I think it’s weird when people have constantly remind others how smart they are or have to declare their own victories. It’s a sure sign of low self esteem and personal weakness.
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Speaking of Obola’s hubris I think this is pungent reminder of young Bistro’s.
I’d have to say in both cases its origins obviously harken back to their days as a youth. For Bistro that was a small number of months ago; for Bam, of course, a few decades.[/quote]
I think it’s more immaturity than hubris. Feeling the need to talk like the reading comprehension portion of the SAT whether your talking about taking a shit, or quantum mechanics is a signal of maturity and an overwhelming need for validation.[/quote]
BUT HE IS THINK TANK BOUND!!
/the problem with government [/quote]
Have you contributed anything to this discussion outside of vapid insults?[/quote]
Oh grow a pair Mary…you’re not going to last too long in Big Gubmint if you cannot do anything but simply quote from your latest textbook.
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I have no problem with some ball busting as long as it’s accompanied with an argument. Your posts are nothing more than childish insults regarding my age, occupation, field of study, and incorrectly assumed career goals. You may not know this, but strong arguments are evidenced and cite the work of influential thinkers in the pertinent field. It isn’t enough to argue from intuition, nor is it to simply cite. That is why I interject my own position. Acknowledging the theoretical origins of my arguments is simply giving credit where credit is due, and one can hardly be criticized for envoking the fundamental texts of field relevant to the discussion at hand.
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Listen young fella, we have been discussing issues in this forum since before you had pubes. It simply becomes tedious when you argue a position because you have been taught that it is correct, rather than figuring it out on your own. In politics as in life, experience matters.
If you sound like you are quoting a textbook or your latest professor you most likely are…and I would just assume listen to him, rather than somebody in grad school who has the whole world figured out.
How do I know this? When I joined this forum I was in grad school and I learned to shut the fuck up pretty quickly, as I was not nearly experienced in the ways of the world as I thought I was.
Barack the First Crowns Himself with Executive Amnesty
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Yeah, I am real happy about this. I hope the new congress gives him absolute hell. Hopefully they will defund any measures taken by Executive Order. He is executive branch, not legislative. This is an abuse of power.[/quote]
Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution…
The Congress shall have the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization. Not may, but shall.
Barack the First Crowns Himself with Executive Amnesty
[/quote]
Yeah, I am real happy about this. I hope the new congress gives him absolute hell. Hopefully they will defund any measures taken by Executive Order. He is executive branch, not legislative. This is an abuse of power.[/quote]
Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution…
The Congress shall have the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization. Not may, but shall. [/quote]
What the fuck do you know Max? You’re not a constitutional lawyer.
Barack the First Crowns Himself with Executive Amnesty
[/quote]
Yeah, I am real happy about this. I hope the new congress gives him absolute hell. Hopefully they will defund any measures taken by Executive Order. He is executive branch, not legislative. This is an abuse of power.[/quote]
Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution…
The Congress shall have the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization. Not may, but shall. [/quote]
What the fuck do you know Max? You’re not a constitutional lawyer.[/quote]
You’re right, but if the president lied to pass his healthcare law, then his ability to lie should be assumed in any and all actions he does.
In politics, if you’re not cheating you’re not trying.
Barack the First Crowns Himself with Executive Amnesty
[/quote]
Yeah, I am real happy about this. I hope the new congress gives him absolute hell. Hopefully they will defund any measures taken by Executive Order. He is executive branch, not legislative. This is an abuse of power.[/quote]
Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution…
The Congress shall have the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization. Not may, but shall. [/quote]
What the fuck do you know Max? You’re not a constitutional lawyer.[/quote]
You’re right, but if the president lied to pass his healthcare law, then his ability to lie should be assumed in any and all actions he does.
In politics, if you’re not cheating you’re not trying.
[/quote]
I was just poking at Obama there.
Everything he does is fucked up.
Says right in the constitution that Naturalization is the responsibility of Congress.
