Obama Socialism Posters

[quote]Rockscar wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i dont see how trying to make the gap between poor and rich smaller is the same as socialism.

Lofty idea, but the way it is done is taking from those who have to give to those who do not, and restricting bonuses and pay in industries are Socialistic tactics. Obama has taken over 2 major car companies, Banks, and want’s to take over the entire Healthcare industry as well. Cap and Trade is a means to control our economy. Our economy should be Gov hands off free market.

Definition of Socialism:

Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

you know things like the post office, police, and fire dept are all ‘socialist’ ideas too, right? i guess you guys who were around for the whole Red scare thing are just mentally scarred for life about the word.

Yes it’s been around, but enough. USPS is a service and is paid for and funded through stamps and some taxes. Local Government Police/Fire is community financed, and not a Federal item, but it is used to protect us, not to oppress us and force us into anything…

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you think you’re being oppressed? lmao by what? a tax? stop making it sound like you’re having armed forces come into your house and take things from you then rape your wife, thats oppression, not some tax on people who make 200+ thousand a year.

[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i dont see how trying to make the gap between poor and rich smaller is the same as socialism.

Lofty idea, but the way it is done is taking from those who have to give to those who do not, and restricting bonuses and pay in industries are Socialistic tactics. Obama has taken over 2 major car companies, Banks, and want’s to take over the entire Healthcare industry as well. Cap and Trade is a means to control our economy. Our economy should be Gov hands off free market.

Definition of Socialism:

Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

you know things like the post office, police, and fire dept are all ‘socialist’ ideas too, right? i guess you guys who were around for the whole Red scare thing are just mentally scarred for life about the word.

Yes it’s been around, but enough. USPS is a service and is paid for and funded through stamps and some taxes. Local Government Police/Fire is community financed, and not a Federal item, but it is used to protect us, not to oppress us and force us into anything…

you think you’re being oppressed? lmao by what? a tax? stop making it sound like you’re having armed forces come into your house and take things from you then rape your wife, thats oppression, not some tax on people who make 200+ thousand a year. [/quote]

it won’t be 200+ a year. And yes taxation is oppression or the US wouldn’t be a country.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i dont see how trying to make the gap between poor and rich smaller is the same as socialism.

it won’t be 200+ a year. And yes taxation is oppression or the US wouldn’t be a country.[/quote]

No, I believe you have it wrong. Taxation without representation was the basis for the revolution and the founding of this country. Taxation without representation is oppression, but taxes are just a certainty of life.

[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i dont see how trying to make the gap between poor and rich smaller is the same as socialism.

Lofty idea, but the way it is done is taking from those who have to give to those who do not, and restricting bonuses and pay in industries are Socialistic tactics. Obama has taken over 2 major car companies, Banks, and want’s to take over the entire Healthcare industry as well. Cap and Trade is a means to control our economy. Our economy should be Gov hands off free market.

Definition of Socialism:

Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

you know things like the post office, police, and fire dept are all ‘socialist’ ideas too, right? i guess you guys who were around for the whole Red scare thing are just mentally scarred for life about the word.

Yes it’s been around, but enough. USPS is a service and is paid for and funded through stamps and some taxes. Local Government Police/Fire is community financed, and not a Federal item, but it is used to protect us, not to oppress us and force us into anything…

you think you’re being oppressed? lmao by what? a tax? stop making it sound like you’re having armed forces come into your house and take things from you then rape your wife, thats oppression, not some tax on people who make 200+ thousand a year. [/quote]

Forcing me to move from my chosen insurance in a private market where I can pay for the care I WANT…to a mandated system I have no control over and will be fined if I don’t accept is what?

[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
not some tax on people who make 200+ thousand a year. [/quote]

So if I make 220k, then I can complain?

[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:

it won’t be 200+ a year. And yes taxation is oppression or the US wouldn’t be a country.

No, I believe you have it wrong. Taxation without representation was the basis for the revolution and the founding of this country. Taxation without representation is oppression, but taxes are just a certainty of life.[/quote]

Did you read what he wrote? he pretty much said if there aren’t soldiers in your house it isn’t oppression. Taxes most certainly can be oppressive as per my statement.

