Obama-nizing my Classes

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
The really rich irony is that HH is the cosseted pet of his socialist teachers’ union. Thus he can publicly disdain his students and their families, his fellow teachers, and his administration without any of the real-life repercussions any other type of employee would face in like circumstances.

Schools already practice socialism. Especially embarrassing is when comrades are too stupid to see their part in it and sit around pissing and moaning anyway.

So enjoy your posh health benefit package, enjoy your summers and every-goddamn-holiday-on-the-federal-calendar off, put your 25 years in at the job you excoriate to anyone who’ll listen, and then retire with your 60% pay. Please, it’s on us. Just, you know. STFU.

Sir, I teach in a private high school.
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In that case, madam, you publicly disdain your students and their families, your fellow teachers, and your administration without any protection. You are not only a poor teacher, but a fool as well.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
The really rich irony is that HH is the cosseted pet of his socialist teachers’ union. Thus he can publicly disdain his students and their families, his fellow teachers, and his administration without any of the real-life repercussions any other type of employee would face in like circumstances.

Schools already practice socialism. Especially embarrassing is when comrades are too stupid to see their part in it and sit around pissing and moaning anyway.

So enjoy your posh health benefit package, enjoy your summers and every-goddamn-holiday-on-the-federal-calendar off, put your 25 years in at the job you excoriate to anyone who’ll listen, and then retire with your 60% pay. Please, it’s on us. Just, you know. STFU.

Sir, I teach in a private high school.

In that case, madam, you publicly disdain your students and their families, your fellow teachers, and your administration without any protection. You are not only a poor teacher, but a fool as well.[/quote]

If you are going to insult someone, and then get owned because of your ignorance, do you really think you need to be throwing around terms like “fool” to describe others?

The only fools I see are those jumping on HH’s ass because they were too fucking stupid to ascertain where the fuck he taught first.

That would include you.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
In that case, madam, you publicly disdain your students and their families, your fellow teachers, and your administration without any protection. You are not only a poor teacher, but a fool as well.[/quote]

Some people would call that “conviction” or even “courage”… but, then, I guess if you don’t agree with his opinion, it’s easier to just call it “foolishness”.

Why give any credit at all to somebody with a different opinion from your own, right?

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There also seems to be a lot of ignorance in this thread regarding the assumption that HH was actually being serious.

Again, it was an ANALOGY! I’m quite certain that HH does not intend to implement a policy which he is vehemently opposed to in his classroom.

Also, whenn the hell has posting on a political forum between classes ever equalled brainwashing your students with right wing ideology.

Lot of knee jerk responses here from people who saw HH’s screen name at the top of a new thread.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
RebornTN wrote:

I also know that if you did it to my class, I would simply stop attempting to even do anything in class. For my tests, I would just try to figure out how to make some cool pictures on my scan-tron. I mean, everyone else will just support me, so why should I even try to lead?

That would be funny. It would be like the tenured teachers, not even bothering to pretend they take their jobs seriously.[/quote]

I remember hearing a conversation at school, where a student was falling behind in his studies. The teachers were discussing kicking him out of the class because, “I can’t be expected to stay afterschool and help him, its not my job…”

Because you know, its not the teachers job to teach.

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I don’t call it conviction to do a despised job, wherever it is done. Headhunter continually bemoans his agony in having to tolerate the misery of his job, his career, his field. His sacred mission is to teach what he calls the nearly uneducable, which is his clever way of calling his students profoundly retarded.

Courage? What a joke. Where courage equals continual whining and conviction equals wanting to get at political opponents by screwing with the kids in your care.

Rainjack, you admire HH pretty well, then? Good for you. Because whatever benefit HH gains from teaching, whether a $35K private school salary or a $65K public school salary, it is more than he deserves in my opinion.

If he rants about his job in other areas of his life the way he does here without job security he is a fool.

I continue to wish he’d STFU. However, I am glad that I’m not supporting his ass.

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Holy fucking shit is that pic of Palin in the skirt real of photoshopped?

Dayum.

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Oh, see, I haven’t been following HH around from thread to thread, compiling a list of grievances as you’ve apparently been doing, hence the difference in paradigm.

I was merely referring to the courage and conviction of voicing an opinion without regard to possible retribution or penalty.

But, if you just hate HH, hey, that’s your thing. In my limited knowledge of the guy, he always seemed alright by me.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I don’t call it conviction to do a despised job, wherever it is done. Headhunter continually bemoans his agony in having to tolerate the misery of his job, his career, his field. His sacred mission is to teach what he calls the nearly uneducable, which is his clever way of calling his students profoundly retarded.

Courage? What a joke. Where courage equals continual whining and conviction equals wanting to get at political opponents by screwing with the kids in your care.

