Obama: Quit Listening to Rush!

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]tme wrote:
toejam wrote:
obama is tring to get representatives to not listen to rush, he wants all the attention. so he can try tp push thru his socialist views, dems know that, they are already covering their asses, as elections are coming up quicker than you think.sway to far to the left, and republicans are back in power.something to watch though,obamas use of ex orders.

Was this a joke? Or are you really this fucking stoopid?

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Uh, that’s what Obama said, dumbass. He basically threatened Republicans in the congress that if they want a seat at the table they cannot listen to Rush…I think he is over estimating his power here. The First amendment belongs to members of congress too, they can listen to what ever they want.

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[quote]905Patrick wrote:
I have a major issue with ALL American’s not not taking him to task for his “I hope Obama fails” comment last week.

To want the leader of your country to fail simply because you disagree with their political approach is completely sickening. People like Rush want their team to win even if their country fails. This is more than a difference in opinion.[/quote]

It took one of our friends from the Great White North to say this…?

Great post,905P.

With the shape the Country is in, disagree with the approach…but wanting the President to fail?

That disappoints me to no end.

Mufasa

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To fail to implement his policies? You bet. I want him to fail and the country to succeed, in spite of his agenda. What else can be expected? “Golly gee, I sure hope he gets the great big stimulus he wants. And I hope he succeeds in redistributing wealth!” Why would I hope he succeeds in any of this, when his ideology is completely opposite of what I want for this country?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
To fail to implement his policies? You bet. I want him to fail and the country to succeed, in spite of his agenda. What else can be expected? “Golly gee, I sure hope he gets the great big stimulus he wants. And I hope he succeeds in redistributing wealth!” Why would I hope he succeeds in any of this, when his ideology is completely opposite of what I want for this country? [/quote]

I’ll ask the same thing the President asked:

What are the viable and workable alternatives?

(Since I have no “principals”, I’m open to them…)

And he won’t get through ANY policy without some Conservative help.

So…I’m calling “bullshit…”

Guys…cut the “I love this Country, so I want him to fail” song and dance…

Most of you guys can’t wait to post some “FAIL” poster…and for Obama to go down in flames, taking Reid and Pelosi with him…

Mufasa

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I strongly suspect this news source of bias.

I have difficulty imagining Obama flat-out ordering republican representatives to do anything with the justification of ‘I won. I’m the president’, as the paper quotes.

It irks me that I can’t find another news source that covers this same story.

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" The creator produces, the parasite loots. The creator’s concern is the conquest of nature - the parasite’s concern is the conquest of men. The creator requires independence, he neither serves nor rules. He deals with men by free exchange and voluntary choice. The parasite seeks power, he wants to bind all men together in common action and common slavery. He claims that man is only a tool for the use of others. That he must think as they think, act as they act, and live is selfless, joyless servitude to any need but his own. Look at history. Everything thing we have, every great achievement has come from the independent work of some independent mind. Every horror and destruction came from attempts to force men into a herd of brainless, soulless robots. Without personal rights, without personal ambition, without will, hope, or dignity. It is an ancient conflict. It has another name: the individual against the collective."

    ---- Ayn Rand
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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Sloth wrote:
To fail to implement his policies? You bet. I want him to fail and the country to succeed, in spite of his agenda. What else can be expected? “Golly gee, I sure hope he gets the great big stimulus he wants. And I hope he succeeds in redistributing wealth!” Why would I hope he succeeds in any of this, when his ideology is completely opposite of what I want for this country?

I’ll ask the same thing the President asked:

What are the viable and workable alternatives?

(Since I have no “principals”, I’m open to them…)

And he won’t get through ANY policy without some Conservative help.
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Bullshit. He doesn’t need a single republican’s help.

Oh, I want Pelosi to fail big time. That bitch is to stupid for words.
That “stimulus” is a joke…It’s just a laundry list of government sponsored social programs. Most “jobs” it creates are temporary manual labor jobs, which will thrill our illegal brothers and sisters, but won’t do diddly squat for the economy.

