Obama on The Daily Show

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:
Those count as hard questions?[/quote]

He wasn’t out for the kill here. He was trying to have a discussion about topics relevant to most Americans. Granted, Obama didn’t really offer up anything new, but Stewart, who is not a newscaster or a politician, did well to ask questions that any reasonable person would want answers to. Republicans shit on the daily show for essentially the same reasons democrats shit on glenn beck, but this was a good show of still being able to thoughtfully question the politics of the party you support.[/quote]

Really don’t want to turn this thread into this argument so I will just do it this way.

Stewart=comedian
Beck=commentator

From what I have seen it’s not so much the Republicans hate Stewart it is that they hate the people who take his comedy as news.(Something Stewart himself says people should not do)

Don’t get me wrong I am glad stewart asked him some questions and didn’t give him a free ride, but they were not tough questions.[/quote]

I don’t disagree with the classifications of the two, I’m just saying that they get similar criticisms from both sides.

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
I like how he compared his health care to social security. He said in the beginins ss was just for widows and orphans, but over time that foundation was built upon. He said healthcare would be the same way, then said that is how progressive policies work. Does this mean the massive health care bill is just a start of something bigger? [/quote]

Yes , I think the only way to make health care more affordable for all is to remove the profit [/quote]

Hence, a lower standard of a resource servicing you. Profit drives ingenuity…PERIOD.
[/quote]

America may have the best health care money can buy, but the problem is more and more people can not afford it . Blue cross and blue shield were nonprofit until the mid 80s in essence they were subsided by the American Gov. That was when you could go to any doctor , no patients were denied care . No such thing as pre exsiting conditions.

So it is not breaking some American stigma of leaning toward socialism . In health care putting profit before Care is like putting the horse before the cart

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
I like how he compared his health care to social security. He said in the beginins ss was just for widows and orphans, but over time that foundation was built upon. He said healthcare would be the same way, then said that is how progressive policies work. Does this mean the massive health care bill is just a start of something bigger? [/quote]

Yes , I think the only way to make health care more affordable for all is to remove the profit [/quote]

Sure, doctors will study 10+ years and go deep into debt without making a profit, pharma companies are going to develop new cures without making a profit, and the hospitals while be downright excellent when no one that is interested in profit goes into that field anymore.

It will all simply be awesome.

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I like Stewart also , America needs a restoration to sanity , the Right wing has everyone that America has always been a nut job Nation[/quote]

Nicely formed post bro!

Glad that EVERYONE is effected by the right wing with a Democratic super majority! That IS NUTS!
[/quote]

Thanks , I think :slight_smile: The most vocal of politicians are RIGHT wing . The rational ones have the fault of not being as load as the irrational ones

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
I like how he compared his health care to social security. He said in the beginins ss was just for widows and orphans, but over time that foundation was built upon. He said healthcare would be the same way, then said that is how progressive policies work. Does this mean the massive health care bill is just a start of something bigger? [/quote]

Yes , I think the only way to make health care more affordable for all is to remove the profit [/quote]

Hence, a lower standard of a resource servicing you. Profit drives ingenuity…PERIOD.
[/quote]

America may have the best health care money can buy, but the problem is more and more people can not afford it . Blue cross and blue shield were nonprofit until the mid 80s in essence they were subsided by the American Gov. That was when you could go to any doctor , no patients were denied care . No such thing as pre exsiting conditions.

So it is not breaking some American stigma of leaning toward socialism . In health care putting profit before Care is like putting the horse before the cart[/quote]

So then let insurers compete across state lines, let them provide bare bones insurance, remove medical licensing and abolish the FDA.

Ta Da!

Costs are cut in half.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
I like how he compared his health care to social security. He said in the beginins ss was just for widows and orphans, but over time that foundation was built upon. He said healthcare would be the same way, then said that is how progressive policies work. Does this mean the massive health care bill is just a start of something bigger? [/quote]

Yes , I think the only way to make health care more affordable for all is to remove the profit [/quote]

Sure, doctors will study 10+ years and go deep into debt without making a profit, pharma companies are going to develop new cures without making a profit, and the hospitals while be downright excellent when no one that is interested in profit goes into that field anymore.