Rainjack, you admire HH pretty well, then? Good for you. Because whatever benefit HH gains from teaching, whether a $35K private school salary or a $65K public school salary, it is more than he deserves in my opinion.

If he rants about his job in other areas of his life the way he does here without job security he is a fool.

I continue to wish he’d STFU. However, I am glad that I’m not supporting his ass. [/quote]

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You can well say that Obama’s proposed tax plan is excessive, unfair, and ineffective. But your analogy is flawed.

At the end of the day, I take home more for myself and my famil by working hard and being in the highest tax bracket. Tax hike or no tax hike. I, personally, am better off making more than making less and falling in a lower tax bracket. Everyone is.

Whereas, in your hypothetical, I end up with a C no matter WHAT I do. That’s what real socialism/communism is. It’s not just too high a tax. It’s a cut-off beyond which people cannot reach no matter what they do.

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It sounds like you and HH can be great good friends, then. I wish you both the very best. Your short attention span and/or inability to connect one set of data to another will certainly help to reduce friction in the relationship!

[quote]Norwell Bob wrote:
Oh, see, I haven’t been following HH around from thread to thread, compiling a list of grievances as you’ve apparently been doing, hence the difference in paradigm.

I was merely referring to the courage and conviction of voicing an opinion without regard to possible retribution or penalty.

But, if you just hate HH, hey, that’s your thing. In my limited knowledge of the guy, he always seemed alright by me.

EmilyQ wrote:
I don’t call it conviction to do a despised job, wherever it is done. Headhunter continually bemoans his agony in having to tolerate the misery of his job, his career, his field. His sacred mission is to teach what he calls the nearly uneducable, which is his clever way of calling his students profoundly retarded.

Courage? What a joke. Where courage equals continual whining and conviction equals wanting to get at political opponents by screwing with the kids in your care.

Rainjack, you admire HH pretty well, then? Good for you. Because whatever benefit HH gains from teaching, whether a $35K private school salary or a $65K public school salary, it is more than he deserves in my opinion.

If he rants about his job in other areas of his life the way he does here without job security he is a fool.

I continue to wish he’d STFU. However, I am glad that I’m not supporting his ass.

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[quote]RebornTN wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
RebornTN wrote:

I also know that if you did it to my class, I would simply stop attempting to even do anything in class. For my tests, I would just try to figure out how to make some cool pictures on my scan-tron. I mean, everyone else will just support me, so why should I even try to lead?

That would be funny. It would be like the tenured teachers, not even bothering to pretend they take their jobs seriously.

I remember hearing a conversation at school, where a student was falling behind in his studies. The teachers were discussing kicking him out of the class because, “I can’t be expected to stay afterschool and help him, its not my job…”

Because you know, its not the teachers job to teach.[/quote]

After school? Of course it isn’t. And teachers don’t need to worry about making themselves look good for their bosses; their union takes care of their pay raises for them. They have zero incentives to put in extra hours, especially on students who probably aren’t trying particularly hard.

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[quote]Spry wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Sir, I teach in a private high school.

My apologies.

But to be sure, I’ll ask, are you a member of a teacher’s union?

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Nope.

I work in voluntary agreement with my employer. No money that is forced from helpless victims (Taxes) is in my pay envelope. Therefore, I am proud of every penny I earn. Being very selfish, I can’t accept pay that is simultaneously extortion. My integrity is priceless.

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[quote]RebornTN wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
RebornTN wrote:

I also know that if you did it to my class, I would simply stop attempting to even do anything in class. For my tests, I would just try to figure out how to make some cool pictures on my scan-tron. I mean, everyone else will just support me, so why should I even try to lead?

That would be funny. It would be like the tenured teachers, not even bothering to pretend they take their jobs seriously.

I remember hearing a conversation at school, where a student was falling behind in his studies. The teachers were discussing kicking him out of the class because, “I can’t be expected to stay afterschool and help him, its not my job…”

Because you know, its not the teachers job to teach.[/quote]

We get some teachers like that, but they usually don’t last here. I should mention that I will NOT help someone after school who takes a vacation during the school year. I would certainly spend whatever time necessary if someone is sick or out for a GOOD reason. But, sailing in the Caymans? You’re on your own, Charlie.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

I continue to wish he’d STFU. However, I am glad that I’m not supporting his ass. [/quote]

Can we say ‘Thought Police’?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
tom8658 wrote:
Norwell Bob wrote:
Apology accepted, thanks for stepping up.

Can you summarize in a sentence or two how his analogy is misleading?

I posted this earlier, it pretty much sums up how I feel:

The analogy of grade redistribution to progressive taxation may or may not be apt, I don’t care to argue either way. But calling it Obamanization is misleading: I don’t see McCain calling for a flat tax, ergo McCain supports similar socialist policies (i.e. progressive taxation), ergo McCain is a socialist.