So what does he do? Makes another category where illegals are not citizens or illegals.
Also, how is anyone to prove the “been here for 5 years” when they’ve been here undocumented? Undocumented implies off-the-record, no papers showing how long they’ve been here or who they’ve worked for. Also, hiring illegals is illegal iirc, so someone saying that they’ve had these people working for them has also broken the law.
Barack the First Crowns Himself with Executive Amnesty
[/quote]
Yeah, I am real happy about this. I hope the new congress gives him absolute hell. Hopefully they will defund any measures taken by Executive Order. He is executive branch, not legislative. This is an abuse of power.[/quote]
Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution…
The Congress shall have the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization. Not may, but shall. [/quote]
What the fuck do you know Max? You’re not a constitutional lawyer.[/quote]
You’re right, but if the president lied to pass his healthcare law, then his ability to lie should be assumed in any and all actions he does.
In politics, if you’re not cheating you’re not trying.
[/quote]
I was just poking at Obama there.
Everything he does is fucked up.
Says right in the constitution that Naturalization is the responsibility of Congress.
So what does he do? Makes another category where illegals are not citizens or illegals.
Also, how is anyone to prove the “been here for 5 years” when they’ve been here undocumented? Undocumented implies off-the-record, no papers showing how long they’ve been here or who they’ve worked for. Also, hiring illegals is illegal iirc, so someone saying that they’ve had these people working for them has also broken the law.
[quote]hmm87 wrote:
But what is congress doing about this issue?
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That’s beside the point. The President doesn’t get to over rule the constitution just because, in his opinion, Congress isn’t doing their job.
[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:
Just got done watching his immigration speech. Obama’s ass must be jealous of his mouth because of the amount of shit that comes out of it.[/quote]
Barack the First Crowns Himself with Executive Amnesty
[/quote]
Yeah, I am real happy about this. I hope the new congress gives him absolute hell. Hopefully they will defund any measures taken by Executive Order. He is executive branch, not legislative. This is an abuse of power.[/quote]
Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution…
The Congress shall have the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization. Not may, but shall. [/quote]
What the fuck do you know Max? You’re not a constitutional lawyer.[/quote]
You’re right, but if the president lied to pass his healthcare law, then his ability to lie should be assumed in any and all actions he does.
In politics, if you’re not cheating you’re not trying.
[/quote]
I agree. My insurance went up nearly $2000 this year because of that fucking law. I am pissed.
Barack the First Crowns Himself with Executive Amnesty
[/quote]
Yeah, I am real happy about this. I hope the new congress gives him absolute hell. Hopefully they will defund any measures taken by Executive Order. He is executive branch, not legislative. This is an abuse of power.[/quote]
Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution…
The Congress shall have the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization. Not may, but shall. [/quote]
What the fuck do you know Max? You’re not a constitutional lawyer.[/quote]
You’re right, but if the president lied to pass his healthcare law, then his ability to lie should be assumed in any and all actions he does.
In politics, if you’re not cheating you’re not trying.
[/quote]
I was just poking at Obama there.
Everything he does is fucked up.
Says right in the constitution that Naturalization is the responsibility of Congress.
So what does he do? Makes another category where illegals are not citizens or illegals.
Also, how is anyone to prove the “been here for 5 years” when they’ve been here undocumented? Undocumented implies off-the-record, no papers showing how long they’ve been here or who they’ve worked for. Also, hiring illegals is illegal iirc, so someone saying that they’ve had these people working for them has also broken the law.
Giant clusterfuck.[/quote]
But what is congress doing about this issue?
[/quote]
Hopefully they will defund his idiotic executive action.
