Obama: Most Pro-Abortion Candidate Ever

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[quote]orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
We can have sex ed. right after we have mandated school prayer in the morning.

And here I thought school was a place of learning and not of worship.

I regret not having been a teenager in the US though. Nice Christian girls that save themselves by only having oral and anal sex…

I feel I missed out on something…

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Well, if we’re going to mandate sex education for my kids, I wan’t to mandate prayer time for yours. Or, like you suggest above, let’s keep schools focused on academics.

If only all schools were private institutions. I could put mine in a school focusing on traditional values, academics, and discipline. Others could put theirs in schools teaching them how not to get pregnant while screwing, how to drink responsibly if they must drink, and where/how to get clean needles if they happen to use IV drugs.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
We can have sex ed. right after we have mandated school prayer in the morning.

And here I thought school was a place of learning and not of worship.

I regret not having been a teenager in the US though. Nice Christian girls that save themselves by only having oral and anal sex…

I feel I missed out on something…

Well, if we’re going to mandate sex education for my kids, I wan’t to mandate prayer time for yours. Or, like you suggest above, let’s keep schools focused on academics.

If only all schools were private institutions. I could put mine in a school focusing on traditional values, academics, and discipline. Others could put theirs in schools teaching them how not to get pregnant while screwing, how to drink responsibly if they must drink, and where/how to get clean needles if they happen to use IV drugs. [/quote]

You know how traditionally had and probably has the best sex education in Germany and Austria?

Schools that are run by catholic nuns.

They do not preach, they do not judge, they educate.

Not that I think schools should be run by the government in the first place but no school would get my money that does not teach such a central part of human life.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
We can have sex ed. right after we have mandated school prayer in the morning.

And here I thought school was a place of learning and not of worship.

I regret not having been a teenager in the US though. Nice Christian girls that save themselves by only having oral and anal sex…

I feel I missed out on something…

Well, if we’re going to mandate sex education for my kids, I wan’t to mandate prayer time for yours. Or, like you suggest above, let’s keep schools focused on academics.

If only all schools were private institutions. I could put mine in a school focusing on traditional values, academics, and discipline. Others could put theirs in schools teaching them how not to get pregnant while screwing, how to drink responsibly if they must drink, and where/how to get clean needles if they happen to use IV drugs.

You know how traditionally had and probably has the best sex education in Germany and Austria?

Schools that are run by catholic nuns.

They do not preach, they do not judge, they educate.

Not that I think schools should be run by the government in the first place but no school would get my money that does not teach such a central part of human life.
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I’m not objecting to “sex education” within the context of teaching anatomy and physiology. If that’ what you’re talking about. If you’re talking about passing out condomns, discussions on dry humping, “Heather has two mommies,” ect…I certainly would withhold my dollars from such a school.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Well, if we’re going to mandate sex education for my kids, I wan’t to mandate prayer time for yours. Or, like you suggest above, let’s keep schools focused on academics. [/quote]

Good thinking. Remove sports from American schools.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Well, if we’re going to mandate sex education for my kids, I wan’t to mandate prayer time for yours. Or, like you suggest above, let’s keep schools focused on academics.

Good thinking. Remove sports from American schools.[/quote]

If that’s the kind of school you want to send your child to, sure.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
If that’s the kind of school you want to send your child to, sure. [/quote]

It’s sarcasm.

As if Americans weren’t fat already…

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
If that’s the kind of school you want to send your child to, sure.

It’s sarcasm.

As if Americans weren’t fat already…[/quote]

As if it was the governments job to change that.

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[quote]orion wrote:
As if it was the governments job to change that.
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Who said anything about government? I’m arguing that schools aren’t just for academics.

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Luckily, abortions are becoming more rare:

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[quote]orion wrote:
I am very much pro choice but at some time, and that time comes when the baby is outside your body and living and breathing on its own its no longer abortion isn´t it?
[/quote]

Exactly!

That’s about the time I argue that abortion should be illegal. If you can’t make up your mind in the first or second trimester it’s too late.

