Obama's Domestic Paramilitary Force

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
pwilliams wrote:

He advocates a domestic security force equally funded as the military.

Any ideas what their missions will be?

Here’s a few ideas;
Take your guns.
Investigate and detain domestic insurgents.
Personal security for selected political figures.
Enforce the fairness doctrine.

Settle down. We have as much or more to fear from authoritarian Republicans. Witness the last eight years. If we lose our rights it will be because the courts take them and people don’t care enough to vote the other way, not because of some American Gestapo.

I have not heard of a Republican proposing a civilian security force as powerful as the military.

Allegedly Obama just proposed this.

Why do you pretend to be a conservative?

Coming from a relentless GOP apologist, the people who have critically wounded conservatism in this country, that’s rich.

The Bush Administration has trampled on Americans’ rights since 2001. I take these real abuses far more seriously than speculation and vitriol about the next president. Having no love for Obama does not require buying into every conspiracy theory about him.[/quote]

Conspiracy theory?!?! The man said it himself. There is no conspiracy theory.

You have spent the last few years apologizing for every democrat that comes along here.

The Bush admin has not trampled on American’s rights. It has prevented the enemies of America from hiding behind protections that were never meant to apply to them.

If you want to talk about trampling on rights lets talk about Clinton trampling on my second amendment rights and Obama who will happily trample on first and second amendment rights.

Any real conservative would speaking out against this guy every opportunity he gets.

You have pretended to be “fair and balanced” while taking pot shots at our only hope to keep him out of office.

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[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Having no love for Obama does not require buying into every conspiracy theory about him.[/quote]

You don’t get to get away with that one.

The words came out of BHO’s mouth. I realize the clip popularized by Drudge is only 20 seconds and that could certainly indicate something being taken out of context. However, I looked for explanations from his followers elsewhere and could only come up with the theory that he intends to spend money equal to the military budget on things like teachers, the peace corps, diplomats etc. A couple of them seem very unsure of that too.

Let’s say for the sake of argument that he doesnt intend to use $600 billion dollars a year to fund his Gestapo. It is almost as crazy and frightening to spout off about spending that money on a “department of peace”.

As someone pointed out correctly before, we have civilian defense forces already that he has never supported. In fact, Bill Ayers used to mail them packages…

I can’t find any other possibilities out of his statement. If anyone can, I again challenge you to explain, especially if you are planning to pull the lever for him.

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[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
pwilliams wrote:

He advocates a domestic security force equally funded as the military.

Any ideas what their missions will be?

Here’s a few ideas;
Take your guns.
Investigate and detain domestic insurgents.
Personal security for selected political figures.
Enforce the fairness doctrine.

Settle down. We have as much or more to fear from authoritarian Republicans. Witness the last eight years. If we lose our rights it will be because the courts take them and people don’t care enough to vote the other way, not because of some American Gestapo.

I have not heard of a Republican proposing a civilian security force as powerful as the military.

Allegedly Obama just proposed this.

Why do you pretend to be a conservative?

Coming from a relentless GOP apologist, the people who have critically wounded conservatism in this country, that’s rich.

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What is your particular brand of conservatism conservative of, exactly?

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[quote]pwilliams wrote:

He advocates a domestic security force equally funded as the military.

Any ideas what their missions will be?

Here’s a few ideas;
Take your guns.
Investigate and detain domestic insurgents.
Personal security for selected political figures.
Enforce the fairness doctrine.
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“In 1921 Adolf Hitler formed his own private army called Sturm Abteilung (Storm Section). The SA (also known as stormtroopers or brownshirts) were instructed to disrupt the meetings of political opponents and to protect Hitler from revenge attacks. Captain Ernst Roehm of the Bavarian Army played an important role in recruiting these men, and became the SA’s first leader.”

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERsa.htm

Ayers will teach them how to make bombs, Rezko will provide them with living quarters (at taxpayer expense of course) while Reverend ‘Shiteater’ Wright will inspire them with his gentle messages.

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This is just one more thing.

He is an enemy, ENEMY of what this country was founded to be. I’ve been saying that ever since the first time I heard him speak. He will be in a position to do more damage to this country than Osama Bin Laden could ever dream of.

He is a thoroughgoing proponent of the ideologies we fought the cold war to defeat. We have this comin folks. We have and are doing it to ourselves. This guy is all about neutering our power and influence in the world on all levels in the name of peace and fairness on a global scale. An armed, free, self determining citizenry is an obstacle he cannot suffer to continue. For everybody’s good of course.

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Hahahaha. What a bunch of nitwits. I can’t believe how well the republican fear campaign has worked!

