Obama's Domestic Paramilitary Force

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
The problem is the Republicans have not run such a campaign of this guy would have been kicked to the curb long ago.[/quote]

  • Palling around with terrorists?

  • Socialism?

  • Redistributionist in chief?

Look, remember when the left wing rabble around here spent much of every day describing how Bush and Cheney were the devil incarnate?

We’re seeing the other side of that now because it’s looking like a democratic victory.

Personally, I was disappointed to see such rubbish on the campaign trail, especially after McCain said he would not run that type of campaign.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
From an email I have received. I am not sure if it is accurate.

EXCERPTS FROM OBAMA’S BOOK:

From Dreams of My Father:‘I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.’

From Dreams of My Father : ‘I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.’

From Dreams of My Father:‘There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.’

From Dreams of My Father: ‘It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.’

From Dreams of My Father:‘I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa , that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.’

And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!!

From Audacity of Hope:‘I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.’[/quote]

From an email, huh? LOL!

EDIT: From the snopes link doogie quoted:

However, these cherry-picked statements are all presented devoid of context, and some of them are reworded from the original (or apparently non-existant).

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:

EXCERPTS FROM OBAMA’S BOOK:

From Dreams of My Father:‘I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.’

From Dreams of My Father : ‘I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.’

From Dreams of My Father:‘There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.’

From Dreams of My Father: ‘It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.’

From Dreams of My Father:‘I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa , that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.’

And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!!

From Audacity of Hope:‘I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.’[/quote]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ownwords.asp

[quote]vroom wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
From an email I have received. I am not sure if it is accurate.

EXCERPTS FROM OBAMA’S BOOK:

From Dreams of My Father:‘I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.’

From Dreams of My Father : ‘I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.’

From Dreams of My Father:‘There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.’

From Dreams of My Father: ‘It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.’

From Dreams of My Father:‘I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa , that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.’

And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!!

From Audacity of Hope:‘I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.’

From an email, huh? LOL![/quote]

No, it’s in his book. I’ve actually read it. Have you?

[quote]vroom wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
From an email I have received. I am not sure if it is accurate.

EXCERPTS FROM OBAMA’S BOOK:

From Dreams of My Father:‘I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.’

From Dreams of My Father : ‘I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.’

From Dreams of My Father:‘There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.’

From Dreams of My Father: ‘It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.’

From Dreams of My Father:‘I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa , that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.’

And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!!

From Audacity of Hope:‘I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.’

From an email, huh? LOL![/quote]

In this case I believe all of those excerpts are accurate. They are his own writing. I’m not sure why it’s surprising that the supposed post-racial candidate actually thinks along racial lines. He did attend a church steeped in black liberation theology for 20 years.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
No, it’s in his book. I’ve actually read it. Have you?
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Apparently, according to the snopes link, your reading comprehension is pretty abysmal.

According to some folks in another thread, they don’t think you should even have the right to vote…

[quote]vroom wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
The problem is the Republicans have not run such a campaign of this guy would have been kicked to the curb long ago.

  • Palling around with terrorists?

  • Socialism?

  • Redistributionist in chief?

Look, remember when the left wing rabble around here spent much of every day describing how Bush and Cheney were the devil incarnate?

We’re seeing the other side of that now because it’s looking like a democratic victory.

Personally, I was disappointed to see such rubbish on the campaign trail, especially after McCain said he would not run that type of campaign.[/quote]

LOL, you can’t be serious. We’ve trodden this ground over and over.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
LOL, you can’t be serious. We’ve trodden this ground over and over.[/quote]

I was lucky enough to miss it…

[quote]vroom wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
No, it’s in his book. I’ve actually read it. Have you?

Apparently, according to the snopes link, your reading comprehension is pretty abysmal.

According to some folks in another thread, they don’t think you should even have the right to vote…[/quote]

Another simple question avoided of course with another childish response. At least everyone you question has been able to back up what they say and you have failed to do the same. You’re posting complete nonsense as a desperate attempt to avoid admitting that people here are right.

[quote]vroom wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
No, it’s in his book. I’ve actually read it. Have you?

Apparently, according to the snopes link, your reading comprehension is pretty abysmal.