“In contrast to either war or the “quick, decisive military strategy,” which George described as a military strategy that aimed to negate adversary capabilities to contest what is at stake, coercive diplomacy is a political-diplomatic strategy that aims to influence an adversary’s will or incentive structure. It is a strategy that combines threats of force, and, if necessary, the limited and selective use of force in discrete and controlled increments, in a bargaining strategy that includes positive inducements. The aim is to induce an adversary to comply with one’s demands, or to negotiate the most favorable compromise possible, while simultaneously managing the crisis to prevent unwanted military escalation.” (Jack S. Levy. Deterrence and Coercive Diplomacy: The Contributions of Alexander George)
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I’m not sure why you are quoting an academic exposition of coercive diplomacy. I have articulated specifically why diplomacy has conspicuously, consistently and dramatically failed with the Islamic Republic of Iran and the immeasurable consequences of this failed diplomacy.
Uh huh. And given the failure of coercive diplomacy, many have long argued that the military option is the only resort left, “extremely unattractive” or otherwise.
And coercive diplomacy has failed; both in its praxis and outcomes.
An impossible “trick to pull off” - threats and inducements not being taken seriously by either side.
A fundamental miscalculation. There is not “distrust” from Iran towards the United States; there is enmity. An enmity taken to the level of the existential. Iran does not seek accommodation from the West. It seeks the annihilation of the West. Its objectives are not limited and rational; they are unlimited. You cannot come to terms with a regime that seeks to destroy you.
You are missing the fundamental objective of sanctions. The objective is not to harm the Iranian economy. The objective is to force Iran to end its military nuclear program. This objective has not been achieved; not by any objective standard.
And yet you take Iran’s breakout capacity as a fait accompli; essentially an admission that the fundamental objectives of diplomacy have failed.
Pat can speak for himself. I have articulated clearly why I oppose appeasement dressed up as diplomatic coercion. A decade of sticks and carrots have failed in their principle objective.
Ever since I started posting on PWI I have demonstrated Obama’s fundamental hostility to Israel again and again. The latest example: a number of Israelis, including three US citizens, were just hacked to pieces by axe wielding Palestinians in East Jerusalem. Obama, commenting on the attack, failed to even mention that the victims were Jews(and US citizens) and the perpetrators Palestinians. He then bemoaned “so many Palestinians dying”. Obama does not recognise the sovereignty of Israel over Jerusalem. He has taken a radical position completely at odds with previous administrations, calling for an Israeli withdrawal to pre-67 “borders”.
I’m aware that Obama has done everything within his power to obstruct arms sales to Israel.
I have and do and have articulated why. The objective of Iranian nuclear containment or roll back cannot be achieved via diplomacy. The acceptance of breakout as a fait accompli is essentially acceptance of the fact that the principle objective of the last decade of diplomacy has failed. It is an acceptance of failure masked by a de jure rejection of Iranian nuclear rights; a rejection in name only with no basis in reality.
I was referring to realism in International Relations and the fact that a purely self-interested foreign policy would regard detente with Iran madness and regard diplomacy with Iran as a demonstrable failure; a failure entirely predictable given the absolutism and unlimited objectives of Iran and their track record of perfidy and deception.
Specifically, you are abandoning practical and material considerations in favour of ideology.
One cannot be a realist whilst holding a belief grounded in fantasy; a belief that Iran can be forced through sanctions and threats or incentives to abandon their nuclear ambitions. It is idealistic to believe such.
Sentiments of idealism likely masking a calculated decision to abandon Israel in order to seek detente with the Muslim world.
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I have written numerous times that a nuclear Iran is not in the interest of the United States. We disagree what incentives Iran to seek nuclear capability. In addition, we disagree about U.S. policy to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear weapons state; however, we both believe that Iran must not be allowed to become nuclear. If coercive diplomacy fails to dissuade Iran from seeking the bomb, I have no qualms with a prudently planned air campaign against its nuclear facilities and related delivery systems. A ground war is out of the question, however. [/quote]
It’s a question of recognising that coercive diplomacy has already failed; predictably so. To entertain fantasies of diplomatic curtailment of Iran is either idealism or a calculated realist position(a flawed one) masked as idealism.