It will all simply be awesome.

[/quote]

Europe seems to do fine

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

In health care putting profit before Care is like putting the horse before the cart[/quote]

Um, then why is that a bad thing? Who doesn’t put the horse before the cart?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
I like how he compared his health care to social security. He said in the beginins ss was just for widows and orphans, but over time that foundation was built upon. He said healthcare would be the same way, then said that is how progressive policies work. Does this mean the massive health care bill is just a start of something bigger? [/quote]

Yes , I think the only way to make health care more affordable for all is to remove the profit [/quote]

Sure, doctors will study 10+ years and go deep into debt without making a profit, pharma companies are going to develop new cures without making a profit, and the hospitals while be downright excellent when no one that is interested in profit goes into that field anymore.

It will all simply be awesome.

[/quote]

Europe seems to do fine
[/quote]

If you dont mind waiting lists, crappy standards, little choice when it comes to treatments and death panels we are doing great!

No really, you can talk to a doctor for all of 5 minutes after having waited 2-3 months!

But its free!

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
I like how he compared his health care to social security. He said in the beginins ss was just for widows and orphans, but over time that foundation was built upon. He said healthcare would be the same way, then said that is how progressive policies work. Does this mean the massive health care bill is just a start of something bigger? [/quote]

Yes , I think the only way to make health care more affordable for all is to remove the profit [/quote]

Hence, a lower standard of a resource servicing you. Profit drives ingenuity…PERIOD.
[/quote]

America may have the best health care money can buy, but the problem is more and more people can not afford it . Blue cross and blue shield were nonprofit until the mid 80s in essence they were subsided by the American Gov. That was when you could go to any doctor , no patients were denied care . No such thing as pre exsiting conditions.

So it is not breaking some American stigma of leaning toward socialism . In health care putting profit before Care is like putting the horse before the cart[/quote]

So then let insurers compete across state lines, let them provide bare bones insurance, remove medical licensing and abolish the FDA.

Ta Da!

Costs are cut in half.

You could not sell insurance in Fla at NY prices , different demographics . Don’t you think each Insurance company already sells policies in just about every state ? So why would dropping state boundaries change anything . All i could see it would do is average the nations cost as opposed to averaging the states cost.

[/quote]

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
I like how he compared his health care to social security. He said in the beginins ss was just for widows and orphans, but over time that foundation was built upon. He said healthcare would be the same way, then said that is how progressive policies work. Does this mean the massive health care bill is just a start of something bigger? [/quote]

Yes , I think the only way to make health care more affordable for all is to remove the profit [/quote]

Hence, a lower standard of a resource servicing you. Profit drives ingenuity…PERIOD.
[/quote]

America may have the best health care money can buy, but the problem is more and more people can not afford it . Blue cross and blue shield were nonprofit until the mid 80s in essence they were subsided by the American Gov. That was when you could go to any doctor , no patients were denied care . No such thing as pre exsiting conditions.

So it is not breaking some American stigma of leaning toward socialism . In health care putting profit before Care is like putting the horse before the cart[/quote]

So then let insurers compete across state lines, let them provide bare bones insurance, remove medical licensing and abolish the FDA.

Ta Da!

Costs are cut in half.

You could not sell insurance in Fla at NY prices , different demographics . Don’t you think each Insurance company already sells policies in just about every state ? So why would dropping state boundaries change anything . All i could see it would do is average the nations cost as opposed to averaging the states cost.

[/quote]
[/quote]

It would change a lot, because then insurance companies could no longer lean on state lawmakers to limit competition.

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I’ll give Stewart credit - they weren’t “tough” questions in an onjective sense, but he did have the audacity to not kow-tow and did put the President in some awkward positions.