I didn’t post this, but it might make my point clearer:

Supporting one socialist policy does not make a candidate socialist, any more than crossing the aisle on some issues turns Democrats into Republicans. It would be more correct to say that Obama is more socialist than McCain, because he supports more policies that could be viewed as socialist, but then the statement looses it’s shock value, so it’s no longer useful for the campaign. The only candidate who can truly say that he is not at all socialist is the Libertarian, Barr.

I think I ran over the one or two sentence limit.

How can you guys not understand the difference between wealth redistribution and a progressive tax?

No one is bitching about a progressive tax - at least not here. HH’s point is against wealth redistribution.

You do realize that there will be people getting “refunds” who pay no tax whatsoever, right?

If it were truly a progressive tax, the people who owed no tax would pay none, and it would end there. But not with wealth redistribution - the guy who owes no tax gets a fucking check from the government as reward for being a lazy piece of shit.
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I don’t see any difference between being forgiven one’s tax burden and being refunded a small amount of money, either way someone else is making up the difference, the only thing that changes is the size of the difference to be made up.

I also like how certain you are that every last person in the bottom tax bracket is a “lazy piece of shit”. Charming.

However, completely aside from issues of taxation, my point still stands. Social Security and medicare/medicaid are socialist programs, as is any attempt at universal healthcare, even McCain’s proposed $5000 tax credit because when combined with a progressive tax, as the “lazy pieces of shit” in lower brackets receive a larger net credit. That seems to fit your definition of wealth redistribution.

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[quote]tom8658 wrote:
I don’t see any difference between being forgiven one’s tax burden and being refunded a small amount of money, either way someone else is making up the difference, the only thing that changes is the size of the difference to be made up.[/quote]

Unless, you know, we SPEND LESS. -_-

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I also like how certain you are that every last person in the bottom tax bracket is a “lazy piece of shit”. Charming.

However, completely aside from issues of taxation, my point still stands. Social Security and medicare/medicaid are socialist programs, as is any attempt at universal healthcare, even McCain’s proposed $5000 tax credit because when combined with a progressive tax, as the “lazy pieces of shit” in lower brackets receive a larger net credit. That seems to fit your definition of wealth redistribution.[/quote]

And if you haven’t noticed, Mr. McCain isn’t all that popular around here unless you start comparing him to Mr. Obama.

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[quote]Beowolf wrote:
tom8658 wrote:
I don’t see any difference between being forgiven one’s tax burden and being refunded a small amount of money, either way someone else is making up the difference, the only thing that changes is the size of the difference to be made up.

Unless, you know, we SPEND LESS. -_-

I also like how certain you are that every last person in the bottom tax bracket is a “lazy piece of shit”. Charming.

However, completely aside from issues of taxation, my point still stands. Social Security and medicare/medicaid are socialist programs, as is any attempt at universal healthcare, even McCain’s proposed $5000 tax credit because when combined with a progressive tax, as the “lazy pieces of shit” in lower brackets receive a larger net credit. That seems to fit your definition of wealth redistribution.

And if you haven’t noticed, Mr. McCain isn’t all that popular around here unless you start comparing him to Mr. Obama.
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The amount of money spent is a consequence of how the brackets are formed. Conceptually, a progressive tax is always redistributing wealth in the form of unequal tax burden.

And no, I haven’t noticed anything about McCain around here. As a rule, I stay out of the politics forum because it’s just too damn depressing.

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[quote]tom8658 wrote:

I also like how certain you are that every last person in the bottom tax bracket is a “lazy piece of shit”. Charming.
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Those with one hand out, and the other flipping off the people paying for their “refund” most certainly are.

Paying less taxes is not wealth redistribution.

If Obama wanted to raise taxes on the “wealthy”, but eliminate monetary handouts rewarding being poor - I would not be nearly as upset.

But you don’t seem to understand money. Not very many people do.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
tom8658 wrote:

I also like how certain you are that every last person in the bottom tax bracket is a “lazy piece of shit”. Charming.

Those with one hand out, and the other flipping off the people paying for their “refund” most certainly are.

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so is everyone in bottom tax brackets guilty of that? I think that was the premise of his comment.

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Wow, on the offensive much?

You really seem to have a proverbial hard-on for HH… maybe all this anger is just a cover…

Maybe you don’t hate him at all. Maybe you really like him… you know… l-l-l-l-l-l-like him. Rawr.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
It sounds like you and HH can be great good friends, then. I wish you both the very best. Your short attention span and/or inability to connect one set of data to another will certainly help to reduce friction in the relationship!
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