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Actually, this well articulated post speaks for my position on the matter as well. Iran is a hostile state, who’s goals are to destroy ultimately their enemies by any means possible, while maintaining a facade of ‘reasonableness’ in the international community until they are able to achieve their ultimate goal. It would be less obvious if they haven’t actually stated as much.
I say let them build it and let Israel bomb it out of existence.
Barack the First Crowns Himself with Executive Amnesty
[/quote]
Yeah, I am real happy about this. I hope the new congress gives him absolute hell. Hopefully they will defund any measures taken by Executive Order. He is executive branch, not legislative. This is an abuse of power.[/quote]
Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution…
The Congress shall have the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization. Not may, but shall. [/quote]
What the fuck do you know Max? You’re not a constitutional lawyer.[/quote]
You’re right, but if the president lied to pass his healthcare law, then his ability to lie should be assumed in any and all actions he does.
In politics, if you’re not cheating you’re not trying.
[/quote]
I was just poking at Obama there.
Everything he does is fucked up.
Says right in the constitution that Naturalization is the responsibility of Congress.
So what does he do? Makes another category where illegals are not citizens or illegals.
Also, how is anyone to prove the “been here for 5 years” when they’ve been here undocumented? Undocumented implies off-the-record, no papers showing how long they’ve been here or who they’ve worked for. Also, hiring illegals is illegal iirc, so someone saying that they’ve had these people working for them has also broken the law.
Giant clusterfuck.[/quote]
But what is congress doing about this issue?
[/quote]
Congress is doing what they’re being bribed to do, which is keep the border open. The truth is, I believe Republicans are on board with this amnesty, because their whoremasters want cheap labor all day every day. I think Republicans are getting some cover from this issue, because they can shout and stomp their feet to appease the base, while getting the cheap workers they love. Close the border, with tanks, moats, and dragons, people will be more open to some kind of legalization.
People who broke the law learned to just bitch and moan long enough, because it will pay off. Everyone else who followed the law got a big middle finger.
[quote]hmm87 wrote:
But what is congress doing about this issue?
[/quote]
That’s beside the point. The President doesn’t get to over rule the constitution just because, in his opinion, Congress isn’t doing their job. [/quote]
I think it’s a pretty smart move by the president. He’s putting them a spot where they will just make claims about this being illegal and continue to do nothing.
Barack the First Crowns Himself with Executive Amnesty
[/quote]
Yeah, I am real happy about this. I hope the new congress gives him absolute hell. Hopefully they will defund any measures taken by Executive Order. He is executive branch, not legislative. This is an abuse of power.[/quote]
Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution…
The Congress shall have the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization. Not may, but shall. [/quote]
What the fuck do you know Max? You’re not a constitutional lawyer.[/quote]
You’re right, but if the president lied to pass his healthcare law, then his ability to lie should be assumed in any and all actions he does.
In politics, if you’re not cheating you’re not trying.
[/quote]
I was just poking at Obama there.
Everything he does is fucked up.
Says right in the constitution that Naturalization is the responsibility of Congress.
So what does he do? Makes another category where illegals are not citizens or illegals.
Also, how is anyone to prove the “been here for 5 years” when they’ve been here undocumented? Undocumented implies off-the-record, no papers showing how long they’ve been here or who they’ve worked for. Also, hiring illegals is illegal iirc, so someone saying that they’ve had these people working for them has also broken the law.
Giant clusterfuck.[/quote]
But what is congress doing about this issue?
[/quote]
Congress is doing what they’re being bribed to do, which is keep the border open. The truth is, I believe Republicans are on board with this amnesty, because their whoremasters want cheap labor all day every day. I think Republicans are getting some cover from this issue, because they can shout and stomp their feet to appease the base, while getting the cheap workers they love. Close the border, with tanks, moats, and dragons, people will be more open to some kind of legalization.
People who broke the law learned to just bitch and moan long enough, because it will pay off. Everyone else who followed the law got a big middle finger.
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Exactly. Republicans will do nothing but make claims of how bad and illegal this is. They do want this.