Stewart also called the President “dude” - an interesting refusal to accord the office of the presidency the usual deference you’d expect. To me, that is telling of how Stewart thinks of Obama - clearly, Stewart is not in awe of him. That portends something culturally, I think.

Stewart was fair to attack from the Left, where Stewart resides. I think he made his point. I also think that disenchanted moderates who were once supportive of Obama will become more disenchanted if they watch the clip - Obama clearly went on the show to pander to left-wing hipsters, and the language he was speaking (Obamacare is merely a “structure” for more change to come, i.e., “I’ve paved the way for bigger, badder public health care, this is just the first step”) won’t be lost on the moderates.

And, by the way, it is a hell of a thing to make both your base and moderates/independents grumpy at you. Lefties think he is too moderate, and moderates think he is too left-wing. You have to have a special kind of competence to pull this off - and it ain’t the good kind of competence.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
I like how he compared his health care to social security. He said in the beginins ss was just for widows and orphans, but over time that foundation was built upon. He said healthcare would be the same way, then said that is how progressive policies work. Does this mean the massive health care bill is just a start of something bigger? [/quote]

Yes , I think the only way to make health care more affordable for all is to remove the profit [/quote]

Sure, doctors will study 10+ years and go deep into debt without making a profit, pharma companies are going to develop new cures without making a profit, and the hospitals while be downright excellent when no one that is interested in profit goes into that field anymore.

It will all simply be awesome.

[/quote]

Europe seems to do fine
[/quote]

If you dont mind waiting lists, crappy standards, little choice when it comes to treatments and death panels we are doing great!

No really, you can talk to a doctor for all of 5 minutes after having waited 2-3 months!

But its free!

[/quote]

If everybody had endless supplies of money our system would be superior, problem is some people can not afford any care all they can do is clog the emergency rooms up and stiff the hospital who in turn charges people that do pay and Insurance companies for the people that do not pay.

Treating a sinus infection is cheaper that treating pneumonia

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
I like how he compared his health care to social security. He said in the beginins ss was just for widows and orphans, but over time that foundation was built upon. He said healthcare would be the same way, then said that is how progressive policies work. Does this mean the massive health care bill is just a start of something bigger? [/quote]

Yes , I think the only way to make health care more affordable for all is to remove the profit [/quote]

Hence, a lower standard of a resource servicing you. Profit drives ingenuity…PERIOD.
[/quote]

America may have the best health care money can buy, but the problem is more and more people can not afford it . Blue cross and blue shield were nonprofit until the mid 80s in essence they were subsided by the American Gov. That was when you could go to any doctor , no patients were denied care . No such thing as pre exsiting conditions.

So it is not breaking some American stigma of leaning toward socialism . In health care putting profit before Care is like putting the horse before the cart[/quote]

So then let insurers compete across state lines, let them provide bare bones insurance, remove medical licensing and abolish the FDA.

Ta Da!

Costs are cut in half.

You could not sell insurance in Fla at NY prices , different demographics . Don’t you think each Insurance company already sells policies in just about every state ? So why would dropping state boundaries change anything . All i could see it would do is average the nations cost as opposed to averaging the states cost.

[/quote]
[/quote]

It would change a lot, because then insurance companies could no longer lean on state lawmakers to limit competition.

[/quote]

I personally can not see a down side to that proposal , I just do not think the change would amount to anything

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
I like how he compared his health care to social security. He said in the beginins ss was just for widows and orphans, but over time that foundation was built upon. He said healthcare would be the same way, then said that is how progressive policies work. Does this mean the massive health care bill is just a start of something bigger? [/quote]

Yes , I think the only way to make health care more affordable for all is to remove the profit [/quote]

Sure, doctors will study 10+ years and go deep into debt without making a profit, pharma companies are going to develop new cures without making a profit, and the hospitals while be downright excellent when no one that is interested in profit goes into that field anymore.

It will all simply be awesome.

