Obama, You've Been Served

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Well then that settles it, you talked to two Priests one a racist and the other a sexist. So that means ALL Priests are like that.

Got it!

You’re looking bad here HH…really bad![/quote]

If I don’t form opinions based upon my own experiences, then whose experiences should I trust when forming my opinions?

Look, a priest is in a high profile position. If they do something evil, it reflects on all of them. They’re taught that from day 1 in seminary. The fact that I have seen several priests behaving in this manner tells the tale – they represent ‘The Church’. Okay…I’ll take them at their behavior. They do.

[quote]pat wrote:

I no longer have any reason to believe anything you say. Don’t expect me to take your word for it. NAMBLA was started by an atheist. Based on your logic, you and the lot are all man loving pedo’s. Your fascination with pedophilia is alarming. [/quote]

When NAMBLA proclaims itself as the one and only path of righteousness, then you’d have an analogy.

But let’s play in 'your ballpark’a moment then: A leader who is mysterious, whose word is taken as definitive, whose followers are devoted, whose official representatives spread his words throughout the land…hmmm…Stalin? Mao? Pol Pot?

Oh, glad we got our analogies straight…

A post about basic traditional religious liberty, trolled again.

"Father Amorth, 85, noted that an archivist at the Vatican previously admitted to recruiting girls for parties and told La Stampa newspaper the he believes that Orlandi “ended up in this circle” and that the “case of sexual exploitation” led to her murder followed by “the hiding of her body,” according to the Daily Mail.

Father Amorth also said that “diplomatic staff from a foreign embassy to the Holy See” were also involved.

De Pedis, head of the notorious Magliana gang, was murdered in 1990 and reportedly buried in a basilica next to various popes and cardinals after his family gave the Vatican about $600,000. Last week investigators exhumed the grave and found bones that did not belong to him."

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Well then that settles it, you talked to two Priests one a racist and the other a sexist. So that means ALL Priests are like that.

Got it!

You’re looking bad here HH…really bad![/quote]

If I don’t form opinions based upon my own experiences, then whose experiences should I trust when forming my opinions?

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The opinion that you form should be about those specific Priests. You should acknowledge that there is no perfect group of people. Not Priests, not Rabbi’s, not Minister’s, not doctors, no perfect group exists. You can’t snap judge all Priests because you’ve talked to a few losers. There are good and bad in all groups.

My gosh I feel like I’m talking to a 13 year old.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Well then that settles it, you talked to two Priests one a racist and the other a sexist. So that means ALL Priests are like that.

Got it!

You’re looking bad here HH…really bad![/quote]

If I don’t form opinions based upon my own experiences, then whose experiences should I trust when forming my opinions?

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The opinion that you form should be about those specific Priests. You should acknowledge that there is no perfect group of people. Not Priests, not Rabbi’s, not Minister’s, not doctors, no perfect group exists. You can’t snap judge all Priests because you’ve talked to a few losers. There are good and bad in all groups.

My gosh I feel like I’m talking to a 13 year old.[/quote]

Where’s the magical line, Zeb? Beyond what point can I condemn these people? If 80% of all the priests I’ve ever met are scum, I’ll condemn them IN ADVANCE until THEY prove otherwise.

I have only met one priest EVER who was truly a man of God. I don’t believe in the Christian version of God but I truly respect this man. He is a good man.

The rest I’ve met either begged for money, tried to guilt for money, or eyeballed the girls (mostly the girls) at church. Some of the girls used to dress provocatively for chuch just to fire up and tease the lechers until their dads caught on btw.

If someone wants to believe in God, fine. I do too. Just don’t believe in that stuff – that’s just mostly lowlifes exercising power and authority, none of which they deserve in any way.

Belive in your boatmate, you’ll be better off. :slight_smile:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

I no longer have any reason to believe anything you say. Don’t expect me to take your word for it. NAMBLA was started by an atheist. Based on your logic, you and the lot are all man loving pedo’s. Your fascination with pedophilia is alarming. [/quote]

When NAMBLA proclaims itself as the one and only path of righteousness, then you’d have an analogy.

But let’s play in 'your ballpark’a moment then: A leader who is mysterious, whose word is taken as definitive, whose followers are devoted, whose official representatives spread his words throughout the land…hmmm…Stalin? Mao? Pol Pot?