And once again it comes back to popular opinion vs. right or wrong. Just because everyone gets a vote in the government doesn’t mean it can’t do oppressive things. Majority of public support doesn’t make something good or right or not oppressive.

Japanese people had a vote in the time leading up to WW2, that means the measures the US took to imprison them wasn’t oppression? Cause they got to vote on the representatives that imprisoned them.

Once blacks and women gained the right to vote, they were instantly no longer oppressed? Jim crow laws were passed while blacks had the right to vote.

Your logic is entirely short sighted and overly simplistic.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:

it won’t be 200+ a year. And yes taxation is oppression or the US wouldn’t be a country.

No, I believe you have it wrong. Taxation without representation was the basis for the revolution and the founding of this country. Taxation without representation is oppression, but taxes are just a certainty of life.

Did you read what he wrote? he pretty much said if there aren’t soldiers in your house it isn’t oppression. Taxes most certainly can be oppressive as per my statement.

And once again it comes back to popular opinion vs. right or wrong. Just because everyone gets a vote in the government doesn’t mean it can’t do oppressive things. Majority of public support doesn’t make something good or right or not oppressive.

Japanese people had a vote in the time leading up to WW2, that means the measures the US took to imprison them wasn’t oppression? Cause they got to vote on the representatives that imprisoned them.

Once blacks and women gained the right to vote, they were instantly no longer oppressed? Jim crow laws were passed while blacks had the right to vote.

Your logic is entirely short sighted and overly simplistic.
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you’re really comparing the tax in discussion to the American Revolution?

i used the example i did to show that people don’t have it as bad as they think. a slight tax on people who make an overwhelmingly disproportionate amount of money to the rest of the country isn’t ‘oppression’.

the tax isn’t oppresive as it isn’t applied solely on something like race or religion. you aren’t being taxed because you’re black and you aren’t being taxed because you’re Jewish. you’re being taxed because you make over 200 thousand a year, with that being the minimum and taxes raising in proportion to the amount grossed there after. it doesn’t prevent you from remaining disproportionately wealthy either, the people who make that aren’t being taxed 10,000 dollars at a time. it’s not permanent either.

stop comparing apples to oranges.

Nazism was hyper-nationalist and xenophobic

When is everyone going to realize the Communism is the way to go? :wink:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:

it won’t be 200+ a year. And yes taxation is oppression or the US wouldn’t be a country.

No, I believe you have it wrong. Taxation without representation was the basis for the revolution and the founding of this country. Taxation without representation is oppression, but taxes are just a certainty of life.

Did you read what he wrote? he pretty much said if there aren’t soldiers in your house it isn’t oppression. Taxes most certainly can be oppressive as per my statement.

And once again it comes back to popular opinion vs. right or wrong. Just because everyone gets a vote in the government doesn’t mean it can’t do oppressive things. Majority of public support doesn’t make something good or right or not oppressive.

Japanese people had a vote in the time leading up to WW2, that means the measures the US took to imprison them wasn’t oppression? Cause they got to vote on the representatives that imprisoned them.

Once blacks and women gained the right to vote, they were instantly no longer oppressed? Jim crow laws were passed while blacks had the right to vote.

Your logic is entirely short sighted and overly simplistic.
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Wasn’t taking sides, relax chief. However taxation is not oppressive if it is ratified by congress which represents the people. Sorry, but that’s the way it works. You always have the right to represent yourself and make a change in our government.

Hello all. I have been a member here since 2002. I haven’t posted in all that time, not even a picture of my shoe. This is an important topic and I have something different to add than what is in the previous posts.

 The political spectrum is usually talked about in terms of 'left' or 'right,' ranging from liberal to conservative. But this overlooks the more basic spectrum, and the one that is more important especially to America and Americans. All Americans, Democrat, Republican, Independent, whatever. This is the important spectrum; on one end is anarchy and the other is totalitarianism.

 Our first government was founded with the Articles of Confederation. This form of government turned out to be to weak to be useful and was removed. It was to close to anarchy.

The next government was the one we are more familiar with, The Constitution of the United States of America. This government moved slightly closer to totalitarianism in the overall political spectrum, but still was centered around the idea of individual rights and liberty.

