[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Magarhe wrote:
Yeah Britain is a mess. Easy to see why people would want to start anew with USA. But now hundreds of years later USA is a bit of a mess. Time to start again?
Likely. We’ll see how the next few years go.[/quote]
A paraphrse, perhaps, of Chou En-lai, Mao’s Premier of China and an eminent scholar of China’s 4000 year history, who when asked what he thought of the French Revolution, replied, “Too soon to tell.”
[quote]tom63 wrote:
We have John Browning, Bill Gates, Tom Edison, George Washington Carver, and Eli Whitney.
Of course we also have bourbon, Jenna Jameson, the atom bomb, and the blues.
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On the other hand, they have William Shakespeare, Rudyard Kipling, Alexander Graham Bell, and Catherine Zeta-Jones.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
When I tell people that my appartment in London was over 200 years old, they just can’t relate.
Unless, of course, they come from New England, where 200- or even 300-year old houses are by no means unheard of.
Then I take them to the tower of London and point out that it is older than most of the Pyramids in Latin America.
Or you could take them to Canterbury cathedral, which is 400 years older than the Tower. Built almost a thousand years before the first Englishmen set foot on Roanoke Island.[/quote]
Actually the current building was only built 1 year before the white tower.
The church I went to as a kid was actually slightly older than the Cathedral. (I was born in Kent)
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
You forgot to mention how a little island, for a time, claimed 40% of the earth’s land mass as it’s empire. THAT is no small feat.
Along with having a language which, once spoken by only three million people, is now spoken by over half the inhabitants of this planet.
Of course, all of the things I listed above allowed them to accomplish both of these things, much as the sarissa lance and the Macedonian Phalanx allowed a tiny Greek-speaking backwater province to acquire the largest empire ever seen, and spread Hellenistic culture and language from Egypt to India.
The Romans merely perfected Greek accomplishments, and took over the old Macedonian Empire when it declined. Roman military science, architecture, religion, philosophy, government, and even the Latin language was heavily influenced by the Greeks.
So I guess you could say that just as the Romans owed homage to the Greeks for all of their cultural achievements and doing all the empire-building groundwork for them, so do we as Americans (the modern-day Roman Empire) owe the British for the same.[/quote]
Macedonians had the largest empire? How? When Britain owned 3/4 of this planet along with all the seas and oceans remember we did once have the strongest navy in the world.
[quote]Rogers16 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
You forgot to mention how a little island, for a time, claimed 40% of the earth’s land mass as it’s empire. THAT is no small feat.
Along with having a language which, once spoken by only three million people, is now spoken by over half the inhabitants of this planet.
Of course, all of the things I listed above allowed them to accomplish both of these things, much as the sarissa lance and the Macedonian Phalanx allowed a tiny Greek-speaking backwater province to acquire the largest empire ever seen, and spread Hellenistic culture and language from Egypt to India.
The Romans merely perfected Greek accomplishments, and took over the old Macedonian Empire when it declined. Roman military science, architecture, religion, philosophy, government, and even the Latin language was heavily influenced by the Greeks.
So I guess you could say that just as the Romans owed homage to the Greeks for all of their cultural achievements and doing all the empire-building groundwork for them, so do we as Americans (the modern-day Roman Empire) owe the British for the same.
Macedonians had the largest empire? How? When Britain owned 3/4 of this planet along with all the seas and oceans remember we did once have the strongest navy in the world.
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No, silly, I said that the Macedonians had the largest empire ever seen. In other words, ever seen up until then. Arguably, it was even larger, in terms of land area, than the Roman Empire under Trajan.
Sadly, a quick look in my atlas and history books shows that the Persian Empire, at its height under Darius I, was in fact larger than the Macedonian Empire at its height. So my statement was mistaken.
I certainly was not disputing, either then nor now, that the British did indeed put together the largest portfolio of real estate ever assembled. The Mongols came in a close second, the Russians a somewhat distant third, and the Spanish a slightly more distant fourth.
Even more arguably, in terms of the ability to project force (land, air, and sea power, coupled with economic and political leverage), the United States now controls more land and sea area than even the British did with their magnificent Navy.
Which is a bit of a paradox. This would make the most powerful empire in history the only one in history to deny that it’s an empire.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Rogers16 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
You forgot to mention how a little island, for a time, claimed 40% of the earth’s land mass as it’s empire. THAT is no small feat.
