Obama: 'Israel Must Restore1967 Borders'

[Rohnyn]

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

I didn’t bother refuting the rest because it’s so ridiculous. Both US and Israeli separate investigations concluded that the USS Liberty was sunk because it was misidentified as an Egyptian warship. I never stated the nation of Syria is 10,000 years-old. I stated it is the most ancient inhabited region on earth with human settlement dating back to at least 10,000BC. That equals 12,000 years not ten. You seem to have comprehension difficulties.

Despite the fact that congress never investigated the incident. Despite the fact that men on the ground at the boat said the Israelis murdered their crewmaters in cool blood. That entire event is chock full of more logical inconsistencies than a Dawson’s creek episode.

FUrther, you still haven’t refuted any of Israel’s other betrayals or backstabs cuz they cannot be justified unless you cover your ears and say la-la-la.

As for Syria having been inhabited 10000 bc, I do not see what that has to do with anything, many reginos in that area were inhabited. UNless you are implying continuuity between those people and modern Syrians, I don’t really get how that relates. If you are, then it only lends credence to the Palestinians.

On the contrary, Palestinians are more HEBREW than all other Jewish groups they carry the J1 Haplo that the Jews use to justify their racehood, and they carry more of it than the dilluted Jewish diaspora.
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Whatever man. Israel destroyed Beirut not the PLO. If you say so. Allahu Akbah.

EDIT: How the fuck would ‘men on the ground’ know the intent and motive of a jet fighter pilot who launches a missile? My statements about Syria were an attempt to correct your assertion that Syria is a neo-Colonial invention. END COMMUNICATION.[/quote]
Men on the ground hit life boats while Israel did everything its power to sink the ship (cover up evidence), then the Israeli fighter jets spun back around and strafed the men in life boats killing them intentionally. Even if it were an Egyptian ship, that violates the most basic principles of the Geneva convention. It is cold blooded murder in ANY situation.

I think Ronald Reagan and the UN might have a little bit of credibility in being appalled at Israel bushwacking the Christian Lebanese finance capital in violation of the limited scope of the war, than you do completley denying that it happened.

Allahu Akbar by the way, and I could care less about that, I don’t support the Muslims or the Jews. YOu’re the one hell bent on Jewish irredentism and hypocrisy.

So Shalom and Good night.

[SexMachine]

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

I didn’t bother refuting the rest because it’s so ridiculous. Both US and Israeli separate investigations concluded that the USS Liberty was sunk because it was misidentified as an Egyptian warship. I never stated the nation of Syria is 10,000 years-old. I stated it is the most ancient inhabited region on earth with human settlement dating back to at least 10,000BC. That equals 12,000 years not ten. You seem to have comprehension difficulties.

Despite the fact that congress never investigated the incident. Despite the fact that men on the ground at the boat said the Israelis murdered their crewmaters in cool blood. That entire event is chock full of more logical inconsistencies than a Dawson’s creek episode.

FUrther, you still haven’t refuted any of Israel’s other betrayals or backstabs cuz they cannot be justified unless you cover your ears and say la-la-la.

As for Syria having been inhabited 10000 bc, I do not see what that has to do with anything, many reginos in that area were inhabited. UNless you are implying continuuity between those people and modern Syrians, I don’t really get how that relates. If you are, then it only lends credence to the Palestinians.

On the contrary, Palestinians are more HEBREW than all other Jewish groups they carry the J1 Haplo that the Jews use to justify their racehood, and they carry more of it than the dilluted Jewish diaspora.
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Whatever man. Israel destroyed Beirut not the PLO. If you say so. Allahu Akbah.

EDIT: How the fuck would ‘men on the ground’ know the intent and motive of a jet fighter pilot who launches a missile? My statements about Syria were an attempt to correct your assertion that Syria is a neo-Colonial invention. END COMMUNICATION.[/quote]
Men on the ground hit life boats while Israel did everything its power to sink the ship (cover up evidence), then the Israeli fighter jets spun back around and strafed the men in life boats killing them intentionally. Even if it were an Egyptian ship, that violates the most basic principles of the Geneva convention. It is cold blooded murder in ANY situation.

I think Ronald Reagan and the UN might have a little bit of credibility in being appalled at Israel bushwacking the Christian Lebanese finance capital in violation of the limited scope of the war, than you do completley denying that it happened.

Allahu Akbar by the way, and I could care less about that, I don’t support the Muslims or the Jews. YOu’re the one hell bent on Jewish irredentism and hypocrisy.

So Shalom and Good night.
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The Israelis did NOT attack life rafts.

Report Date and issued Conclusions:

C.I.A. report June 13, 1967 - no malice; attack a mistake

U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry June 18, 1967 - mistaken identity

Report by Clark Clifford July 18, 1967 - no evidence ship was known to be American

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 1979/1981 - no merit to claims attack was intentional

National Security Agency 1981 - Mistaken identity

House Armed Services Cmtee 1991/1992 - No support for claims attack was intentional

Idiotic statements by former crewman who made these ludicrous allegations against Israel(James Ennes):

‘(Israel’s leaders are) the worst kind of self-centered, amoralistic murderers - worse than the people they sought to flee from(the Nazis)’

‘the fact is Israel would have no enemies if they did not constantly raid their neighbors, steal their land, take their water and kill their children’

Perhaps he’s…oh I don’t know ‘politically biased’?