Oh, glad we got our analogies straight…
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Hitchens…

[quote]Sloth wrote:
A post about basic traditional religious liberty, trolled again.[/quote]

Yep…

[quote]honest_lifter wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

Of course he’s a Catholic Priest. He couldn’t not be one no matter how much he wanted to. It isn’t possible.

The reason the Vatican doesn’t “recognize” his so-called “withdrawal” from priesthood is because you DON’T withdraw. Once you are ordained, that’s it, for life. The reason for this is that the priesthood is…wait for it…a marriage to the Church. And if you’ll recall the Catholic Church does not recognize divorce.

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Defrocking

In the Catholic Church, a priest, deacon, or bishop may be dismissed from the clerical state as a penalty for certain grave offenses, or by a papal decree granted for grave reasons. This may be because of a serious criminal conviction, heresy, or similar matter. A Catholic cleric may also voluntarily request to be laicized for any personal reason.[1] Voluntary requests are by far the most common means of laicization, and the most common reason is to marry.[1] A priest may also seek laicisation voluntarily because he disagrees with major policies or doctrines of the church and wishes to dissociate himself from those policies.

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From your link:

A dismissed cleric is forbidden to exercise ministerial functions under nearly all circumstances, but an indelible priestly character is held to remain on his soul (as is sung at a priest’s ordination, "You are a priest forever, like Melchizedek of old").[2] Consequently, any exercise of his sacramental power to consecrate the Eucharist is considered valid but illicit.

Once a priest, always a priest. However, having been ordained and partaking in active ministry are two completely different things.

Of course, if you look hard enough, you will be able to find certain individual priests who hold views that conflict with the officially ordained tenets of the Catholic church. You will be hard pressed, however, to find any religion that is more uniform and concrete in its teachings across the board. This is especially poignant in light of its sheer immensity.

I apologize if you genuinely did not intend your post as an oblique cheap shot at the church. A quick scan of The recent posts in this forum should give you a pretty good idea as to why I and my fellow Catholics may be a bit sensitive and defensive.

EDIT: fixed tag and typo

The bigger elephant in the room.

[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
Daniel A. Helminiak - Catholic Priest

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Two things. First, he is not a Catholic priest in the sense that he is not in public ministry. He’s a priest in the sense that he has a permanent indelible mark on his soul that can’t be removed. He has been removed from public ministry in his pursuit to live an openly homosexual lifestyle and to become a leader within the LBGT community. Further, he lacks the authority to teach. Might as well appeal to Prism.

Second, just because you’re a priest doesn’t mean you can make up random stuff and it’s going to be true. The Magisterium is there for a reason, we’re not Protestants.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Good for the Catholic Church I applaud the stand that they are taking in sticking up for all denominations in fighting back against the overreaching Obamacare. It was a horrible idea to begin with and when 67% of the country were (and still are)against it Obama should have stepped back. Instead he shoved through a multi-thousand page bill that no one read. And he got away with it because both houses of congress were controlled by the democrats.

Catholics all around the country should remember this attack on their religious freedom on election day![/quote]

“Catholic Priest Says A Schoolgirl Who Went Missing In 1983 Was Kidnapped For Vatican Sex Parties.”

http://getthetruthout.icyboards.net/showthread.php?tid=2231&pid=6478

This has been going viral on many sites and in the news.

These people are all devils, every one.

I’m not religious but the language of the religious sometimes best expresses an idea.

Devilty…pure devilty…

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And all Irishmen are drunks, and all Germans have bad tempers, and all Blacks are lazy. Stop blaming the group for the actions of a few.

There is a name for that, it’s called bigotry![/quote]

If its rotten at the top, then the rot spreads and destroys all.

Any system where the leadership is rotten infects it all.

The vast majority of priests or pastors would love nothing more than to have wild sex with a bunch of 15 year olds. They try to suppress this by going so far as to join some religious hogwash, then find out that most of them there are homosexual perverts or pedophiles like themselves. When they can’t control it anymore, they molest altar boys or have sex parties with runaway girls.

There are a few that are actually called. Most are the scum of the earth.
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Just FYI, this finally landed you on my ignore list. You have one less person to troll. Have fun arguing with yourself.[/quote]

Lol. If you notice, this story is going viral on conspiracy websites. Why? it’s not substantial at all.

You have supposedly an old priest who has claimed this…not one person has confirmed that his statements are true. The fact that he has repeatedly released statements in opposition of statements of congregations such as the CDF is suspect. He’s been known as an attention seeker for a few years. Most exorcists don’t tell people how many exorcisms they have done unless they want attention, most of the time they don’t even tell people who they are or that they are an exorcist.