Along with having a language which, once spoken by only three million people, is now spoken by over half the inhabitants of this planet.
Of course, all of the things I listed above allowed them to accomplish both of these things, much as the sarissa lance and the Macedonian Phalanx allowed a tiny Greek-speaking backwater province to acquire the largest empire ever seen, and spread Hellenistic culture and language from Egypt to India.
The Romans merely perfected Greek accomplishments, and took over the old Macedonian Empire when it declined. Roman military science, architecture, religion, philosophy, government, and even the Latin language was heavily influenced by the Greeks.
So I guess you could say that just as the Romans owed homage to the Greeks for all of their cultural achievements and doing all the empire-building groundwork for them, so do we as Americans (the modern-day Roman Empire) owe the British for the same.
Macedonians had the largest empire? How? When Britain owned 3/4 of this planet along with all the seas and oceans remember we did once have the strongest navy in the world.
No, silly, I said that the Macedonians had the largest empire ever seen. In other words, ever seen up until then. Arguably, it was even larger, in terms of land area, than the Roman Empire under Trajan.
Sadly, a quick look in my atlas and history books shows that the Persian Empire, at its height under Darius I, was in fact larger than the Macedonian Empire at its height. So my statement was mistaken.
I certainly was not disputing, either then nor now, that the British did indeed put together the largest portfolio of real estate ever assembled. The Mongols came in a close second, the Russians a somewhat distant third, and the Spanish a slightly more distant fourth.
Even more arguably, in terms of the ability to project force (land, air, and sea power, coupled with economic and political leverage), the United States now controls more land and sea area than even the British did with their magnificent Navy.
Which is a bit of a paradox. This would make the most powerful empire in history the only one in history to deny that it’s an empire.[/quote]
America have an empire? What lands do you own? And true you Americans do own the seas your navy fuckin massive the next 19 countries thats behind you including Britain being secound btw cant even compare the size of your navy with all there navies combined anyways Britain today still owns 14 lands.
[quote]Rogers16 wrote:
America have an empire? What lands do you own? And true you Americans do own the seas your navy fuckin massive the next 19 countries thats behind you including Britain being secound btw cant even compare the size of your navy with all there navies combined anyways Britain today still owns 14 lands.[/quote]
By “Britain today still owns 14 lands,” I assume you are referring to the 16 members of the Commonwealth over which the Queen “reigns”, including such places as Canada, New Zealand and Australia, which actually have legislative independence. I’d like to ask Christian Thibaudeau and Pookie, who live in Quebec, whether they feel like their country is “owned” by Britain. Their responses ought to be interesting.
Of course, I could be wrong. You could be referring to places like Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man.
What lands do the United States own? Let’s see: to start with, the 48 contiguous States, of course, which legally speaking are at least as sovereign as Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
Alaska and Hawaii, our overseas States.
Land and water area so far: Total: 9,826,630 sq km (land: 9,161,923 sq km; water: 664,707 sq km)
Then there are our incorporated and unincorporated overseas possessions:
American Samoa
Baker Island
Guam
Howland Island
Jarvis Island
Johnston Atoll
Kingman Reef
Midway Islands
Navassa Island
Northern Mariana Islands
Palmyra Atoll
Puerto Rico
Virgin Islands
Wake Island
Total area, all-inclusive: 9,850,476 sq km (land: 9,172,389 sq km; water: 678,087 sq km)
This, of course, doesn’t count our military installations around the world.
The Roman Empire, at its height, had thirty-seven military bases on the frontiers of its domain. The British Empire had thirty-six.
The United States, by contrast, has a modest seven hundred sixty-one military bases throughout the world, not including those on US territory.
Out of 194 sovereign nations in the world, only 46 have no US military presence. 63 countries host permanent US military bases, notably Japan, South Korea, Germany, the Philippines, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Saudi Arabia. The total land area controlled by the US Department of Defense is 121,404 sq km.
The word “empire” derives from the Latin word imperium, denoting “military command.” An empire is defined as a geographically extensive group of states and peoples, united and ruled either by a monarch or an oligarchy.
What part of that definition, in your opinion, does not apply to the United States of America?
And now I realize that the 14 lands you were referring to were the British Overseas Territories, which include such places as the Falklands, Gibraltar, Montserrat, Pitcairn, and the British Antarctic Territory.