A stimulus needs to be an investment with a return. We, the independent tax payer who is not financially irresponsible are going to get left holding the bag…This is a trillion dollar spending bill, not a stimulus. What is does do is pay off all the democratic constituents who got these nimrods elected in one fell swoop.

This is the new New Deal and it will be as successful as the last. It will serve to prolong the recession, that’s about it.

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Sloth wrote:
To fail to implement his policies? You bet. I want him to fail and the country to succeed, in spite of his agenda. What else can be expected? “Golly gee, I sure hope he gets the great big stimulus he wants. And I hope he succeeds in redistributing wealth!” Why would I hope he succeeds in any of this, when his ideology is completely opposite of what I want for this country?

I’ll ask the same thing the President asked:

What are the viable and workable alternatives?

(Since I have no “principals”, I’m open to them…)

And he won’t get through ANY policy without some Conservative help.

So…I’m calling “bullshit…”

Guys…cut the “I love this Country, so I want him to fail” song and dance…

Most of you guys can’t wait to post some “FAIL” poster…and for Obama to go down in flames, taking Reid and Pelosi with him…

Mufasa
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Your arguement implies conservatives must accept his liberal polices now that he’s President. No. Just because he’s President doesn’t mean I’m suddenly cheerleading another huge “stimulus package” (gee, the last one didn’t work? Borrow more money!), foreign abortion providers recieving my tax dollars, and his health-care plan. I hope he fails miserably in trying to get stuff like that through. The best I can hope for is that he get’s VERY little done.

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[quote]pat wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
Sloth wrote:
To fail to implement his policies? You bet. I want him to fail and the country to succeed, in spite of his agenda. What else can be expected? “Golly gee, I sure hope he gets the great big stimulus he wants. And I hope he succeeds in redistributing wealth!” Why would I hope he succeeds in any of this, when his ideology is completely opposite of what I want for this country?

I’ll ask the same thing the President asked:

What are the viable and workable alternatives?

(Since I have no “principals”, I’m open to them…)

And he won’t get through ANY policy without some Conservative help.

Bullshit. He doesn’t need a single republican’s help.

So…I’m calling “bullshit…”

Guys…cut the “I love this Country, so I want him to fail” song and dance…

Most of you guys can’t wait to post some “FAIL” poster…and for Obama to go down in flames, taking Reid and Pelosi with him…

Mufasa

Oh, I want Pelosi to fail big time. That bitch is to stupid for words.
That “stimulus” is a joke…It’s just a laundry list of government sponsored social programs. Most “jobs” it creates are temporary manual labor jobs, which will thrill our illegal brothers and sisters, but won’t do diddly squat for the economy.

A stimulus needs to be an investment with a return. We, the independent tax payer who is not financially irresponsible are going to get left holding the bag…This is a trillion dollar spending bill, not a stimulus. What is does do is pay off all the democratic constituents who got these nimrods elected in one fell swoop.

This is the new New Deal and it will be as successful as the last. It will serve to prolong the recession, that’s about it.[/quote]

Good post, Pat! It seems as if all the politicians know is how to spend and how to grab more power. Painful as it would be, we need someone of the order of a Washington to come and literally close down about 70 or 80% of the Federal government. Then make it a law that debt is not an option, nor is fiat money.

The states (as sovereign nations) united and formed a small central government as a vehicle of common voice in dealing with external nations. How it got to what it is, a huge monstrosity, is another thread.

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[quote]valiance. wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
I could care less if you post a whole slew of other quotes, the man’s a racist and bonafide retard.

We didn’t get through one page without a whiterperson accusing a white conservative of racism.

You are “super not-racist.”

I think we’ve found our new conservative boogieman, now that Bush is out.

the accusation is neither unfair nor unwarranted. if you don’t want to be called a racist, don’t say racist things…[/quote]

LOL. wow. Could you be any whiter?

I bet you even have a black friend or two.

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One last point about “failure”…

With the mess the economy is in, ANY policy (even that of many of you guys beloved Ron Paul), are going to “fail” on some level.