Then you look at his claims, no evidence or proof. The first claim is that this girl was kidnapped for Vatican sex parties. And, she was buried with a mobster. Well, the bones don’t match her…okay so far you have an old man who likes attention making unsubstantiated claims. There is no girl to be found so far.

The second claim, that a Vatican Archivist was the “recruiter”…except he gives no proof and the man he claims is a recruiter for these supposed parties is dead.

The other hilarious thing, “The vast majority of priests or pastors would love nothing more than to have wild sex with a bunch of 15 year olds.” This is unbelievably false, I didn’t know HH was a bleeding liberal who loved himself some MSLM. The fact is that very few clergy are even child molesters, and of all the child abuse cases (in the catholic church) only 5% are pedophiles, the rest are homosexuals child abusers.

[quote]honest_lifter wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
Daniel A. Helminiak - Catholic Priest

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Ahem.

From your own link. At the very tippy-top:

Daniel A. Helminiak, who was ordained a priest in Rome, is a theologian, psychotherapist and author.

Nice try, though. [/quote]

“Realizing I am gay, disillusioned with the institutional church, and unable to reconcile my integrity with Vatican expectations, I enrolled in The University of Texas at Austin, earned a PhD in Human Development, withdrew from active priestly ministry (the Vatican has never recognized this resignation: I remain a Catholic priest by the Vatican’s choice), and accepted a teaching position.”

Other sites that listed him as a Catholic Priest:

I tried to make sure he was still a Catholic Priest before posting the article; he also wrote a best selling book on the topic:

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To just double check (I’ve looked into the guy before) I’ll call his diocese tomorrow.

The Vatican has nothing to do with removing a priest from public ministry, unless the priest works within the Diocese of Rome. He’s playing off people’s naivety by saying he sent his resignation to the Vatican. This is like sending my resignation to the Governor of Arizona. The Governor is not going to do anything. His Bishop or Archbishop will be in charge of removing him from public ministry.

[quote]pat wrote:
If that were true then it sounds like you should sign up. It’s apparently right up your ally.[/quote]

No, he’s got it made being a teacher. He has the state and federal government protecting him.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Good for the Catholic Church I applaud the stand that they are taking in sticking up for all denominations in fighting back against the overreaching Obamacare. It was a horrible idea to begin with and when 67% of the country were (and still are)against it Obama should have stepped back. Instead he shoved through a multi-thousand page bill that no one read. And he got away with it because both houses of congress were controlled by the democrats.

Catholics all around the country should remember this attack on their religious freedom on election day![/quote]

“Catholic Priest Says A Schoolgirl Who Went Missing In 1983 Was Kidnapped For Vatican Sex Parties.”

http://getthetruthout.icyboards.net/showthread.php?tid=2231&pid=6478

This has been going viral on many sites and in the news.

These people are all devils, every one.

I’m not religious but the language of the religious sometimes best expresses an idea.

Devilty…pure devilty…

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Someone doth protest too much, methinks.

How’s that vibrator been working out for your daughter, HH?

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Good for the Catholic Church I applaud the stand that they are taking in sticking up for all denominations in fighting back against the overreaching Obamacare. It was a horrible idea to begin with and when 67% of the country were (and still are)against it Obama should have stepped back. Instead he shoved through a multi-thousand page bill that no one read. And he got away with it because both houses of congress were controlled by the democrats.

Catholics all around the country should remember this attack on their religious freedom on election day![/quote]

“Catholic Priest Says A Schoolgirl Who Went Missing In 1983 Was Kidnapped For Vatican Sex Parties.”

http://getthetruthout.icyboards.net/showthread.php?tid=2231&pid=6478

This has been going viral on many sites and in the news.

These people are all devils, every one.

I’m not religious but the language of the religious sometimes best expresses an idea.

Devilty…pure devilty…

[/quote]

Someone doth protest too much, methinks.

How’s that vibrator been working out for your daughter, HH?[/quote]

Wow, you sure answered me! Your religion is false, demands that you suspend your brain and become a robot, is run mostly by banking swindlers, homosexual perverts and pedophiles…but you sure showed me!!

