Was good.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
When Aeschines spoke, they said, “How well he speaks.” But when Demosthenes spoke, they said, “Let us march against Philip.”
This guy strikes me as an Aeschines.
We’ll see.[/quote]
Great reference, and I agree. Obama likes to cruise comfortably at 30,000 feet with his stuff and doesn’t appear to connect on the kind of visceral guts-level that would make men march barefoot in the cold.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
…
Obama is a very good actor - and don’t take that to sound as if I am calling him fake or otherwise insulting him. I mean “actor” to mean a person who understands performance, which I think he does. I think he delivered well.
…[/quote]
If Varq can quote Aeschines, I can quote Samuel Goldwyn, as insightful on politics as on acting:
“In Hollywood, all that matters is sincerity. And once you can fake that, you have it made.”
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
He has some good speach writers, I’ll give him that much
He wrote his own. Couldn’t you tell? It was pathetic.
The crowd was waiting for something akin to ‘I have a dream!!’ and got this rambling incoherent mess, without theme or substance. Even this very pro-Obama crowd rarely clapped, shocked by how empty the speech was.
I think he did a ‘spoiled brat’ act to his handlers and insisted on writing his own speech. Bet they’ll never do that again.
President of the stupid, by the stupid, and for the stupid…pathetic.
[/quote]
Says the guy with the Ayn Rand avatar…
[quote]Hugo82 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
He has some good speach writers, I’ll give him that much
He wrote his own. Couldn’t you tell? It was pathetic.
The crowd was waiting for something akin to ‘I have a dream!!’ and got this rambling incoherent mess, without theme or substance. Even this very pro-Obama crowd rarely clapped, shocked by how empty the speech was.
I think he did a ‘spoiled brat’ act to his handlers and insisted on writing his own speech. Bet they’ll never do that again.
President of the stupid, by the stupid, and for the stupid…pathetic.
Says the guy with the Ayn Rand avatar…[/quote]
Please explain to me what;s wrong with Ayn Rand?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Then the reality of liberal policies bites us in the ass. Strap yourselves in, this is going to be a bumpy ride.[/quote]
Agreed !!!
wait wait, is he more of the same or undercover Marxist conspirator? you guys need to get it straight.
but yea more of the same of the past 8 years? yea, fucked indeed.
didn’t bother to watch the speech.
he has the kind of opportunity bush had post 9-11, in the national and international level. all we can do hope he doesn’t drop the ball like it was last time.
tl;dr
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
When Aeschines spoke, they said, “How well he speaks.” But when Demosthenes spoke, they said, “Let us march against Philip.”
This guy strikes me as an Aeschines.
We’ll see.
Great reference, and I agree. Obama likes to cruise comfortably at 30,000 feet with his stuff and doesn’t appear to connect on the kind of visceral guts-level that would make men march barefoot in the cold.
[/quote]
But the crowd needed inspiration. They needed a Churchill or FDR, and they got a guy ‘playing it safe’.
Pretty accurate review. Lot’s of sizzle. Little substance. Enthralled the moonbats. Amused the more objective.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
He has some good speach writers, I’ll give him that much[/quote]
Actually, Obama wrote most of the speech himself in the last two weeks.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
When Aeschines spoke, they said, “How well he speaks.” But when Demosthenes spoke, they said, “Let us march against Philip.”
This guy strikes me as an Aeschines.
We’ll see.
Great reference, and I agree. Obama likes to cruise comfortably at 30,000 feet with his stuff and doesn’t appear to connect on the kind of visceral guts-level that would make men march barefoot in the cold.
[/quote]
I take that as a good thing.
People who are prepared to do that almost always walk in the wrong direction.
[quote]forlife wrote:
Actually, Obama wrote most of the speech himself in the last two weeks.[/quote]
Not.