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Hahahaha. What a bunch of nitwits. I can’t believe how well the republican fear campaign has worked![/quote]

Would YOU vote for someone who is a first-term Senator, has all sorts of shady connections (Ayers, Wright, Flager, Dohrn, PLO ops), has never been head of anything, and who openly calls successful people evil and selfish, and came up out of the Chicago (Mayor Daley) Machine? Would you really?

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Hahahaha. What a bunch of nitwits. I can’t believe how well the republican fear campaign has worked![/quote]

Ya know, I’ve always liked you, but I’m wondering if Rainjack is right. Then again I haven’t been in PWI much until recently.

You find it impossible to believe that people who recognize an enemy can reach conclusions independently?

I looked into this guy before the primaries started. I have principles that I firmly, uncompromisingly and unshakably believe in. Those principles are the ones held largely and in preponderance by the men who founded this country. Barack Obama is the hard left opposite of those principles and is therefore my enemy.

If you had been around here lately you would know that I and others view the Republicans as only slightly better and have in no way been influenced by any campaign of theirs. Quite the contrary. I was one of the first to declare the Palin pick a disaster, Mccain’s support for the bailout an abomination, his “buy the mortgages” scheme as being just as bad as many of Obama’s idiotic plans, and his propensity for reaching across the aisle as nauseating.

Mccain is useless to me except as the only barrier to anointing a leftist radical asshole as savior of the world. I have said repeatedly that I would vote for this con artist myself just to let the brain dead lemmings see what happens when you give unfettered control to enemies of this dying nation, IF it were not for the courts.

So you can laugh yourself silly, but the joke’s on you because your country depends on ours whether you like it or not.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Hahahaha. What a bunch of nitwits. I can’t believe how well the republican fear campaign has worked![/quote]

What? What does “Republican” have to do with anything?

If you can explain BHO’s statement, the floor is yours. If there is some alternative meaning behind it that would be good for America, please enlighten this nitwit.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

Mccain is useless to me except as the only barrier to anointing a leftist radical asshole as savior of the world. I have said repeatedly that I would vote for this con artist myself just to let the brain dead lemmings see what happens when you give unfettered control to enemies of this dying nation, IF it were not for the courts.

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For what it is worth, very well said.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
You find it impossible to believe that people who recognize an enemy can reach conclusions independently?

I looked into this guy before the primaries started. I have principles that I firmly, uncompromisingly and unshakably believe in. Those principles are the ones held largely and in preponderance by the men who founded this country. Barack Obama is the hard left opposite of those principles and is therefore my enemy.
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You can argue the merits of your principles, or the problems with his, without resorting to ridiculous tactics.

[quote]If you had been around here lately you would know that I and others view the Republicans as only slightly better and have in no way been influenced by any campaign of theirs. Quite the contrary. I was one of the first to declare the Palin pick a disaster, Mccain’s support for the bailout an abomination, his “buy the mortgages” scheme as being just as bad as many of Obama’s idiotic plans, and his propensity for reaching across the aisle as nauseating.

Mccain is useless to me except as the only barrier to anointing a leftist radical asshole as savior of the world. I have said repeatedly that I would vote for this con artist myself just to let the brain dead lemmings see what happens when you give unfettered control to enemies of this dying nation, IF it were not for the courts.[/quote]

I don’t buy into the concept that the nation is dying, or that world economy is going to collapse entirely. I also don’t buy into the notion that either McCain or Obama are radicals. There is a crisis at hand and both of them felt it was appropriate to get heavily involved.

Hell, I’d hate it if anyone thought getting so involved in the economy was appropriate in any way that wasn’t temporary. As far as I can see the economic steps taken so far have clauses or terms in them that will help limit their use.

Canada and the US are huge trading partners and we have a lot of issues in common. However, I do really think people have ratcheted up the fear angle unnecessarily. You can think otherwise if you like…

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[quote]JD430 wrote:
vroom wrote:
Hahahaha. What a bunch of nitwits. I can’t believe how well the republican fear campaign has worked!

What? What does “Republican” have to do with anything?

If you can explain BHO’s statement, the floor is yours. If there is some alternative meaning behind it that would be good for America, please enlighten this nitwit.

[/quote]

No one this entire election has taken Obama at his word. It’s always, “Obama says this, but he really means .” The funny thing is, few have written as much as Obama before their run for office.

Obama really is the “blank slate” onto whom everyone projects themselves.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
JD430 wrote:
vroom wrote:
Hahahaha. What a bunch of nitwits. I can’t believe how well the republican fear campaign has worked!

What? What does “Republican” have to do with anything?

If you can explain BHO’s statement, the floor is yours. If there is some alternative meaning behind it that would be good for America, please enlighten this nitwit.

