Obama's 'Citizen Army'

JD430 · November 8, 2008, 10:24pm

Although I somewhat agree with the basic premise, his plan is absolute lunacy.

We don’t need conscripted homeland security youth. The logistics of managing that are incredible. How much of the population does the age range of 18-25 represent? 20 million? 30 million? Who is going to pay for their training and equipment? Who is going to assure compliance? What are we going to do, build new prisons for those who refuse?

However, I do see some value in establishing a method of organizing local communities in the event of a disaster or attack. Instead, why couldnt he push for volunteer service? That way you could train the populace on things like incident command and provide for a means of communicating with each other should some serious event require it. This would be more in line with the concept of the militias that helped win us our freedom. Developing this system with volunteers, who could be much older than 25, also allows for a broad range of skills to be available should they be needed.

For example, some of my buddies are construction divers and were working in NYC when the towers were attacked. They spent a week diving in the lower levels of the towers looking for bodies and closing off pipes and such. You probably wouldnt have such specialized skills readily available with just a corps of 18-25 year olds. We already make use of private volunteer organizations with tracking dogs in law enforcement.

Chinese military journals have been detailing ways to crush America in a military conflict. Imagine their dismay if a system were put into place to organize the citizenry under a unified command. Combine that with the protections of the 2nd amendment and they can forget ever setting foot on the American mainland if that were their goal in a few decades.

Most importantly, volunteers from all walks of life would be impossible to manipulate into something they thought was immoral. For example, should we have another Katrina, the conscripts could be ordered to go to all empty homes and confiscate any guns they find for the public’s “safety”. Refuse and I would imagine they could be jailed. Its not like they can opt out of this mandatory service. Volunteers could refuse or leave the “civil defense program” if they felt at odds with some of the agenda.

But maybe that is not the point…

Otep · November 8, 2008, 11:20pm

[quote]JD430 wrote:
Chinese military journals have been detailing ways to crush America in a military conflict. Imagine their dismay if a system were put into place to organize the citizenry under a unified command. Combine that with the protections of the 2nd amendment and they can forget ever setting foot on the American mainland if that were their goal in a few decades.
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Source?

orion · November 9, 2008, 12:37am

[quote]rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:

What is so fucking hard to understand about this fucking concept you fucking dolt?

The new baby jesus commads it. You must obey. You must rationalize everything the man says so that it is truth, and any disagreement is a sin.
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fixed it.

Headhunter · November 9, 2008, 1:00am

[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
Hmm, and what happens when the hour count isn’t met?[/quote]

His real supporters, you know, the hardcore crazies (like the Black Panthers) will be your guards at the concentration camps.

Headhunter · November 9, 2008, 1:09am

The fact that Obama could even hint at proposing this stuff IN AMERICA is the terrible part. How many people understand that ‘forced to volunteer’ is an oxymoron?

Being forced to volunteer as part of being a member of a church is quite a different thing. You simply stop going to the church (except if Pastor Wright is the pastor). The government has the power to force us to do this.

We may have just voluntarily put ourselves, all nice and legally, into the grip of Satan.

JD430 · November 9, 2008, 1:18am

[quote]Otep wrote:
JD430 wrote:
Chinese military journals have been detailing ways to crush America in a military conflict. Imagine their dismay if a system were put into place to organize the citizenry under a unified command. Combine that with the protections of the 2nd amendment and they can forget ever setting foot on the American mainland if that were their goal in a few decades.

Source?[/quote]

Was originally told this by a captain in the 101st Airborne at a conference. I don’t read Chinese so I haven’t seen it first hand(the journals themselves) if that is what you are asking.

Here is a link:

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2008/01/airforce_china_strategy_080121/

Google turns up many more. The Chinese aren’t being too coy with their intentions. I have yet to see plans for an invasion of the US mainland so I was speaking hypothetically. It really is not that much of a stretch though since Chinese officials have claimed that the we will be under world-wide communist
government within a century.

Big_Boss · November 9, 2008, 1:42am

[quote]JD430 wrote:

The Chinese aren’t being too coy with their intentions. [/quote]

Hacking into our government networks on a daily basis supports that statement.

Tiribulus · November 9, 2008, 2:11am

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
The fact that Obama could even hint at proposing this stuff IN AMERICA is the terrible part. How many people understand that ‘forced to volunteer’ is an oxymoron?

Being forced to volunteer as part of being a member of a church is quite a different thing. You simply stop going to the church (except if Pastor Wright is the pastor). The government has the power to force us to do this.

We may have just voluntarily put ourselves, all nice and legally, into the grip of Satan.[/quote]

Satan and the black panthers may be pushin it man. You have to know by now that I do not have any faith in this guys love for or loyalty to this country, but not even this congress is going to give a group like the black panthers that kind of power even if he wanted them too and he isn’t any worse than a coupla few dozen other politicians in the house and senate.

Let me say too that I don’t sense that Obama’s motivation is primarily tied up in race. Even in light of his long alliance with Wright. He is committed to a sort of neo western marxism of which the Wright/Cone variety is a component.