How much more tax payer dollars do you want spent ‘investigating’ a preposterous conspiracy theory story that makes no fucking sense?

And I think Ronald Reagan was probably more appalled at the suicide truck bombing of US Marine barracks in the Lebanon that killed 241 US servicemen than he was by Israel’s self defensive actions against the PLO. Perhaps he was also appalled at the Hezbollah - the terrorist organistation that has killed more Americans than any other terrorist group in the world prior to Al Qaeda’s emergence.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:
special troops and snipe away those fuckers with rockets. Again I am not an military expert so if that suggestion seemed naive or just batshit idiotic, its because of that.[/quote]

Yeah, the super duper sniper answer. Now I understand.[/quote]

Oh, the super duper smartass comment

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Sometimes, it just isn’t worth the trouble to make a serious response. A sure sign of that is the super duper anti-jihadi sniper team answer, or the arrest-warrant carrying deputy knocking on Hamas and pals’ front door. I understand where you’re coming from now, and will trouble you no further. Carry on.[/quote]

I thougt you liked the snipeteam idea, because you are so good at sniping in short comments here and there without offering anything of substance. Sexmachine, Shifu, tiribulus Cushin to some extent where able to do this, but not you this time. You just wanted to ask retorical questions. And you are the one that cant be troubled with responding in a serious manner. Hop along champ I think there is a abortion debate you can participate in somewhere on this forum, or you could come with your own opinions on the matter.[/quote]

No, seriously, please ignore my entry into this. I’ve no motivation to debate the safety and treatment of the Jews by an Arab muslim majority constrained by a piece of paper in the single nation solution state of Isr…er, Palestine. Maybe others, such as you’ve named, have the patience to discuss such a reality.[/quote]

THis guy has the solution to the whole situation:

http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=80&load=5527

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]garcia1970 wrote:
Why was Israel created again? Can someone give me a 2 min history on that? I’d love to hear the responses.[/quote]

Sure. The Kingdom of Israel was founded in 1020 BC. The tribes united due to the threats from foreign peoples, in particular the Philistines. Jerusalem was established as the capital of Israel around 1000BC under David’s rule.

The so-called Palestinians became a people in 1967 with the help of their Egyptian leader Yasser Arafat and his terrorist organisation the PLO. Around this time they realised that an obscure line in the Qaran referring to Muhammad flying to ‘the farthest mosque’ meant Al Aqsa: A mosque built after Muhammad’s death.[/quote]

Don’t forget the funding of Arafat by the KGB and Ceaucescu. Very big factor, the Marxist-Communist element. That’s also where they got the Communist “liberation” language as distinct from the Islamic liberation words.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Rohnyn wrote:

‘Are Jordanians or Syrians even a profound people? I don’t get why we act like because Palestinians were a part of those countries that they suddenly have no right to inhabit the place they’ve lived continuously for 2000 years.’

• I don’t get it either in that they only claim themselves to have been there for 1000 years and in fact 95% of them are descendants of immigrants who arrived since the 1880’s.

• A profound people? Firstly Jordan was mandated as the Palestinian state. The place for Arabs to live. See how much bigger it is than Israel? Secondly Syria is pretty much the most ancient land in the entire world, being continously inhabited since 10,000BC. Is that ‘profound’ enough for you?

‘Like the recent Neo-Colonial (re)constructions of Jordan or Syria who absorbed a bunch Arab people who got lumped in their borders are some sort of profound ethnic group.’

• Syria is NOT a Neo-Colonial recontruction you dumbfuck. See above. No Arab people were ‘lumped in’ its borders. No Arab people were ‘lumped’ in Jordan’s either.

‘I doubt any of those people during the 40s even identified with being Jordanian and/or Syrian and instead Arab and/or Muslim.’

• You may doubt it but no one on either side who knows anything about it does:

When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian representatives for the Paris Peace Conference, the following resolution was adopted:

We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds.

and

‘In 1937, a local Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, told the Peel Commission, which ultimately suggested the partition of Palestine: "There is no such country [as Palestine]! ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria’

and

‘The representative of the Arab Higher Committee to the United Nations submitted a statement to the General Assembly in May 1947 that said “Palestine was part of the Province of Syria” and that, “politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity.” A few years later, Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, told the Security Council: "It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria’

‘How does supporting Israel help us against Jihadists? Why do we even have Jihadists after us? O ya, Israel. It’s a catrch 22.’

• Really? Every Islamic terrorist group in the world disagrees with you. They claim they want to establish a worldwide caliphate and subjugate the ‘sons of pigs and monkeys’. The origin of modern Jihadism is the writings of Egyptian Islamic Brotherhood’s Sayyid Qutb who developed his ‘theory’ about exterminating Westerners after he visited the United States and saw unmarried men and women dancing together. Are you really this stupid?

