Interesting how the B1 visas got thrown in with this action, eh?
And who says it ain’t about labor???
I wonder how all the immigrants who did it the right way, received citizenship and now watch all those who broke the law get away with it feel about this?
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
I wonder how all the immigrants who did it the right way, received citizenship and now watch all those who broke the law get away with it feel about this?[/quote]
And not only that, these bastards are now competing with them for their jobs!! This new influx will now be able to be employed legally, and will gladly accept a lower wage.
Ain’t that a bitch?
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
I wonder how all the immigrants who did it the right way, received citizenship and now watch all those who broke the law get away with it feel about this?[/quote]
Like fucking fools.
So they’re not citizens, still can’t vote, but can work, and not be deported.
Also, have been here illegally, eg without documentation, working for cash, eg not filed taxes, don’t own property, eg more paper trail and will be given amnesty if they can prove they’ve been here for 5 years.
Ok there Margie.
Given that Obama hasn’t been deporting illegals
What’s the incentive for these people to want to start filing taxes, being hassled to file paper work, and make less money (due to filing taxes) and any other associated fees/back-payments?
They came here illegally because they didn’t want to go through the proper channels. It was a “hassle” to legally immigrate, the process which they subverted, so why would they bother to claim their presence now?
They established themselves, and their families.
Their is little to no threat of deportation, currently.
This is political pandering.
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Given that Obama hasn’t been deporting illegals
What’s the incentive for these people to want to start filing taxes, being hassled to file paper work, and make less money (due to filing taxes) and any other associated fees/back-payments?
They came here illegally because they didn’t want to go through the proper channels. It was a “hassle” to legally immigrate, the process which they subverted, so why would they bother to claim their presence now?
They established themselves, and their families.
Their is little to no threat of deportation, currently.
This is political pandering.
[/quote]
The Dem’s just got 5 million new votes…and now they can call the GOP RAYYYCCESSSSSSSSSS
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
I wonder how all the immigrants who did it the right way, received citizenship and now watch all those who broke the law get away with it feel about this?[/quote]
Yeah, I am pissed. Technically, I am one of those though my parents did all the work since I was a baby when we came here.
[quote]theuofh wrote:
Republicans do want this, Bush did it too.
You have the low information right who doesn’t get this point and think stopping immigration will decrease unemployment and make us safer.
The sad fact is a lot of people don’t want to work, especially at the shitty jobs these illegals will take, hustle at, and improve their socio-economic status. The only way to fix this is to reform welfare, which will be difficult given the world is on the verge of another financial crisis.
The disturbing thing is the way he is doing it, more power to the executive, and the failure of Congress to educate their constituencies and take a stand on the issue.
Part of it is playing the 2016 political election game, which most political insiders seem to love. Outsiders look at how our system works and can only think WTF. [/quote]
This is a good post. The bold part in particular my biggest gripe.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]theuofh wrote:
Republicans do want this, Bush did it too.
You have the low information right who doesn’t get this point and think stopping immigration will decrease unemployment and make us safer.
The sad fact is a lot of people don’t want to work, especially at the shitty jobs these illegals will take, hustle at, and improve their socio-economic status. The only way to fix this is to reform welfare, which will be difficult given the world is on the verge of another financial crisis.
The disturbing thing is the way he is doing it, more power to the executive, and the failure of Congress to educate their constituencies and take a stand on the issue.
Part of it is playing the 2016 political election game, which most political insiders seem to love. Outsiders look at how our system works and can only think WTF. [/quote]
This is a good post. The bold part in particular my biggest gripe. [/quote]
Yeah, I have a huge problem with him doing it with executive order, that’s is a massive over reach of power. No president likes to work with congress, if he did, congress wouldn’t be doing its job.
It’s supposed to be hard passing bills, the checks and balances are there to ensure that it does not happen willy nilly.
I do not know if the judiciary can do anything here, he may be riding that tight rope just well enough. Nevertheless, it’s an abuse of power and he needs to be checked in to the boards for it.
And congress does need to get off their ass and get a proper immigration bill in place.