According to some folks in another thread, they don’t think you should even have the right to vote…[/quote]

The snopes article largely agrees with the comments above, the writers have just given it a more generous understanding than it deserves. What are we to make of this:

[quote]“I’m not black,” Joyce said. “I’m multiracial.” Then she started telling me about her father, who happened to be Italian and was the sweetest man in the world; and her mother, who happened to be part African and part French and part Native American and part something else. “Why should I have to choose between them?” she asked me. Her voice cracked, and I thought she was going to cry. “It’s not white people who are making me choose. Maybe it used to be that way, but now they’re willing to treat me like a person. No ? it’s black people who always have to make everything racial. They’re the ones making me choose. They’re the ones who are telling me that I can’t be who I am …”

They, they, they. That was the problem with people like Joyce. They talked about the richness of their multicultural heritage and it sounded real good, until you noticed that they avoided black people …

To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At night, in the dorms, we discussed neocolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism, and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society’s stifling conventions. We weren’t indifferent or careless or insecure. We were alienated.

But this strategy alone couldn’t provide the distance I wanted, from Joyce or my past. After all, there were thousands of so-called campus radicals, most of them white and tenured and happily tolerant. No, it remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.

[/quote]

He is distancing himself from his multi-racial background, (the one he shared with other multi-racial friends in Hawaii), in an effort to cast himself as a black man. This is largely the story in “Dreams…” - he is one thing but tries to make himself another, which has led to a certain bitterness and radicalism that he need not have embraced. It also led to him attending Trinity, where racial antagonisms were cultivated.

Snopes’ reading of the statement about Marty Kaufman is more generous than it should be. Obama was stating that he distrusted Kaufman partially because he IS white, and at the same time justifying his prejudice because Kaufman admitted it was a problem.

In fact, Obama broke up with his white girlfriend in 1985 precisely because she didn’t have the racial heritage Obama had attached himself to.

[quote]vroom wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
The problem is the Republicans have not run such a campaign of this guy would have been kicked to the curb long ago.

  • Palling around with terrorists?

  • Socialism?

  • Redistributionist in chief?

Look, remember when the left wing rabble around here spent much of every day describing how Bush and Cheney were the devil incarnate?

We’re seeing the other side of that now because it’s looking like a democratic victory.

Personally, I was disappointed to see such rubbish on the campaign trail, especially after McCain said he would not run that type of campaign.[/quote]

These things are all perfectly accurate. The man is a disaster. A terrorist launched his political career, this cannot be denied.

He is pushing a form of socialized medicine, one of our biggest industries.

He wants to spread the wealth in his own words. We wants to give tax refunds to people that don’t pay taxes. That is income redistribution.

LOL.

Sorry guys, I know you are all just panicking because it looks like Obama is going to win according to the polls.

Throw around all the innuendo you can find… it’s too late anyway.

[quote]vroom wrote:
LOL.

Sorry guys, I know you are all just panicking because it looks like Obama is going to win according to the polls.

Throw around all the innuendo you can find… it’s too late anyway.[/quote]

Actually, it is.

It was almost too late when Hajek wrote his last book, now there is little left for Obama to fuck up.

Yay, federal reserve system , yay, fractional reserve banking.

all aboard the FUD train !

choo choo

So, again, what was the context?

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

Why do you pretend to be a conservative?

Coming from a relentless GOP apologist, the people who have critically wounded conservatism in this country, that’s rich.

The Bush Administration has trampled on Americans’ rights since 2001. I take these real abuses far more seriously than speculation and vitriol about the next president. Having no love for Obama does not require buying into every conspiracy theory about him.

Conspiracy theory?!?! The man said it himself. There is no conspiracy theory.
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Again, it is an out of context quote. If you want to spin that into American Brownshirts, go ahead. But that’s pretty stupid. I think the snopes link has pretty well demonstrated what out of context quotes are worth.

Such as? Believe it or not, I think people ought to know and care about the truth. Obama would be a terrible president, and I won’t be voting for him, for a host of reasons I have gone into before. But I think people should vote against him because he is for infanticide, he’s for more stupid armed interventions abroad, and he’s for multiculturalism. Not for reasons of stupid internet conspiracy theories, crypto-racism, or ideas of the Democratic Party that haven’t been true for a generation (“appeasement”).