I look forward to seeing what he can do. I mean he talks of good game and acts a good game, but I need to see actions. I am hopeful however. And I think that is what people need today is hope. Now for you people who want to put words into my mouth, thats not all we need. But, it does make a difference. I will reserve my judgement until I have seen what he does. I mean its only Day 1 not really a lot to go on here.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:
…the kind of opportunity bush had post 9-11, in the national and international level. all we can do hope he doesn’t drop the ball like it was last time.
Yeah, that stinkin Bush pisses me off too. Since you mentioned 9-11, look at all the people who’ve died at the hands of terrorists on American soil since then. Absolutely disgusting. It’s a good thing he’s gone. I sure hope BO can stop the bloodshed.[/quote]
Pushy, preventing deaths of americans on american soil is not the ONLY job of the POTUS. Also we have no idea if more than a handful of attacks were even attempted. AND to further that, even a democratic president would have beefed up CIA and FBI which is what stopped the few other plots. So if we give him credit for doing ONE thing right, we certainly are well within our rights to give him full credit for fucking up 20 things. (approxamately)
Basically, my view of bush is that he was so one tract minded, that people still died on american soil, just instead of it being from a terrorist attack, it was from a hurricane. AND thousands died over seas fighting a country over invisible WMD’s.
V
I don’t like John Stewart, but this was really quite funny and true:
http://msunderestimated.com/2009/01/21/daily-show-what-differences-between-bush-obama-video/
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Vegita wrote:
pushharder wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:
…the kind of opportunity bush had post 9-11, in the national and international level. all we can do hope he doesn’t drop the ball like it was last time.
Yeah, that stinkin Bush pisses me off too. Since you mentioned 9-11, look at all the people who’ve died at the hands of terrorists on American soil since then. Absolutely disgusting. It’s a good thing he’s gone. I sure hope BO can stop the bloodshed.
Pushy, preventing deaths of americans on american soil is not the ONLY job of the POTUS. Also we have no idea if more than a handful of attacks were even attempted. AND to further that, even a democratic president would have beefed up CIA and FBI which is what stopped the few other plots. So if we give him credit for doing ONE thing right, we certainly are well within our rights to give him full credit for fucking up 20 things. (approxamately)
Basically, my view of bush is that he was so one tract minded, that people still died on american soil, just instead of it being from a terrorist attack, it was from a hurricane. AND thousands died over seas fighting a country over invisible WMD’s.
V
My problem with Bush is he wasn’t conservative enough.
I don’t conjecture that he killed people with a hurricane or sacrificed lives over invisible WMDs. I’m smart enough to know that hurricanes can kill people with or without a president’s permission and I’ve seen enough gassed Kurds to know WMDs aren’t invisible.
I responded to the terrorist attack deal precisely because PB brought it up. He directly referenced 9-11 and in the same sentence said Bush “dropped the ball”. If he meant something different he should have structured his statement in a more coherent fashion.
Without trying to dredge up the whole Iraq war legitimacy issue, let me remind you that the Iraq War started in 1990. G.W. Bush didn’t start the war. He finished it. What we saw from '02 to the present is a continuation of that war not an initialization.
We didn’t war with Iraq in this century because of WMDs. We did it because of treaty violations and direct and indirect threats from Hussein. WMDs were part of the picture and yes, part of the justification but they were not WHY we invaded Iraq a second time in the same war.
Please, Veg, don’t you or any other reasonable person distill the Iraq War down to the simplistic view that WMDs were what it is all about. To do so relegates you to receiving a legitimate criticism of having a “one track mind” which you just happen to incidentally loathe in your now ex-president.[/quote]
BBC this morning was effusive about how well things are going in Iraq. I mean they were positively giddy to report about how well things are going - suddenly, the morning after Obama was inaugurated.
The BBC usually seeks out and focuses on the most horrifying aspect possible; and if they don’t find any fresh new horrors to report ad nauseum, they don’t report on Iraq.
Now that the messiah has been coronated, however, this miracle has come to pass. Many others to follow I’m sure.
Bush’s greatest sin - what really infuriated the left about him - was succeeding in Iraq.