ElbowStrike

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[quote]orion wrote:
You know how traditionally had and probably has the best sex education in Germany and Austria?

Schools that are run by catholic nuns.

They do not preach, they do not judge, they educate.

Not that I think schools should be run by the government in the first place but no school would get my money that does not teach such a central part of human life.
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Sex EDUCATION is the best IMO, not “sex indoctrination” where a definitive agenda is being pushed on the kids. Kids are smart and can pick up on that. They’ll completely shut down in the face of an “abstinence-only” sex education.

I want to know how the Swedish schools teach sex education. Apparently Swedish students get the most hours of sex education and their youth have their first sexual experience later in life and with fewer partners than any other country in the developed world.

Contrast that with areas of the USA where there is no sex ed or just “abstinence-only” sex education and you get the highest rates of teenage pregnancy outside of Tanzania.

No sex education for teens is like depriving them of gun education, then handing them all revolvers to experiment with: a recipe for disaster.

ElbowStrike

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You’re all getting hysterical. If you’ll just calm down, you’ll realize that any person doesn’t actually have the “right” to life until they start paying taxes, i.e. benefiting the collective. So Obama is correct, the only way we can really protect a woman’s right to privacy is to allow her to kill her “child” (fetus/symbiote/zygote/parasite/wad of cells) right up until it starts working or, more likely, collecting welfare.
Democrats FTW.

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[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
orion wrote:
I am very much pro choice but at some time, and that time comes when the baby is outside your body and living and breathing on its own its no longer abortion isn´t it?

Exactly!

That’s about the time I argue that abortion should be illegal. If you can’t make up your mind in the first or second trimester it’s too late.

ElbowStrike[/quote]

First tri-mester only for me. You wait that long, it isn’t an emergency. It shouldn’t take you three months to see if you can economically afford a child, or if said child would destroy your life.

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[quote]Beowolf wrote:
ElbowStrike wrote:
orion wrote:
I am very much pro choice but at some time, and that time comes when the baby is outside your body and living and breathing on its own its no longer abortion isn´t it?

Exactly!

That’s about the time I argue that abortion should be illegal. If you can’t make up your mind in the first or second trimester it’s too late.

ElbowStrike

First tri-mester only for me. You wait that long, it isn’t an emergency. It shouldn’t take you three months to see if you can economically afford a child, or if said child would destroy your life.[/quote]

So now abortion is an economic issue?

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[quote]tedro wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
ElbowStrike wrote:
orion wrote:
I am very much pro choice but at some time, and that time comes when the baby is outside your body and living and breathing on its own its no longer abortion isn´t it?

Exactly!

That’s about the time I argue that abortion should be illegal. If you can’t make up your mind in the first or second trimester it’s too late.

ElbowStrike

First tri-mester only for me. You wait that long, it isn’t an emergency. It shouldn’t take you three months to see if you can economically afford a child, or if said child would destroy your life.

So now abortion is an economic issue?[/quote]

Well… yeah. Young (as in 15 young), minority, unwed girl gets pregnant. If she aborts, she has a chance at economic mobility. If she keeps the baby, her life is basically over. The kid will grow up in a shitty, poor household completely unready for him/her. It is likely they will join a gang or sell drugs for money.

That’s the situation where I believe abortion is an option.

If it’s not going to end your life, I don’t believe it should be used.

From a legal standpoint, a think a single trimester is quite enough to determine whether or not the child will be brought up in a ready and appropriate household.

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[quote]tedro wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
ElbowStrike wrote:
orion wrote:
I am very much pro choice but at some time, and that time comes when the baby is outside your body and living and breathing on its own its no longer abortion isn´t it?

Exactly!

That’s about the time I argue that abortion should be illegal. If you can’t make up your mind in the first or second trimester it’s too late.

ElbowStrike

First tri-mester only for me. You wait that long, it isn’t an emergency. It shouldn’t take you three months to see if you can economically afford a child, or if said child would destroy your life.

So now abortion is an economic issue?[/quote]

It always was.

