cookie for Obama - should he ever decide to get up and walk out on Wright in a sermon.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
greekdawg wrote:
How easily some of you succumb to the politics of fear.
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Politics of fear my ass. What are we supposedly afraid of?
The man is an insincere phony. Since the only thing he brings is change and the more we look at him the more he looks like any other politician we don’t see much opportunity for change. Just an empty suit spouting someone else’s words.[/quote]
still unable to grasp the concepts of “speech writers” (Hillary, McCain, and even Bush have them!) and that Obama writes his own speeches (a change in itself), including the one given yesterday, a speech that could only demonstrate to a normal person that he is someone trying to bring change in spite of and because of where he comes from.
That he might utterly fail is always a distinct possibility, but the other candidates are offering nothing… McCain doesn’t appear to understand any issue, let alone the economy, frankly he looked like a joke yesterday with his al qaeda training in iran comment (that he’s repeated elsewhere) and Hillary I believe will be blocked at every path by republicans, so all things being equal, that leaves Obama.
[quote]100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
greekdawg wrote:
How easily some of you succumb to the politics of fear.
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Politics of fear my ass. What are we supposedly afraid of?
The man is an insincere phony. Since the only thing he brings is change and the more we look at him the more he looks like any other politician we don’t see much opportunity for change. Just an empty suit spouting someone else’s words.
still unable to grasp the concepts of “speech writers”
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I see you are stil unable to grasp humor.
Huh? He is not trying to bring about change! He is trying to get elected. He went to this church to get votes from that community when he was a local politician and now he is throwing them under the bus in a national race. He is not trying to change a thing!
Are you really this gullible? Are you paid by his campaign? Are you capable of reasonable discussion?
Obama will have a harder time with the Republicans than Hillary. I think you are paid by his campaign but whatever they pay you it is too much.
As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about, but blather anyway. Let’s have a look.
I don’t bring the issue up - inevitably, it comes up because every so often, a kid’s parent comes in and objects to my helping tutor them because I am white. I don’t raise the issue of race relations - but I always have to address it with the kids and the grandparents because someone else raises it for me.
Interestingly, outside of the idiot parent that occasionally storms in, none of the folks I have ever dealt with - the grandparents, the single mom, or the kids themselves - share your persecution complex. They don’t look for racism in every human transaction they are involved in. They don’t presume racist behavior in every person they meet. They have grievances, and the old folks especially share their stories of segregation. But they - to a man - never squeal quite like you do.[/quote]
I am on my way to work so I will respond to whatever else you have written later. However, this paragraph of pure crap I will take the time out for. You don’t grasp much of what I have written on the issue if you have come to the conclusion that every human reaction is seen as racist. Instead, you take instances I have described, even when I have specifically written that I normally wouldn’t even dwell on the issue (go ahead, go find that thread again and lie as you claim this was not mentioned) and twist it…as usual.
Squeal? Like I bring up racism on a daily basis to people I meet? I write about it here because the issue comes up. How you came to the conclusion that this means I discuss the issue in public or see racism everywhere is beyond me…but then, you never were able to grasp that someone else may have a valid position. Instead, for some strange reason, you think you are superior to me or anyone else in terms of your perspective or how much you follow politics.
I have yet to be impressed. You have yet to quit lying.
Go find those posts (we just had a debate about it not too long ago) and let me know what was actually stated.
While it does not necessarily mean Obama himself endorses these views, I would never belong to a church that spills such vicious, hate-filled spew. Or have such a pastor baptize my kids. I think it speaks poorly of Obama that he would. The fact that the guy has good qualities too is no excuse. There are other good pastors out there.
I hope those of you with family members or friends who have ever said anything that could be seen as even partially racist ended that relationship immediately. If not, please pass the hypocrisy.
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I have never heard anything even remotely racist come out of any of my family members or my friends mouths.
Well, I don’t have many friends… In fact, I don’t have any at all… But the imaginary ones I talk to would never utter a racial epiteth.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
It always comes down to the Jews with you.
Not Jews. ZI-O-NISTS!
Don’t blame me because they have tremendous influence on your country or 'cause Obama sucks up to them.[/quote]
lixy,
Evangelicals support Israel, as do a good majority of conservatives, who compose 40-50% of the country. It’s not zionists, it’s America herself that supports Israel.
As the evangelical church and it’s emergent offspring drift leftward, that will change, much to your liking. Until that time, it’s us that are the problem, not the zionists.
[quote]Red herring. I thought you went and learned up on this stuff?
I am not attacking Obama because he “knows someone who said something racist”. I have stated it many times. My point - which you aren’t addressing by raising irrelevant points - is that Obama can have any kind of relationship he wants, but the nature and depth of his relationship with Pastor Wright contradicts Obama’s claims that he is the kind of person who confronts and challenges racist thinking.
I don’t think Obama is an evil guy - I just don’t think he is who is claiming to be. [/quote]
Nobody will fault you for ignoring him further. His position is clear: America is built on the backs of nonwhite slaves. White people in general are monolithic. Those who lived in the Northeast and opposed slavery and Jim Crow are the same as those who live in the South who supported it. His anti-white hatred is clear. He is another Angry Black Male - pissed off for God-knows-what - as evidenced by the picture in his avatar.
Pastor Write’s theology, although in his case it’s called {black liberation theology}:
[i]“What is Liberation Theology?”
Simply put, Liberation Theology is an attempt to interpret Scripture through the plight of the poor. It is largely a humanistic doctrine. It started in South America in the turbulent 1950’s when Marxism was making great gains among the poor because of its emphasis on the redistribution of wealth, allowing poor peasants to share in the wealth of the colonial elite and thus upgrade their economic status in life. As a theology, it has very strong Roman Catholic roots.
Liberation Theology was bolstered in 1968 at the Second Latin American Bishops Conference which met in Medellin, Colombia. The idea was to study the Bible and to fight for social justice in Christian (Catholic) communities. Since the only governmental model for the redistribution of the wealth in a South American country was a Marxist model (gained in the turbulent 1950’s), the redistribution of wealth to raise the economic standards of the poor in South America took on a definite Marxist flavor. Since those who had money were very reluctant to part with it in any wealth redistribution model, the use of a populist (read poor) revolt was encouraged by those who worked most closely with the poor. As a result, the Liberation Theology model was mired in Marxist dogma and revolutionary causes.
As a result of its Marxist leanings, by the 1980’s the Catholic hierarchy, from Pope John Paul on down, had criticized liberation theology as practiced by the bishops and priests of South America. As a result, they have been accused of supporting violent revolutions and outright Marxist class struggle by the top hierarchy of the Catholic Church. This perversion usually is the result of a humanist view of man being codified into Church Doctrine by zealous priests and bishops and explains why the Catholic top hierarchy now want to separate themselves from a Marxist doctrine and revolution.
However, Liberation Theology has moved from the poor peasants in South America to the poor blacks in America. We now have Black Liberation Theology being preached in the black community. It is the same Marxist, revolutionary, humanistic philosophy found in South American Liberation Theology and has no more claim for a scriptural basis than the South American model has. False doctrine is still false, no matter how it is dressed up or what fancy name is attached to it. In the same way that revolutionary fervor was stirred up in South America, Liberation Theology is now trying to stir up revolutionary fervor among Blacks in America. If the church in America recognizes the falseness of Black Liberation Theology as the Catholic Church did in the South American model, Black Liberation Theology will suffer the same fate that the South America Liberation Theology did, namely it will be seen to be the false doctrine of a humanist viewpoint dressed up in theological terms.[/i]
Seems to fit Obama’s political/social perspective…