Barack the First Crowns Himself with Executive Amnesty
[/quote]
Yeah, I am real happy about this. I hope the new congress gives him absolute hell. Hopefully they will defund any measures taken by Executive Order. He is executive branch, not legislative. This is an abuse of power.[/quote]
Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution…
The Congress shall have the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization. Not may, but shall. [/quote]
What the fuck do you know Max? You’re not a constitutional lawyer.[/quote]
You’re right, but if the president lied to pass his healthcare law, then his ability to lie should be assumed in any and all actions he does.
In politics, if you’re not cheating you’re not trying.
[/quote]
I was just poking at Obama there.
Everything he does is fucked up.
Says right in the constitution that Naturalization is the responsibility of Congress.
So what does he do? Makes another category where illegals are not citizens or illegals.
Also, how is anyone to prove the “been here for 5 years” when they’ve been here undocumented? Undocumented implies off-the-record, no papers showing how long they’ve been here or who they’ve worked for. Also, hiring illegals is illegal iirc, so someone saying that they’ve had these people working for them has also broken the law.
Giant clusterfuck.[/quote]
But what is congress doing about this issue?
[/quote]
Congress is doing what they’re being bribed to do, which is keep the border open. The truth is, I believe Republicans are on board with this amnesty, because their whoremasters want cheap labor all day every day. I think Republicans are getting some cover from this issue, because they can shout and stomp their feet to appease the base, while getting the cheap workers they love. Close the border, with tanks, moats, and dragons, people will be more open to some kind of legalization.
People who broke the law learned to just bitch and moan long enough, because it will pay off. Everyone else who followed the law got a big middle finger.
[/quote]
Exactly. Republicans will do nothing but make claims of how bad and illegal this is. They do want this.
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1986 amnesty promised to close the border, never happened.
Border fence bill promised to build 700 miles of fence, never happened.
All this bullshit is political theatre to silence the critics, as business gets their labor they want.
Anyone else notice how Obama made no mention of going after businesses who employ illegal aliens ?
Bottom line, the American people got snowed again, in broad daylight. Jonathan Gruber was right about the stupidity of Americans voters.
You have the low information right who doesn’t get this point and think stopping immigration will decrease unemployment and make us safer.
The sad fact is a lot of people don’t want to work, especially at the shitty jobs these illegals will take, hustle at, and improve their socio-economic status. The only way to fix this is to reform welfare, which will be difficult given the world is on the verge of another financial crisis.
The disturbing thing is the way he is doing it, more power to the executive, and the failure of Congress to educate their constituencies and take a stand on the issue.
Part of it is playing the 2016 political election game, which most political insiders seem to love. Outsiders look at how our system works and can only think WTF.
Barack the First Crowns Himself with Executive Amnesty
[/quote]
Yeah, I am real happy about this. I hope the new congress gives him absolute hell. Hopefully they will defund any measures taken by Executive Order. He is executive branch, not legislative. This is an abuse of power.[/quote]
Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution…
The Congress shall have the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization. Not may, but shall. [/quote]
What the fuck do you know Max? You’re not a constitutional lawyer.[/quote]
You’re right, but if the president lied to pass his healthcare law, then his ability to lie should be assumed in any and all actions he does.
In politics, if you’re not cheating you’re not trying.
[/quote]
I was just poking at Obama there.
Everything he does is fucked up.
Says right in the constitution that Naturalization is the responsibility of Congress.
So what does he do? Makes another category where illegals are not citizens or illegals.
Also, how is anyone to prove the “been here for 5 years” when they’ve been here undocumented? Undocumented implies off-the-record, no papers showing how long they’ve been here or who they’ve worked for. Also, hiring illegals is illegal iirc, so someone saying that they’ve had these people working for them has also broken the law.
Giant clusterfuck.[/quote]
But what is congress doing about this issue?
[/quote]
Hopefully they will defund his idiotic executive action.[/quote]
They might just to look like the good guys. but after that this issue will go nowhere.