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[quote]Beowolf wrote:
tedro wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
ElbowStrike wrote:
orion wrote:
I am very much pro choice but at some time, and that time comes when the baby is outside your body and living and breathing on its own its no longer abortion isn´t it?

Exactly!

That’s about the time I argue that abortion should be illegal. If you can’t make up your mind in the first or second trimester it’s too late.

ElbowStrike

First tri-mester only for me. You wait that long, it isn’t an emergency. It shouldn’t take you three months to see if you can economically afford a child, or if said child would destroy your life.

So now abortion is an economic issue?

Well… yeah. Young (as in 15 young), minority, unwed girl gets pregnant. If she aborts, she has a chance at economic mobility. If she keeps the baby, her life is basically over. The kid will grow up in a shitty, poor household completely unready for him/her. It is likely they will join a gang or sell drugs for money.

That’s the situation where I believe abortion is an option.

If it’s not going to end your life, I don’t believe it should be used.

From a legal standpoint, a think a single trimester is quite enough to determine whether or not the child will be brought up in a ready and appropriate household.[/quote]

So a life with some adversity and hardships is not worth living?

Your post is illogical and ridiculous.

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[quote]orion wrote:
tedro wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
ElbowStrike wrote:
orion wrote:
I am very much pro choice but at some time, and that time comes when the baby is outside your body and living and breathing on its own its no longer abortion isn´t it?

Exactly!

That’s about the time I argue that abortion should be illegal. If you can’t make up your mind in the first or second trimester it’s too late.

ElbowStrike

First tri-mester only for me. You wait that long, it isn’t an emergency. It shouldn’t take you three months to see if you can economically afford a child, or if said child would destroy your life.

So now abortion is an economic issue?

It always was.

[/quote]

Then we should be allowed to kill any children that we are unable to care for, especially when ones economic situation worsens after the kid is a few years old. We definitely don’t want anyone growing up and dealing drugs, so we better start killing all three year olds living in bad households.

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[quote]tedro wrote:
orion wrote:
tedro wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
ElbowStrike wrote:
orion wrote:
I am very much pro choice but at some time, and that time comes when the baby is outside your body and living and breathing on its own its no longer abortion isn´t it?

Exactly!

That’s about the time I argue that abortion should be illegal. If you can’t make up your mind in the first or second trimester it’s too late.

ElbowStrike

First tri-mester only for me. You wait that long, it isn’t an emergency. It shouldn’t take you three months to see if you can economically afford a child, or if said child would destroy your life.

So now abortion is an economic issue?

It always was.

Then we should be allowed to kill any children that we are unable to care for, especially when ones economic situation worsens after the kid is a few years old. We definitely don’t want anyone growing up and dealing drugs, so we better start killing all three year olds living in bad households.[/quote]

You wanted to know if abortion suddenly became an economic issue, I said that it always was-

Make of it what you will.

Women of higher social strata will always be able to abort in the Netherlands, or Canada, or wherever else.

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[quote]orion wrote:
tedro wrote:
orion wrote:
tedro wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
ElbowStrike wrote:
orion wrote:
I am very much pro choice but at some time, and that time comes when the baby is outside your body and living and breathing on its own its no longer abortion isn´t it?

Exactly!

That’s about the time I argue that abortion should be illegal. If you can’t make up your mind in the first or second trimester it’s too late.

ElbowStrike

First tri-mester only for me. You wait that long, it isn’t an emergency. It shouldn’t take you three months to see if you can economically afford a child, or if said child would destroy your life.

So now abortion is an economic issue?

It always was.

Then we should be allowed to kill any children that we are unable to care for, especially when ones economic situation worsens after the kid is a few years old. We definitely don’t want anyone growing up and dealing drugs, so we better start killing all three year olds living in bad households.

You wanted to know if abortion suddenly became an economic issue, I said that it always was-

Make of it what you will.

Women of higher social strata will always be able to abort in the Netherlands, or Canada, or wherever else.
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Yes, the decision to abort is frequently made based on economic issues. My point is that the legality of abortion should not have anything to do with economics, it is a philosophical/moral issue. Beowolf seems so think that poor finances are a valid reason to justify the legality of abortion.