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
If that were true then it sounds like you should sign up. It’s apparently right up your ally.[/quote]

No, he’s got it made being a teacher. He has the state and federal government protecting him.[/quote]

Yep. Can’t rely on Vatican banking scamsters and pedos (and the scum who move the pedos from diocese to diocese) to run things.

Headhunter’s brain macaroni salad aside, this entire thing has been a disaster for Obama. The only reason the contraception mandate was rolled out when it was rolled out was that it was part of the “war on women” meme the campaign was trying to score points with. Obama wanted to pander to the women’s vote - who, if you listen to Obama, isn’t a monolothic vote, but he decided to pander to it all the same as if it was.

It fizzled. The “war on women” meme and the contraception mandate didn’t move the needle in his direction, and what does he have to show for the effort? A First Amendment lawsuit that will not only create a robust debate about constitutional overreach (which is bad for Obama) but it will also lay to rest that the opponents aren’t part of any “war on women” (not that there was anyone left believing that anyway, but the platform of the lawsuit will be used to re-tell that story with great effect).

Now voters get to take stock with yet another lawsuit against the administration for overreach. Overreach, overreach, overreach - it will sound like a broken record. Obamacare. Contraception mandate. War Powers Act on Libya (no lawsuit, but easy pickings to talk about).

A disaster.

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]honest_lifter wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

Of course he’s a Catholic Priest. He couldn’t not be one no matter how much he wanted to. It isn’t possible.

The reason the Vatican doesn’t “recognize” his so-called “withdrawal” from priesthood is because you DON’T withdraw. Once you are ordained, that’s it, for life. The reason for this is that the priesthood is…wait for it…a marriage to the Church. And if you’ll recall the Catholic Church does not recognize divorce.

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Defrocking

In the Catholic Church, a priest, deacon, or bishop may be dismissed from the clerical state as a penalty for certain grave offenses, or by a papal decree granted for grave reasons. This may be because of a serious criminal conviction, heresy, or similar matter. A Catholic cleric may also voluntarily request to be laicized for any personal reason.[1] Voluntary requests are by far the most common means of laicization, and the most common reason is to marry.[1] A priest may also seek laicisation voluntarily because he disagrees with major policies or doctrines of the church and wishes to dissociate himself from those policies.

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From your link:

A dismissed cleric is forbidden to exercise ministerial functions under nearly all circumstances, but an indelible priestly character is held to remain on his soul (as is sung at a priest’s ordination, "You are a priest forever, like Melchizedek of old").[2] Consequently, any exercise of his sacramental power to consecrate the Eucharist is considered valid but illicit.

Once a priest, always a priest. However, having been ordained and partaking in active ministry are two completely different things.

Of course, if you look hard enough, you will be able to find certain individual priests who hold views that conflict with the officially ordained tenets of the Catholic church. You will be hard pressed, however, to find any religion that is more uniform and concrete in its teachings across the board. This is especially poignant in light of its sheer immensity.

I apologize if you genuinely did not intend your post as an oblique cheap shot at the church. A quick scan of The recent posts in this forum should give you a pretty good idea as to why I and my fellow Catholics may be a bit sensitive and defensive.

EDIT: fixed tag and typo
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No apology needed. I wasn’t using this “priest” as a generalization of what all priests are. I am very familiar with being singled out as a religion, but as a friendly reminder, Ecc 7:9 “Do not be quickly provoked in your spirit, for anger resides in the lap of fools.”

I’m out.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Headhunter’s brain macaroni salad aside, this entire thing has been a disaster for Obama. The only reason the contraception mandate was rolled out when it was rolled out was that it was part of the “war on women” meme the campaign was trying to score points with. Obama wanted to pander to the women’s vote - who, if you listen to Obama, isn’t a monolothic vote, but he decided to pander to it all the same as if it was.

It fizzled. The “war on women” meme and the contraception mandate didn’t move the needle in his direction, and what does he have to show for the effort? A First Amendment lawsuit that will not only create a robust debate about constitutional overreach (which is bad for Obama) but it will also lay to rest that the opponents aren’t part of any “war on women” (not that there was anyone left believing that anyway, but the platform of the lawsuit will be used to re-tell that story with great effect).

Now voters get to take stock with yet another lawsuit against the administration for overreach. Overreach, overreach, overreach - it will sound like a broken record. Obamacare. Contraception mandate. War Powers Act on Libya (no lawsuit, but easy pickings to talk about).

A disaster.[/quote]

Let’s all ignore him, like everyone else.