 This worked well until somewhere around the 1850's. The United States was in the throes of the Civil War and this disrupted the election of Senators. Senators are elected to a term of 6 years. This is true today. Such a long term makes a Senatorial seat more valuable than a 2 year term that a Representative has, so there was more to gain from rigging a vote. Up until 1918 the Senators were elected by the individual State legislatures. This also made influencing a few legislators an attractive option for those inclined to such things. Many States were scandalized by State Legislators being bribed and blackmailed in Senatorial elections.  
  
 Ultimately, a Constitutional Amendment was passed, the 17th Amendment, that changed the election of Senators from the State Legislators to being elected by the constituents of the individual States. This removed a check on the Federal Government in the States interests were no longer represented in the Federal Government. Shortly after that the United States abandoned the gold standard for monetary policy. The ensuing years saw the New Deal, Great Society programs ect. Our Dollar has lost 96% or so of its purchasing power since then. Each one of these steps moved us further towards the totalitarianism end of the spectrum.

 We are all Americans. I believe we can all agree on one thing; we don't want to live under a totalitarian form of government. I believe that we should be concentrating on how much power the Federal Government has and what its proper role is. Remember that the government can only give what if first takes from someone else. If the government can take from them they can take it from you. 

 If what the Federal Government takes does not ensure Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, do you really want to entrust someone that far removed from you and your neighborhood to make decisions for you that carry the force of law in your stead?

Throughout history governments have tended to be some form of totalitarian, ending only eventually in anarchy. It is very difficult to to balance a government somewhere between anarchy and totalitarianism that protects individual rights, but also protects the group. We have the longest running Republic in the history of the world.

Let’s not lose the United States of America by reducing it, and us, to totalitarianism of any sort.

[quote]Zeke wrote:
Hello all. I have been a member here since 2002. I haven’t posted in all that time, not even a picture of my shoe. This is an important topic and I have something different to add than what is in the previous posts.

 The political spectrum is usually talked about in terms of 'left' or 'right,' ranging from liberal to conservative. But this overlooks the more basic spectrum, and the one that is more important especially to America and Americans. All Americans, Democrat, Republican, Independent, whatever. This is the important spectrum; on one end is anarchy and the other is totalitarianism.

 Our first government was founded with the Articles of Confederation. This form of government turned out to be to weak to be useful and was removed. It was to close to anarchy.

The next government was the one we are more familiar with, The Constitution of the United States of America. This government moved slightly closer to totalitarianism in the overall political spectrum, but still was centered around the idea of individual rights and liberty.

 This worked well until somewhere around the 1850's. The United States was in the throes of the Civil War and this disrupted the election of Senators. Senators are elected to a term of 6 years. This is true today. Such a long term makes a Senatorial seat more valuable than a 2 year term that a Representative has, so there was more to gain from rigging a vote. Up until 1918 the Senators were elected by the individual State legislatures. This also made influencing a few legislators an attractive option for those inclined to such things. Many States were scandalized by State Legislators being bribed and blackmailed in Senatorial elections.  
  
 Ultimately, a Constitutional Amendment was passed, the 17th Amendment, that changed the election of Senators from the State Legislators to being elected by the constituents of the individual States. This removed a check on the Federal Government in the States interests were no longer represented in the Federal Government. Shortly after that the United States abandoned the gold standard for monetary policy. The ensuing years saw the New Deal, Great Society programs ect. Our Dollar has lost 96% or so of its purchasing power since then. Each one of these steps moved us further towards the totalitarianism end of the spectrum.

 We are all Americans. I believe we can all agree on one thing; we don't want to live under a totalitarian form of government. I believe that we should be concentrating on how much power the Federal Government has and what its proper role is. Remember that the government can only give what if first takes from someone else. If the government can take from them they can take it from you. 

 If what the Federal Government takes does not ensure Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, do you really want to entrust someone that far removed from you and your neighborhood to make decisions for you that carry the force of law in your stead?

Throughout history governments have tended to be some form of totalitarian, ending only eventually in anarchy. It is very difficult to to balance a government somewhere between anarchy and totalitarianism that protects individual rights, but also protects the group. We have the longest running Republic in the history of the world.

Let’s not lose the United States of America by reducing it, and us, to totalitarianism of any sort.
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Fuckin A!!! WELCOME. Silent No More!