[quote]pat wrote:
And congress does need to get off their ass and get a proper immigration bill in place.[/quote]
Agreed, but this is politics, not reality.
The only shit that congress “passes” is taking my money, taking my freedom and giving it to themselves.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
And congress does need to get off their ass and get a proper immigration bill in place.[/quote]
Agreed, but this is politics, not reality.
The only shit that congress “passes” is taking my money, taking my freedom and giving it to themselves. [/quote]
This is the step they miss when teaching government in high school, where the almighty bribe comes into play.
The chapter that explains the cash, the whores, the vacations, and the golf memberships, were somehow all ripped out of every textbook in America.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
The Dem’s just got 5 million new votes…and now they can call the GOP RAYYYCCESSSSSSSSSS[/quote]
They are not getting citizenship i.e. no vote or welfare. They will pay an income tax.
[quote]theuofh wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
The Dem’s just got 5 million new votes…and now they can call the GOP RAYYYCCESSSSSSSSSS[/quote]
They are not getting citizenship i.e. no vote or welfare. They will pay an income tax. [/quote]
The specific people granted “temporary” amnesty, no, were not given the ability to vote.
However as you pointed out in your previous post, the uninformed Democrat letter voters will, none the less, be “energized” by this to come out and vote Hil’ 2016, so as to stop the evil GOP from being racists.
Plus I’m sure we’re all well aware of the Democratic “ground game”…
In the end, all this amounts to is pandering for votes. Didn’t work for Regan, wasn’t needed for Obama and the Democrats.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]theuofh wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
The Dem’s just got 5 million new votes…and now they can call the GOP RAYYYCCESSSSSSSSSS[/quote]
They are not getting citizenship i.e. no vote or welfare. They will pay an income tax. [/quote]
The specific people granted “temporary” amnesty, no, were not given the ability to vote.
However as you pointed out in your previous post, the uninformed Democrat letter voters will, none the less, be “energized” by this to come out and vote Hil’ 2016, so as to stop the evil GOP from being racists.
Plus I’m sure we’re all well aware of the Democratic “ground game”…
In the end, all this amounts to is pandering for votes. Didn’t work for Regan, wasn’t needed for Obama and the Democrats. [/quote]
Yes but the bloom is off the rose with politics, as well as the notion of some person being elected as if he/she is the the second coming of Christ.
Bam pulled an unprecedented number of people in '08, Thrillary won’t do the same in '16.
If people learned one thing from Bam, it’s that horseshit served on a silver platter is still horseshit.
[quote]theuofh wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
The Dem’s just got 5 million new votes…and now they can call the GOP RAYYYCCESSSSSSSSSS[/quote]
They are not getting citizenship i.e. no vote or welfare. They will pay an income tax. [/quote]
In theory, but Democrats claim that providing I.D. to vote is racist…so when the president declares that I.D. is not longer required to vote …VOLIA!!
And how many babies are these 5 million gonna pop out? That’s a lot of new citizens who think that whitieee is out to get um’.
Lol @ they’ll pay income tax. Sure they will.
[quote]theuofh wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
The Dem’s just got 5 million new votes…and now they can call the GOP RAYYYCCESSSSSSSSSS[/quote]
They are not getting citizenship i.e. no vote or welfare. They will pay an income tax. [/quote]
Large majority of them don’t make enough to file, or are paid off the books altogether. There is a $7 Billion underground economy in Cali, no one is going to forfeit that on account of Bam’s amnesty.
[quote]theuofh wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
The Dem’s just got 5 million new votes…and now they can call the GOP RAYYYCCESSSSSSSSSS[/quote]
They are not getting citizenship i.e. no vote or welfare. They will pay an income tax. [/quote]
And about 90% of them make a low household income with a large family. You know what that means???
EARNED INCOME CREDIT!!!
So they may get back more than they pay in! Makes sense.
[quote]theuofh wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
The Dem’s just got 5 million new votes…and now they can call the GOP RAYYYCCESSSSSSSSSS[/quote]
They are not getting citizenship i.e. no vote or welfare. They will pay an income tax. [/quote]
Their millions of kids will get a vote.