‘Oddly, Israel has inflicted as much damage upon us and people of our ethno-cultural group than the Arab Jihadists have.’

• Is this some sort of a joke? How many US civilians has Israel murdered? You sick fuck.

‘So I say, the Israelis are big kids let them fight their own battles.’

• They do. They fought the War of Independence, the Six Day War, Yom Kippur etc entirely alone against enormous odds and won.

‘Sell weapons equally to either side, done.’

• Great idea dumbfuck. I’m sure Iran won’t want to use those weapons against us as the ‘big Satan’ will be forgiven when the ‘little Satan’ has been gassed. You fucking idiot.

‘Except its not going to happen because our gov’t and private economy is dominated by AIPAC and pro-Israel Jews. Even the media is.’

• Funny in that the media is almost entirely anti-Israeli/pro-Palestinian. Funny in that most the Jews in the media are self-loathing left-wing anti-Israeli Jews.

‘Would you be okay with that situation if it were the Palestinians?’

• What situation? Pro-Israeli Palestinians ‘dominating’ the media? Not happy with that no. I think I’ll opt out here. You can continue to embarrass yourself though. No need to respond to the former bullshit you’ve posted and I’ve proved to be bullshit nor the current bullshit I’ve proved to be bullshit. Why don’t you check things before you make an idiot of yourself by claiming Syria to be a ‘neo-Colonial’ invention and Palestinians not claiming to be Syrian in the 1940’s? Don’t you feel incredibly stupid? Learn from this.

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YOu’ve allowed yourself to fall into one of the common traps.
YOu’re conducting an argument based on evidence and carefully-thought out connection between elements of that evidence.

He is rationalising his Israel/Jewhatred.

You’re having a discussion.

He’s campaigning.

Difference.

[SexMachine]

[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]garcia1970 wrote:
Why was Israel created again? Can someone give me a 2 min history on that? I’d love to hear the responses.[/quote]

Sure. The Kingdom of Israel was founded in 1020 BC. The tribes united due to the threats from foreign peoples, in particular the Philistines. Jerusalem was established as the capital of Israel around 1000BC under David’s rule.

The so-called Palestinians became a people in 1967 with the help of their Egyptian leader Yasser Arafat and his terrorist organisation the PLO. Around this time they realised that an obscure line in the Qaran referring to Muhammad flying to ‘the farthest mosque’ meant Al Aqsa: A mosque built after Muhammad’s death.[/quote]

Don’t forget the funding of Arafat by the KGB and Ceaucescu. Very big factor, the Marxist-Communist element. That’s also where they got the Communist “liberation” language as distinct from the Islamic liberation words.
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I also failed to mention that a young Arafat was trained by SS war criminal Otto Skorzeny’s Paladin group. The Paladin group also served as advisers and trainers to the Eygptian army and included the former head of Jewish affairs for the Gestapo in Poland.

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Sex machine,

i’ve just ahd a look at some of Skorzeny’s activities. He helped a bunch of Nazis escape to South America - no wonder there’s so much Israel/Jew hatred there!

I still remember the atmosphere of the generals and the persecution of ordianry argentinians…no details it was so long ago, but I did recall that that domestic terror was facilitated by the Nazis who fled there.

Those Nazis - such givers.

Incidentally, if you ever want to read a kid’s book that has some very moving moments re that issue, it’s a book called Dirty War by Charles H Slaughter.

[SexMachine]

Yes, South America was the place for Nazis to start a new life. The Middle East and Franco’s Spain were also hot spots. The average South American citizen didn’t have much of choice: either Marxism or a military dictatorship trained by and harbouring Nazis. Not that they had much of a say in it.

Skorzeny was an anti-Semitic bastard and he committed a war crime when he wore US uniforms in Normandy but the guy had balls I’ll give him that. He’d participated in over 30 duels before his war service and when he joined the Waffen SS early in the war he was nearly 32 years old. His exploits thereafter sound like a boys’ own adventure story. If you’re interested check out his war memoirs ‘My Commando Operations’. There’s also some good books on an operation he was supposed to lead that never came off - Operation Long Jump. An attempt to assassinate Churchill, FDR and Stalin in Tehran. The advance agents that were parachuted in wore suicide bombs and one of them managed to blow himself up before capture. The Tamil Tigers are often incorrectly credited with the use of the first ‘modern suicide bomb’, however a vest of plastic explosives designed to kill yourself and your targets was actually a Nazi invention.

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EEk! Triple post! Apologies.
Thanks for the suggestion re book, I will check that out and pass it on to a friend
who loves that stuff.

I gather you’re in Australia too, can I recommend a website www.australianislamistmonitor.org.

BTW, would it be OK if I PM’d you re an approaching thugfest?

[SexMachine]

[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:
EEk! Triple post! Apologies.
Thanks for the suggestion re book, I will check that out and pass it on to a friend
who loves that stuff.

I gather you’re in Australia too, can I recommend a website www.australianislamistmonitor.org.

BTW, would it be OK if I PM’d you re an approaching thugfest?[/quote]

I frequent australianislamistmomnitor.org regularly. PM away.