Somebody with your thought process and intelligence should come out of lurking. Bravo.

[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:
When is everyone going to realize the Communism is the way to go? ;)[/quote]

communism sucks. its like when you’re friends want you to help them move.

[quote]Zeke wrote:
Hello all. I have been a member here since 2002. I haven’t posted in all that time, not even a picture of my shoe. This is an important topic and I have something different to add than what is in the previous posts.

 The political spectrum is usually talked about in terms of 'left' or 'right,' ranging from liberal to conservative. But this overlooks the more basic spectrum, and the one that is more important especially to America and Americans. All Americans, Democrat, Republican, Independent, whatever. This is the important spectrum; on one end is anarchy and the other is totalitarianism.

 Our first government was founded with the Articles of Confederation. This form of government turned out to be to weak to be useful and was removed. It was to close to anarchy.

The next government was the one we are more familiar with, The Constitution of the United States of America. This government moved slightly closer to totalitarianism in the overall political spectrum, but still was centered around the idea of individual rights and liberty.

 This worked well until somewhere around the 1850's. The United States was in the throes of the Civil War and this disrupted the election of Senators. Senators are elected to a term of 6 years. This is true today. Such a long term makes a Senatorial seat more valuable than a 2 year term that a Representative has, so there was more to gain from rigging a vote. Up until 1918 the Senators were elected by the individual State legislatures. This also made influencing a few legislators an attractive option for those inclined to such things. Many States were scandalized by State Legislators being bribed and blackmailed in Senatorial elections.  
  
 Ultimately, a Constitutional Amendment was passed, the 17th Amendment, that changed the election of Senators from the State Legislators to being elected by the constituents of the individual States. This removed a check on the Federal Government in the States interests were no longer represented in the Federal Government. Shortly after that the United States abandoned the gold standard for monetary policy. The ensuing years saw the New Deal, Great Society programs ect. Our Dollar has lost 96% or so of its purchasing power since then. Each one of these steps moved us further towards the totalitarianism end of the spectrum.

 We are all Americans. I believe we can all agree on one thing; we don't want to live under a totalitarian form of government. I believe that we should be concentrating on how much power the Federal Government has and what its proper role is. Remember that the government can only give what if first takes from someone else. If the government can take from them they can take it from you. 

 If what the Federal Government takes does not ensure Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, do you really want to entrust someone that far removed from you and your neighborhood to make decisions for you that carry the force of law in your stead?

Throughout history governments have tended to be some form of totalitarian, ending only eventually in anarchy. It is very difficult to to balance a government somewhere between anarchy and totalitarianism that protects individual rights, but also protects the group. We have the longest running Republic in the history of the world.

Let’s not lose the United States of America by reducing it, and us, to totalitarianism of any sort.
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way to make a first post?

Waa, waa, waaaaa…

Oh, the plight of the rich white man in America!

It’s just so damn hard being on top.

[quote]Michael570 wrote:
Waa, waa, waaaaa…

Oh, the plight of the rich white man in America!

It’s just so damn hard being on top.

[/quote]

What the hell are you talking about?

[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Fuzzyapple wrote:
When is everyone going to realize the Communism is the way to go? :wink:

communism sucks. its like when you’re friends want you to help them move. [/quote]

And then fuck your girlfriend…

[quote]Michael570 wrote:
Waa, waa, waaaaa…

Oh, the plight of the rich white man in America!

It’s just so damn hard being on top.

[/quote]

sweeping generalization ftw!

[quote]Rockscar wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Fuzzyapple wrote:
When is everyone going to realize the Communism is the way to go? :wink:

communism sucks. its like when you’re friends want you to help them move.

And then fuck your girlfriend…

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sharing is caring

[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Michael570 wrote:
Waa, waa, waaaaa…

Oh, the plight of the rich white man in America!

It’s just so damn hard being on top.

What the hell are you talking about?[/quote]

All this fight for the top capitalism is bad mental healt. If you want to spend your life fighting with others harder and harder then go for it.Go ahead, work 12hours per day for your stupid sport car. In the end it doesnt even matter. You will just have lost all your time to be ‘‘the one’’. I’ll be enjoying my life without any of the material bullshit