[/quote]

Europe seems to do fine
[/quote]

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
I like how he compared his health care to social security. He said in the beginins ss was just for widows and orphans, but over time that foundation was built upon. He said healthcare would be the same way, then said that is how progressive policies work. Does this mean the massive health care bill is just a start of something bigger? [/quote]

Yes , I think the only way to make health care more affordable for all is to remove the profit [/quote]

Sure, doctors will study 10+ years and go deep into debt without making a profit, pharma companies are going to develop new cures without making a profit, and the hospitals while be downright excellent when no one that is interested in profit goes into that field anymore.

It will all simply be awesome.

[/quote]

Europe seems to do fine
[/quote]

If you dont mind waiting lists, crappy standards, little choice when it comes to treatments and death panels we are doing great!

No really, you can talk to a doctor for all of 5 minutes after having waited 2-3 months!

But its free!

[/quote]

If everybody had endless supplies of money our system would be superior, problem is some people can not afford any care all they can do is clog the emergency rooms up and stiff the hospital who in turn charges people that do pay and Insurance companies for the people that do not pay.

Treating a sinus infection is cheaper that treating pneumonia [/quote]

You do know that they do not do this ranking anymore because it is complete bullshit?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
I like how he compared his health care to social security. He said in the beginins ss was just for widows and orphans, but over time that foundation was built upon. He said healthcare would be the same way, then said that is how progressive policies work. Does this mean the massive health care bill is just a start of something bigger? [/quote]

Yes , I think the only way to make health care more affordable for all is to remove the profit [/quote]

Sure, doctors will study 10+ years and go deep into debt without making a profit, pharma companies are going to develop new cures without making a profit, and the hospitals while be downright excellent when no one that is interested in profit goes into that field anymore.

It will all simply be awesome.

[/quote]

Europe seems to do fine
[/quote]

No they don’t.

My father died while waiting for treatment of terminal cancer, and this was 6 years ago, not what I would call a time warp to the past. I have personally seen (many times) how socialized medicine leads to a lower standard of care and much longer waiting times even if it is “free.” Oh and when I say free, I mean people being taxes only 70% of their paychecks.

Europe is good when you have a cold, flu, or a sprained ankle. Get REALLY sick with some shit, and it’s a nightmare.

You are also forgetting that lovely statistic, that 2/3 of Americans are obese, with many dealing with some sort of illness associated with it (high blood pressure, heart disease, diabetes, etc.) Just wait til Obama care deals with all of that. Europeans are healthier from better eating habits (sorry but this is true on the average), which means fewer of them need a doctor.

“But my plan will bring costs down !”

  • The Chosen One
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my wife suffers from multiple sclerosis.
in her case, France do just fine.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
I’ll give Stewart credit - they weren’t “tough” questions in an onjective sense, but he did have the audacity to not kow-tow and did put the President in some awkward positions.

Stewart also called the President “dude” - an interesting refusal to accord the office of the presidency the usual deference you’d expect. To me, that is telling of how Stewart thinks of Obama - clearly, Stewart is not in awe of him. That portends something culturally, I think.

Stewart was fair to attack from the Left, where Stewart resides. I think he made his point. I also think that disenchanted moderates who were once supportive of Obama will become more disenchanted if they watch the clip - Obama clearly went on the show to pander to left-wing hipsters, and the language he was speaking (Obamacare is merely a “structure” for more change to come, i.e., “I’ve paved the way for bigger, badder public health care, this is just the first step”) won’t be lost on the moderates.

And, by the way, it is a hell of a thing to make both your base and moderates/independents grumpy at you. Lefties think he is too moderate, and moderates think he is too left-wing. You have to have a special kind of competence to pull this off - and it ain’t the good kind of competence.[/quote]

Well put.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

America may have the best health care money can buy, but …[/quote]

What dude…WHAT!!! Fuck!!!

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The questions were not hard, but I think Stewart did a good job. I am not a big fan of him, as I like Colbert better. I like the fact that he did not kiss his ass like I thought he would. He even took a few stabs at him.