No one this entire election has taken Obama at his word. It’s always, “Obama says this, but he really means .” The funny thing is, few have written as much as Obama before their run for office.

Obama really is the “blank slate” onto whom everyone projects themselves. [/quote]

I realize this.

This statement of his seems so outrageous on its face though, I can’t find any way to explain it in a positive light and apparently no one in his legions can either.

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[quote]JD430 wrote:
If you can explain BHO’s statement, the floor is yours. If there is some alternative meaning behind it that would be good for America, please enlighten this nitwit.
[/quote]

If you want to take a clip out of context and get excited about it… I’d hate to be the one to stop you.

Maybe you can go and find out what this speech was about, prior to this particular clip, and relieve yourself of some panic.

Either that or you can go and find those old photos of him in Kenyan garb and declare him a muslim radical! I’m pretty sure Headhunter will be happy to supply these pictures if you ask him…

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Hahahaha. What a bunch of nitwits. I can’t believe how well the republican fear campaign has worked![/quote]

The problem is the Republicans have not run such a campaign of this guy would have been kicked to the curb long ago.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
JD430 wrote:
If you can explain BHO’s statement, the floor is yours. If there is some alternative meaning behind it that would be good for America, please enlighten this nitwit.

If you want to take a clip out of context and get excited about it… I’d hate to be the one to stop you.

Maybe you can go and find out what this speech was about, prior to this particular clip, and relieve yourself of some panic.

Either that or you can go and find those old photos of him in Kenyan garb and declare him a muslim radical! I’m pretty sure Headhunter will be happy to supply these pictures if you ask him…[/quote]

Ask and ye shall receive…

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[quote]vroom wrote:
JD430 wrote:
If you can explain BHO’s statement, the floor is yours. If there is some alternative meaning behind it that would be good for America, please enlighten this nitwit.

If you want to take a clip out of context and get excited about it… I’d hate to be the one to stop you.

Maybe you can go and find out what this speech was about, prior to this particular clip, and relieve yourself of some panic.

Either that or you can go and find those old photos of him in Kenyan garb and declare him a muslim radical! I’m pretty sure Headhunter will be happy to supply these pictures if you ask him…[/quote]

From an email I have received. I am not sure if it is accurate.

EXCERPTS FROM OBAMA’S BOOK:

From Dreams of My Father:‘I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.’

From Dreams of My Father : ‘I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.’

From Dreams of My Father:‘There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.’

From Dreams of My Father: ‘It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.’

From Dreams of My Father:‘I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa , that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.’

And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!!

From Audacity of Hope:‘I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.’

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[quote]vroom wrote:
JD430 wrote:
If you can explain BHO’s statement, the floor is yours. If there is some alternative meaning behind it that would be good for America, please enlighten this nitwit.

If you want to take a clip out of context and get excited about it… I’d hate to be the one to stop you.

Maybe you can go and find out what this speech was about, prior to this particular clip, and relieve yourself of some panic.
[/quote]

Ok, what was the context? What is he talking about?

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
You find it impossible to believe that people who recognize an enemy can reach conclusions independently?

I looked into this guy before the primaries started. I have principles that I firmly, uncompromisingly and unshakably believe in. Those principles are the ones held largely and in preponderance by the men who founded this country. Barack Obama is the hard left opposite of those principles and is therefore my enemy.

You can argue the merits of your principles, or the problems with his, without resorting to ridiculous tactics.

If you had been around here lately you would know that I and others view the Republicans as only slightly better and have in no way been influenced by any campaign of theirs. Quite the contrary. I was one of the first to declare the Palin pick a disaster, Mccain’s support for the bailout an abomination, his “buy the mortgages” scheme as being just as bad as many of Obama’s idiotic plans, and his propensity for reaching across the aisle as nauseating.

Mccain is useless to me except as the only barrier to anointing a leftist radical asshole as savior of the world. I have said repeatedly that I would vote for this con artist myself just to let the brain dead lemmings see what happens when you give unfettered control to enemies of this dying nation, IF it were not for the courts.

I don’t buy into the concept that the nation is dying, or that world economy is going to collapse entirely. I also don’t buy into the notion that either McCain or Obama are radicals. There is a crisis at hand and both of them felt it was appropriate to get heavily involved.

Hell, I’d hate it if anyone thought getting so involved in the economy was appropriate in any way that wasn’t temporary. As far as I can see the economic steps taken so far have clauses or terms in them that will help limit their use.

So you can laugh yourself silly, but the joke’s on you because your country depends on ours whether you like it or not.

Canada and the US are huge trading partners and we have a lot of issues in common. However, I do really think people have ratcheted up the fear angle unnecessarily. You can think otherwise if you like…[/quote]

You have different standards than I do.