In other words, there is going to be no policy that will get the Country out of this mess, without some segments of the economy being bolstered while other ones continue to flounder (or even get worse).

That’s the reality.

There is no IN TOTAL “winning” policies or “failing” ones.

If you guys know of one put forth by someone, then THERE is your “Messiah”…that way, you can begin to accept that the President is what he is…just a man trying to do the best job he can for the Country.

Mufasa

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
Sloth wrote:
To fail to implement his policies? You bet. I want him to fail and the country to succeed, in spite of his agenda. What else can be expected? “Golly gee, I sure hope he gets the great big stimulus he wants. And I hope he succeeds in redistributing wealth!” Why would I hope he succeeds in any of this, when his ideology is completely opposite of what I want for this country?

I’ll ask the same thing the President asked:

What are the viable and workable alternatives?

(Since I have no “principals”, I’m open to them…)

And he won’t get through ANY policy without some Conservative help.

So…I’m calling “bullshit…”

Guys…cut the “I love this Country, so I want him to fail” song and dance…

Most of you guys can’t wait to post some “FAIL” poster…and for Obama to go down in flames, taking Reid and Pelosi with him…

Mufasa

Your arguement implies conservatives must accept his liberal polices now that he’s President. No. Just because he’s President doesn’t mean I’m suddenly cheerleading another huge “stimulus package” (gee, the last one didn’t work? Borrow more money!), foreign abortion providers recieving my tax dollars, and his health-care plan. I hope he fails miserably in trying to get stuff like that through. The best I can hope for is that he get’s VERY little done.[/quote]

(chirp chirp chirp…)

I’m still waiting to hear what will work…

Remember…I’m one of those guys with no “principals”…so I’m open.

Mufasa

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[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
I could care less if you post a whole slew of other quotes, the man’s a racist and bonafide retard.[/quote]

Well, Hulk, here is a man who is neither a retard nor a racist, but who also hopes Obama fails:

Black America Could Have Done Better
By Shelby Steele

When one’s candidate loses in American politics, it is only good manners to offer best wishes to the winner. And I wish Barack Obama well as the new president of the United States. I hope he gets to govern in a quiet world. And I am proud that America could elect a black president, though I’ve known this was possible at least since 1996, when Colin Powell might well have beaten a then weak Bill Clinton. So I feel earnest goodwill toward this new administration, but I’m afraid my actual “hopes” for it run to the negative.

I hope this administration does not succeed in dumping vast amounts of printing-press money into the economy, so that taxes must later be raised to withering levels. I hope it fails to universalize health care or to sustain race-based affirmative action. I hope school choice happens in inner cities despite Mr. Obama’s animus toward it.

Barack Obama’s victory was an ideological defeat for modern conservatism and a devastating blow to the Republican Party. It wasn’t just a case of one centrist candidate slipping past another centrist candidate at the finish line. This defeat – helped along by a sinking economy – was on the level of ideas. It points to nothing less than a new and still unfolding Obama “progressivism” in which Keynes replaces Friedman and “trickle-down” gives way to “bottom-up.”

This progressivism sees economic inequality as America’s gravest problem, and blames it on the conservatism of free markets, lower taxes, fewer regulations and smaller government. It wants to engineer equality through redistributive tax policies, the restructuring of markets through increased regulation, an expansion of entitlements, and more governmental activism.

Of course the bad economy has checked some of Mr. Obama’s progressive ambitions. He will live with the Bush tax cuts for the time being, and he may include some business tax cuts in his stimulus package. But he clearly wants a more redistributive and socially activist government. And he will be helped in this by two unique sources of authority: the urgency of our economic troubles and his moral authority as the first black president. Again, I am not hopeful for him here, and I despair at seeing the moral capital of my race put to these ends.

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
Sloth wrote:
To fail to implement his policies? You bet. I want him to fail and the country to succeed, in spite of his agenda. What else can be expected? “Golly gee, I sure hope he gets the great big stimulus he wants. And I hope he succeeds in redistributing wealth!” Why would I hope he succeeds in any of this, when his ideology is completely opposite of what I want for this country?