My mistake.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Rogers16 wrote:
America have an empire? What lands do you own? And true you Americans do own the seas your navy fuckin massive the next 19 countries thats behind you including Britain being secound btw cant even compare the size of your navy with all there navies combined anyways Britain today still owns 14 lands.
By “Britain today still owns 14 lands,” I assume you are referring to the 16 members of the Commonwealth over which the Queen “reigns”, including such places as Canada, New Zealand and Australia, which actually have legislative independence. I’d like to ask Christian Thibaudeau and Pookie, who live in Quebec, whether they feel like their country is “owned” by Britain. Their responses ought to be interesting.
Of course, I could be wrong. You could be referring to places like Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man.
What lands do the United States own? Let’s see: to start with, the 48 contiguous States, of course, which legally speaking are at least as sovereign as Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
Alaska and Hawaii, our overseas States.
Land and water area so far: Total: 9,826,630 sq km (land: 9,161,923 sq km; water: 664,707 sq km)
Then there are our incorporated and unincorporated overseas possessions:
American Samoa
Baker Island
Guam
Howland Island
Jarvis Island
Johnston Atoll
Kingman Reef
Midway Islands
Navassa Island
Northern Mariana Islands
Palmyra Atoll
Puerto Rico
Virgin Islands
Wake Island
Total area, all-inclusive: 9,850,476 sq km (land: 9,172,389 sq km; water: 678,087 sq km)
This, of course, doesn’t count our military installations around the world.
The Roman Empire, at its height, had thirty-seven military bases on the frontiers of its domain. The British Empire had thirty-six.
The United States, by contrast, has a modest seven hundred sixty-one military bases throughout the world, not including those on US territory.
Out of 194 sovereign nations in the world, only 46 have no US military presence. 63 countries host permanent US military bases, notably Japan, South Korea, Germany, the Philippines, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Saudi Arabia. The total land area controlled by the US Department of Defense is 121,404 sq km.
The word “empire” derives from the Latin word imperium, denoting “military command.” An empire is defined as a geographically extensive group of states and peoples, united and ruled either by a monarch or an oligarchy.
What part of that definition, in your opinion, does not apply to the United States of America?[/quote]
All those lands have independence reason why America dont have an empire anyways thats like saying Britain has an empire today because we have bases in afghan, iraq, saudi arabia, germany, borneo, belize, gibralter, cyprus, kenya, sierra leone, balkans, brunei, falkland islands and even canada including the 14 overseas btw isle of man, jersey and that other island are not our overseas lands because there right next to Britain dude we even train in the amazon so by what your saying we own the amazon aswell which mate we dont do we?
And those lands you mentioned are in the pacific and are small. Britain was the only country to have lands on every continent which is the reason why we got the term ‘the sun never sets on the British empire’ and in that empire we owned 33,670,000 km² thats just land not water you also need to think about the technology back then we didnt have titanium nuclear warships, we had oak ship with cannons, muskets that couldnt fire straight and horses instead of tanks and again you need to think about the population and size of the country Britain in the colonial period had 12mil pop. which isnt good compared to 24mil pop. france and you know were a really small country but I know if America wanted an empire for real they would form the new biggest empire ever seen and probably get full support from Britain.
Dude I cant be bothered discussimg about empires because its really fuckin boring
[quote]Rogers16 wrote:
Dude I cant be bothered discussimg about empires because its really fuckin boring [/quote]
That’s all right. I’d hate for you to get bored.
If you don’t mind me asking, though, what is your native language?
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Alaska and Hawaii, our overseas States.
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Alaska is an overseas state? Idiot. I swear, dumb people in PWI.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
Alaska and Hawaii, our overseas States.
Alaska is an overseas state? Idiot. I swear, dumb people in PWI.[/quote]
If you don’t want to travel through Canada (and who would?), the only way to get there is over the sea. 
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Rogers16 wrote:
Dude I cant be bothered discussimg about empires because its really fuckin boring
That’s all right. I’d hate for you to get bored.
If you don’t mind me asking, though, what is your native language?[/quote]
Im British mate
[quote]Rogers16 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
Rogers16 wrote:
Dude I cant be bothered discussimg about empires because its really fuckin boring
That’s all right. I’d hate for you to get bored.
If you don’t mind me asking, though, what is your native language?
Im British mate[/quote]
Yes, I know.
I was just wondering, after reading your rather tortured post earlier, if there was a language other than English in which you’d be more comfortable writing.