Obama: Most Pro-Abortion Candidate Ever

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]tedro wrote:
So a life with some adversity and hardships is not worth living?
Your post is illogical and ridiculous.
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Oh please. Roe vs. Wade is the single most important factor in the dramatic drop of crime in the 1990s.

Would you rather waste taxpayer’s money sending those kids to prison for their entire lives?

That would be illogical and ridiculous.

Unless you’re willing to adopt all of those unwanted children. In that case, be my guest.

For tens of thousands of years in pre-civilized times, the children would have simply been discarded. A good example is the Inuit in Northern Canada and Russia, and Native Americans for whom infanticide was their primary form of population control. Not to mention the eugenic Spartans.

Thanks to modern science and technology, we can have an early abortion and not have to deal with the horrendous psychological and social consequences of discarding a newborn baby.

Over 99% of the time a woman wants an abortion, it’s for a very good reason. Not the rare, despicable cases of “inconvenience” the blind far-right likes to focus on. Poor, unwed, in her teens, in an abusive relationship, rape, incest and sometimes all of the above. That is the majority of abortion clients.

As a well-to-do, white, middle-class man, I have no right to judge their situation nor interfere in their decision, and neither do you.

It would be ideal if there were no more abortions or infanticides from now until the end of time, but we don’t live in an ideal world and forcing legislation on people to make it that way makes everyone suffer.

ElbowStrike

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[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:

Oh please. Roe vs. Wade is the single most important factor in the dramatic drop of crime in the 1990s.[/quote]

Roe v. Wade was decided in the early 1970s.

Your claim is pure hogwash.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
ElbowStrike wrote:

Oh please. Roe vs. Wade is the single most important factor in the dramatic drop of crime in the 1990s.

Roe v. Wade was decided in the early 1970s.

Your claim is pure hogwash.
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No, he read that in Freakonomics.

They even used statistics, it must be true!

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
ElbowStrike wrote:

Oh please. Roe vs. Wade is the single most important factor in the dramatic drop of crime in the 1990s.

Roe v. Wade was decided in the early 1970s.

Your claim is pure hogwash.
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And how long does it take children born (or not born) in the 1970s to reach their late teens and early twenties, the prime age for males to enter the criminal population?

Your math is pure hogwash.

ElbowStrike

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Since we no longer rely upon the intolerant moral notions of chastity, sanctity of marriage, and self responsiblity, we went and did away with key enforcers of social norms. Like, shame and discrimination.

No, we should never look down upon someone’s lifestyle! We’ve progressed too much for that. Now we just toss out the consequences. Even if that means subsidizing bad behavior, or the killing of an innocent human life in the womb. Our modern sensiblities are so liberating and humane!

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[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:

And how long does it take children born (or not born) in the 1970s to reach their late teens and early twenties, the prime age for males to enter the criminal population?

Your math is pure hogwash.[/quote]

Wait - you are positing that population trends never changed, economics of inner-cities never changed, stepped up law enforcement and its deterrent effects never changed, etc. - but one basic “cause” - deleted human beings - reduced the amount of criminals in a linear fashion enough to be the reason crime went down?

You should learn up on the difference between “cause” and “correlation”.

Enjoy the link, kiddo:

http://www.isteve.com/Freakonomics_Fiasco.htm

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[quote]orion wrote:
tedro wrote:

So now abortion is an economic issue?

It always was.

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An economic as well as an ecological issue–ecological in the original (and correct) biological sense.

Ecology and economics are flip sides of the same coin: whereas ecology studies the distribution of a population in relation to a resource base, economics looks at the distribution of resources among a population.

People have always employed infanticide as a means to keep the population at an optimum size in relation to the available resources.

In 17th-century rural Japan, an infant was killed or abandoned if the council decided that its survival would place an untenable drain on the village’s food reserves and projected agricultural yields. At that time, contraception was not well understood, abortion was risky, and adoption was impractical for villages isolated by mountain and sea.

These days both the economic and technological conditions have changed, but not the motivation for infanticide. An unwanted child no longer threatens the survival of an entire village, but it is perceived as a threat nonetheless to people who are either in, or on the threshold of, poverty.

It is perceived as a threat to a woman with a full clutch of children, and resources stretched thin as it is.

It is perceived as a threat to mothers who already have to work to support their families, and can’t afford the loss of income involved in carrying a child to term.

If a pregnancy can’t be prevented, and the mother chooses not to carry the child to term, it’s likely she has made her choice for ecological reasons: to keep the clutch size optimum for her perceived resources.

Abortion is therefore an ecological and an economic issue.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote: Is a mother allowed to murder her baby when it’s foot is still in the vagina but a father isn’t?

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It is always easier for a mother to murder her baby when a father is not in her vagina.

We love the English language.

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[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
Oh please. Roe vs. Wade is the single most important factor in the dramatic drop of crime in the 1990s.[/quote]

Are you insane? Murdering baby Jesus “the single most important factor in the dramatic drop of crime”? You have no idea what you are talking about.

The single most important factor in fighting crime was Reagan, supply-side economics, his support for the “Freedom Fighters” in Afghanistan, his butchering of Guatemala, Nicaragua, etc…

All hail Reagan the Great!

Geez, don’t they teach you anything in Canadian schools?

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[quote]lixy wrote:

Are you insane? Murdering baby Jesus “the single most important factor in the dramatic drop of crime”? You have no idea what you are talking about.

The single most important factor in fighting crime was Reagan, supply-side economics, his support for the “Freedom Fighters” in Afghanistan, his butchering of Guatemala, Nicaragua, etc…

All hail Reagan the Great!

Geez, don’t they teach you anything in Canadian schools?[/quote]

Lixy takes a thread about abortion and tries to make it about his hatred of American foreign policy.

All too predictable - what is the count of threads where he has tried this up to now?

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im not posting to argue about whether or not abortion is right/wrong morally or legally. first lets be clear. roe v wade will never be overturned so arguing about why it should or should not be legal is pointless in my opinion. thats why my comments will be confined to what America can and should learn from the history of roe v wade and what americans have done with this freedom.

basically the law was originally meant to give women who had been raped the option to abort the baby.