I don’t think he wants to harm white people though Cone certainly did. I think he wants to be the historic figure that finally proves that the form of government left us by our founders is inferior to the inherently more just ones espoused by our competitors.

He will succeed where all others have failed. I seriously think that’s not too far off. Everything he’s done in his life til now points to that.

PRCalDude · November 9, 2008, 2:19am

[quote]JD430 wrote:
Otep wrote:
JD430 wrote:
Chinese military journals have been detailing ways to crush America in a military conflict. Imagine their dismay if a system were put into place to organize the citizenry under a unified command. Combine that with the protections of the 2nd amendment and they can forget ever setting foot on the American mainland if that were their goal in a few decades.

Source?

Was originally told this by a captain in the 101st Airborne at a conference. I don’t read Chinese so I haven’t seen it first hand(the journals themselves) if that is what you are asking.

Here is a link:

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2008/01/airforce_china_strategy_080121/

Google turns up many more. The Chinese aren’t being too coy with their intentions. I have yet to see plans for an invasion of the US mainland so I was speaking hypothetically. It really is not that much of a stretch though since Chinese officials have claimed that the we will be under world-wide communist
government within a century.[/quote]

I’m not trying to be insulting, but I often wonder why people worry more about this than the spread of Islam. China, while it’s shown an interest in hacking our poorly guarded computer networks and screwing with our satellites, has no blue water navy. They’re interested in trading with us. Their people aren’t interested in conquering us. Islam is.

Tiribulus · November 9, 2008, 2:35am

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
<<< I’m not trying to be insulting, but I often wonder why people worry more about this than the spread of Islam. China, while it’s shown an interest in hacking our poorly guarded computer networks and screwing with our satellites, has no blue water navy. They’re interested in trading with us. Their people aren’t interested in conquering us. Islam is.[/quote]

I think it’s foolish not to give due attention to all potential threats.

China is the largest country on Earth, is growing more prosperous ironically as they adopt our economics, is still a committed communist government though and would move on this continent tomorrow if they thought they could win.

I do agree that Islam is innately incompatible with our way of life and that the so called extremists are actually the authentic specimens as do you. However they don’t have a blue water navy either. What they do have is unwavering commitment, some very rich allies and our good hearted misguided tolerance on their side.

My concern is that while we over concentrate on what group of threats the other sees their opening. Yes the world is every damn bit as dangerous as it’s always been. Believing peace is anywhere on the horizon is like believing Obama will succeed in his quest to demonstrate the viability of socialism in this country. Both are overwhelmingly unsupported by history.

JD430 · November 9, 2008, 3:19am

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
JD430 wrote:
Otep wrote:
JD430 wrote:
Chinese military journals have been detailing ways to crush America in a military conflict. Imagine their dismay if a system were put into place to organize the citizenry under a unified command. Combine that with the protections of the 2nd amendment and they can forget ever setting foot on the American mainland if that were their goal in a few decades.

Source?

Was originally told this by a captain in the 101st Airborne at a conference. I don’t read Chinese so I haven’t seen it first hand(the journals themselves) if that is what you are asking.

Here is a link:

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2008/01/airforce_china_strategy_080121/

Google turns up many more. The Chinese aren’t being too coy with their intentions. I have yet to see plans for an invasion of the US mainland so I was speaking hypothetically. It really is not that much of a stretch though since Chinese officials have claimed that the we will be under world-wide communist
government within a century.

I’m not trying to be insulting, but I often wonder why people worry more about this than the spread of Islam. China, while it’s shown an interest in hacking our poorly guarded computer networks and screwing with our satellites, has no blue water navy. They’re interested in trading with us. Their people aren’t interested in conquering us. Islam is.[/quote]

No insult taken. I agree that the clear and present danger is Islamic terrorism.

However, I think you may be underestimating China’s negative intentions and their capabilities. They are the only nation left in the world I could ever even remotely imagine trying an outright invasion of our mainland.

Another thing to keep you up at night…

From what some are saying, that is very doable by a rogue state like Iran.

Headhunter · November 9, 2008, 12:27pm

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
The fact that Obama could even hint at proposing this stuff IN AMERICA is the terrible part. How many people understand that ‘forced to volunteer’ is an oxymoron?

Being forced to volunteer as part of being a member of a church is quite a different thing. You simply stop going to the church (except if Pastor Wright is the pastor). The government has the power to force us to do this.

We may have just voluntarily put ourselves, all nice and legally, into the grip of Satan.

Satan and the black panthers may be pushin it man. You have to know by now that I do not have any faith in this guys love for or loyalty to this country, but not even this congress is going to give a group like the black panthers that kind of power even if he wanted them too and he isn’t any worse than a coupla few dozen other politicians in the house and senate.

Let me say too that I don’t sense that Obama’s motivation is primarily tied up in race. Even in light of his long alliance with Wright. He is committed to a sort of neo western marxism of which the Wright/Cone variety is a component.