I’ll ask the same thing the President asked:

What are the viable and workable alternatives?

(Since I have no “principals”, I’m open to them…)

And he won’t get through ANY policy without some Conservative help.

So…I’m calling “bullshit…”

Guys…cut the “I love this Country, so I want him to fail” song and dance…

Most of you guys can’t wait to post some “FAIL” poster…and for Obama to go down in flames, taking Reid and Pelosi with him…

Mufasa

Your arguement implies conservatives must accept his liberal polices now that he’s President. No. Just because he’s President doesn’t mean I’m suddenly cheerleading another huge “stimulus package” (gee, the last one didn’t work? Borrow more money!), foreign abortion providers recieving my tax dollars, and his health-care plan. I hope he fails miserably in trying to get stuff like that through. The best I can hope for is that he get’s VERY little done.

(chirp chirp chirp…)

I’m still waiting to hear what will work…

Remember…I’m one of those guys with no “principals”…so I’m open.

Mufasa
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Leaving the economy alone. Better yet, get out of it’s way. Cut taxes and regulation, reign in spending, and for crying out loud, stop borrowing and spending money we don’t have to “stimulate” the economy. Time to take the pain and let the market sort it out. At least when it’s done we’ll be closer to a natural market state. Or, we could keep trying to inflate a bubble on the backs of future generations (and don’t get me started on how heavy the entitlement burden will be on them) that’s going to pop eventually, anyways.

And the alternative to providing forgeign abortionists with money, is, well, not to.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
Sloth wrote:
To fail to implement his policies? You bet. I want him to fail and the country to succeed, in spite of his agenda. What else can be expected? “Golly gee, I sure hope he gets the great big stimulus he wants. And I hope he succeeds in redistributing wealth!” Why would I hope he succeeds in any of this, when his ideology is completely opposite of what I want for this country?

I’ll ask the same thing the President asked:

What are the viable and workable alternatives?

(Since I have no “principals”, I’m open to them…)

And he won’t get through ANY policy without some Conservative help.

So…I’m calling “bullshit…”

Guys…cut the “I love this Country, so I want him to fail” song and dance…

Most of you guys can’t wait to post some “FAIL” poster…and for Obama to go down in flames, taking Reid and Pelosi with him…

Mufasa

Your arguement implies conservatives must accept his liberal polices now that he’s President. No. Just because he’s President doesn’t mean I’m suddenly cheerleading another huge “stimulus package” (gee, the last one didn’t work? Borrow more money!), foreign abortion providers recieving my tax dollars, and his health-care plan. I hope he fails miserably in trying to get stuff like that through. The best I can hope for is that he get’s VERY little done.

(chirp chirp chirp…)

I’m still waiting to hear what will work…

Remember…I’m one of those guys with no “principals”…so I’m open.

Mufasa

Leaving the economy alone. Better yet, get out of it’s way. Cut taxes and regulation, reign in spending, and for crying out loud, stop borrowing and spending money we don’t have to “stimulate” the economy. Time to take the pain and let the market sort it out. At least when it’s done we’ll be closer to a natural market state. Or, we could keep trying to inflate a bubble on the backs of future generations (and don’t get me started on how heavy the entitlement burden will be on them) that’s going to pop eventually, anyways.

And the alternative to providing foreign abortionists with money, is, well, not to.[/quote]

Exactly. The best thing we can do for the economy is nothing. It will fix itself. It is going through a much needed correction. This whole notion of government intervention being need to save it is wholesale bullshit. All that stimulus is a thinly veiled power grab. Put as much control in the hands of the government as possible. That’s why they are going after infrastructure project. We all need infastructure, if we want to use it we have to get it from Uncle Sam…It’s not unlike the mob when they corner the markets on the damn unions and if you want anything done you have to use them.

Cut taxes, that will stimulate the economy.