If that’s your definition of breaking the law on FISA, authorizing torture and locking up AMERICAN citizens with no habeas corpus rights (have you never head of Jose fucking Padilla?), then there’s not much anyone can do to change your mind. But it’s then blatantly obvious you don’t care about the Constitution.

That’s all well and good. I’ve never claimed otherwise.

I take more shots at McCain and the GOP because they have done America immense harm over the past eight years and may have killed conservatism for good. There’s a chance Obama could do even more harm, but I tend to doubt it.

Life is going to go on when Obama wins. The two parties are far more alike than they are different. That is why we are getting screwed. I don’t get how educated, aware people don’t realize this.

[quote]JD430 wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Having no love for Obama does not require buying into every conspiracy theory about him.

You don’t get to get away with that one.

The words came out of BHO’s mouth. I realize the clip popularized by Drudge is only 20 seconds and that could certainly indicate something being taken out of context. However, I looked for explanations from his followers elsewhere and could only come up with the theory that he intends to spend money equal to the military budget on things like teachers, the peace corps, diplomats etc. A couple of them seem very unsure of that too.

Let’s say for the sake of argument that he doesnt intend to use $600 billion dollars a year to fund his Gestapo. It is almost as crazy and frightening to spout off about spending that money on a “department of peace”.

As someone pointed out correctly before, we have civilian defense forces already that he has never supported. In fact, Bill Ayers used to mail them packages…

I can’t find any other possibilities out of his statement. If anyone can, I again challenge you to explain, especially if you are planning to pull the lever for him.
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Honestly, until something full and substantive comes out about this, I could care less. I don’t fear Obama, or some new civilian defense force, which is unlikely to even happen. The Democrats are going to be far too busy spending our money on other worthless endeavors to worry about this proposal.

[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
I take more shots at McCain and the GOP because they have done America immense harm over the past eight years and may have killed conservatism for good. There’s a chance Obama could do even more harm, but I tend to doubt it.

Life is going to go on when Obama wins. The two parties are far more alike than they are different. That is why we are getting screwed. I don’t get how educated, aware people don’t realize this.[/quote]

Obama could even be the vehicle to revive conservatism… though hopefully it would at least include the notion of fiscal responsibility.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
pwilliams wrote:

He advocates a domestic security force equally funded as the military.

Any ideas what their missions will be?

Here’s a few ideas;
Take your guns.
Investigate and detain domestic insurgents.
Personal security for selected political figures.
Enforce the fairness doctrine.

Settle down. We have as much or more to fear from authoritarian Republicans. Witness the last eight years. If we lose our rights it will be because the courts take them and people don’t care enough to vote the other way, not because of some American Gestapo.

I have not heard of a Republican proposing a civilian security force as powerful as the military.

Allegedly Obama just proposed this.

Why do you pretend to be a conservative?

Coming from a relentless GOP apologist, the people who have critically wounded conservatism in this country, that’s rich.

What is your particular brand of conservatism conservative of, exactly? [/quote]

Culture, more than anything. Faith, family, Western civilization, and the Constitution, in that order I guess. Russell Kirk’s Six Canons of Conservative Thought are useful:

  1. Belief in a transcendent order, or body of natural law, which rules society as well as conscience.

  2. Affection for the proliferating variety and mystery of human existence, as opposed to narrowing uniformity, egalitarianism, and utilitarian aims of most radical systems.

  3. Conviction that civilized society requires orders and classes as against the notion of a ?classless society?.

  4. Persuasion that freedom and property are closely linked.

  5. Faith in prescription and distrust of ?sophisters, calculators, and economists? who would reconstruct society upon abstract designs.

  6. Recognition that change may not be salutary reform: hasty innovation may be devouring conflagration, rather than a torch of progress.

Obama, obviously, is opposed to virtually all of this. But then, so is McCain and the modern Republican Party.

[quote]GDollars37 wrote:

I take more shots at McCain and the GOP because they have done America immense harm over the past eight years and may have killed conservatism for good. There’s a chance Obama could do even more harm, but I tend to doubt it.

Life is going to go on when Obama wins. The two parties are far more alike than they are different. That is why we are getting screwed. I don’t get how educated, aware people don’t realize this.[/quote]

You are an insincere person.