I don’t think he wants to harm white people though Cone certainly did. I think he wants to be the historic figure that finally proves that the form of government left us by our founders is inferior to the inherently more just ones espoused by our competitors.

He will succeed where all others have failed. I seriously think that’s not too far off. Everything he’s done in his life til now points to that.[/quote]

I’ve been called a nutcase (and worse) for the last couple of years when describing what these Dem/Lib/Socialists planned to do to us. Now those plans are coming to fruition.

I’ve said over and over how a mixed economy MUST lead to fascism, government by force. A mixed economy is an economy that is half-slave and half-free. To paraphrase Lincoln, it has to become all one or all the other. Guess which one Obama wants?

orion · November 9, 2008, 5:33pm

[quote]JD430 wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
JD430 wrote:
Otep wrote:
JD430 wrote:
Chinese military journals have been detailing ways to crush America in a military conflict. Imagine their dismay if a system were put into place to organize the citizenry under a unified command. Combine that with the protections of the 2nd amendment and they can forget ever setting foot on the American mainland if that were their goal in a few decades.

Source?

Was originally told this by a captain in the 101st Airborne at a conference. I don’t read Chinese so I haven’t seen it first hand(the journals themselves) if that is what you are asking.

Here is a link:

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2008/01/airforce_china_strategy_080121/

Google turns up many more. The Chinese aren’t being too coy with their intentions. I have yet to see plans for an invasion of the US mainland so I was speaking hypothetically. It really is not that much of a stretch though since Chinese officials have claimed that the we will be under world-wide communist
government within a century.

I’m not trying to be insulting, but I often wonder why people worry more about this than the spread of Islam. China, while it’s shown an interest in hacking our poorly guarded computer networks and screwing with our satellites, has no blue water navy. They’re interested in trading with us. Their people aren’t interested in conquering us. Islam is.

No insult taken. I agree that the clear and present danger is Islamic terrorism.

However, I think you may be underestimating China’s negative intentions and their capabilities. They are the only nation left in the world I could ever even remotely imagine trying an outright invasion of our mainland.

Another thing to keep you up at night…

From what some are saying, that is very doable by a rogue state like Iran.

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China is busy right now trying to maximize economic growth before the demographic time bomb they built themselves explodes and takes down the existing power structure.

If you truly believe that they would attack or even seriously annoy their biggest customer you are insane.

So far they are doing everything in their power to prevent the American economy from imploding, not that they had any chance of being successful.

Schwarzfahrer · November 9, 2008, 7:04pm

China has been the most peaceful big empire in mankind’s history. It’s relative pacifism is, in historical terms, astounding.
So the military has made up some scenarios for invading America- Big deal, they get paid for doing this and rattling their sabres.
As if you haven’t done the same.

Also, China’s new imperial ambitions were fueled partly through Bush’s foolish escapades.

Gambit_Lost · November 9, 2008, 9:06pm

[quote]orion wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
orion wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
OMG!!! REQUIRED community service!!! Holy shit! My kids won’t be doing that shit!!! What the hell kind of bastard school administrator would ever mandate giving back to the public???

Oh wait, my private, religious hs had the same requirement… This must be how I was “indoctrinated!” Cleaning the church basement and delivering diapers to underprivileged moms ruined me!

Are you really this stupid?

And that is a serious question.

So drunk on Obama that you really, truly, do not see a difference between a school you attend because of your own free will and a public school where you have to go to if you cannot afford an alternative?

Really?

And if you aren´t, why post this shit?

Are you really this stupid?

And this is a serious question.

If you can’t read this thread and realize the point of my post, I don’t think I can help you.

Let’s be honest, I’ve been indoctrinated and am now a socialist… I think it was when I was cleaning my church’s basement. When I organized a collection for some poor single moms in my community, that’s when I became stupid.

No use talking seriously about this topic with me, I’m obviously too far gone. Hell, I also think civics should be taught in our schools (OMG!!!) although this is mostly so our VP candidates can know a lil’ somethin’, you betcha.

Hey, what you do in your private fucking time is your private fucking business.

If the government orders someone else to do what you do in your private fucking time it is fucking slavery.

What is so fucking hard to understand about this fucking concept you fucking dolt?
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Fuck yeah! I fucking understand what you’re fucking saying! Why the fuck haven’t you fucking figured out where my fucking sarcasm is fucking about? Can’t you read, you fucking dolt?

Another fucking thing…Fucking bastard feds are makin’ my fucking kids go to fucking school too, the fuckers! Fuckin’ slavery! Makin’ 'em fucking learn some shit-fucking foreign language too!

This is fuck America (fuck yeah!) motherfucker. English, do you speak it???

Gambit_Lost · November 9, 2008, 9:13pm

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

Satan and the black panthers may be pushin it man. [/quote]

Hell no! Obviously Obama is in league with both Satan and the Black Panthers!

(comedy gold)

orion · November 9, 2008, 9:19pm

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
orion wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
orion wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
OMG!!! REQUIRED community service!!! Holy shit! My kids won’t be doing that shit!!! What the hell kind of bastard school administrator would ever mandate giving back to the public???