If you really insist on the bubble-up methodology and you just have to spend a trillion dollars, then just send every legal tax payer a check out of that trillion. At least then, it will go strait into the economy. Spending this large amount of money for social programs and infrastructure work is just fucking stupid.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
Sloth wrote:
To fail to implement his policies? You bet. I want him to fail and the country to succeed, in spite of his agenda. What else can be expected? “Golly gee, I sure hope he gets the great big stimulus he wants. And I hope he succeeds in redistributing wealth!” Why would I hope he succeeds in any of this, when his ideology is completely opposite of what I want for this country?

I’ll ask the same thing the President asked:

What are the viable and workable alternatives?

(Since I have no “principals”, I’m open to them…)

And he won’t get through ANY policy without some Conservative help.

So…I’m calling “bullshit…”

Guys…cut the “I love this Country, so I want him to fail” song and dance…

Most of you guys can’t wait to post some “FAIL” poster…and for Obama to go down in flames, taking Reid and Pelosi with him…

Mufasa

Your arguement implies conservatives must accept his liberal polices now that he’s President. No. Just because he’s President doesn’t mean I’m suddenly cheerleading another huge “stimulus package” (gee, the last one didn’t work? Borrow more money!), foreign abortion providers recieving my tax dollars, and his health-care plan. I hope he fails miserably in trying to get stuff like that through. The best I can hope for is that he get’s VERY little done.

(chirp chirp chirp…)

I’m still waiting to hear what will work…

Remember…I’m one of those guys with no “principals”…so I’m open.

Mufasa

Leaving the economy alone. Better yet, get out of it’s way. Cut taxes and regulation, reign in spending, and for crying out loud, stop borrowing and spending money we don’t have to “stimulate” the economy. Time to take the pain and let the market sort it out. At least when it’s done we’ll be closer to a natural market state. Or, we could keep trying to inflate a bubble on the backs of future generations (and don’t get me started on how heavy the entitlement burden will be on them) that’s going to pop eventually, anyways.

And the alternative to providing forgeign abortionists with money, is, well, not to.[/quote]

So you admit that any policy will have elements of it that will lead to failure of segments of the economy?

Now perhaps there can be some intelligent discussion.

Mufasa

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
So you admit that any policy will have elements of it that will lead to failure of segments of the economy?

Now perhaps there can be some intelligent discussion.

Mufasa

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Well, I provided a short answer alternative. So why would I hope he’s able to get his policy through? Being that both approaches are completely at odds with each other. Especially with me believing that his plan is going to end up causing even more problems.

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And definitely read the Steele piece Varg posted. It explains why I hope he fails, yet the country prospers.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
And definitely read the Steele piece Varg posted. It explains why I hope he fails, yet the country prospers. [/quote]

It simply doesn’t work that way, Sloth…and that’s been proven.

When major portions of the economy fail, the Country as a whole (and in case of Wall Street and housing, the whole World), is dragged down with it.

There are no easy answers that can be boiled down to a few rants on a Political Forum.

Mufasa

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Sloth wrote:
And definitely read the Steele piece Varg posted. It explains why I hope he fails, yet the country prospers.

It simply doesn’t work that way, Sloth…and that’s been proven.

When major portions of the economy fail, the Country as a whole (and in case of Wall Street and housing, the whole World), is dragged down with it.

There are no easy answers that can be boiled down to a few rants on a Political Forum.

Mufasa
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Why would you keep portions alive artificially? Why would you prop up something that loses money? So we put our nation further and further into debt keeping some vegetable on life support? So our kids can bear a greater and greater burden so politicians can return favors to wealthy contributors who took risks knowing they were “too big to fail?”

Also, do you realize what you’re implying? That if I’m one of the “too big to fails,” you’re going to bail me out no matter how reckeless I am? Or, how often I’m reckless? That’s a message right there that needs to come to an end. Individuals, corporations, wall street, or our own government, they all need to quit looking to other people forced into bailing their butts out. Live and act within your means folks!

Especially, when the present generation can’t even come close to paying for it’s own “solutions.” I said it before, and I’ll say it again. Future generations will despise us for what we did to them. They’ll be paying for all of this, while trying to bear their own present cost of the leviathan we’re leaving them with.