'Obama is a Racist'-Glenn Beck

Bill_Roberts · August 2, 2009, 2:33am

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

There is plenty going on in this country of which I am utterly intolerant. Same with anybody else and it’s ridiculous to claim otherwise. BTW, this isn’t aimed at anybody in particular. I’m just getting whiplash looking back and forth, “you’re intolerant, no… you are” on and on. Every frickin body is.[/quote]

There is a world of difference between, for example, being intolerant to murder vs being intolerant to other people expressing their opinion.

The question should not be whether a person is intolerant of either nothing (never the case) or just “in general,” but what their supposed intolerances are.

Secondly, in the manner that much of the left uses the word “intolerant,” standard usage does not consider these things – for example expressing an opinion that Obama is a racist – to be intolerant.

So one must also consider whether the charge of intolerance, if made, is according to usage of the word as most understand it, or is an attack based and completely dependent on Newspeak.

Growing_Boy · August 2, 2009, 4:29am

I’d love to pecker slap Glenn so hard I’ll knock some teeth out

PB_Crawl · August 2, 2009, 8:35am

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Very good, PB-Crawl.

Perhaps you can share with us some examples of the many past posts by liberals on this forum expressing their horror at negative statements being made on television networks about politicians that they dislike, and their opposition to any such thing being expressed or being allowed by the network to be expressed.

Or if that’s not what you are referring to, if you’re referring to the blood pressure rising, how ominous it was, how it was “outward aggression” and “hate” and so on to express or allow to be expressed a negative opinion of Obama, you’re incorrect that those lines weren’t written by the OP.

Modern day liberals have moved far from the traditional variety, who said and believed “I don’t agree with what he says but I’ll defend to the death his right to say it.”

Not exactly the tone of the OP’s post, was it now.

And on some other posts, don’t recall if they were yours or not: If anyone truly can’t tell the difference between opinion shows and newscasts – as opposed to the possibility that you’re merely pretending that out of enjoying engaging in indignation displays and entertaining yourself with worked-up rage and expressions of hatred against those expressing opinions you don’t agree with – you need to hope that stem cell research will provide the means of supplying you with some quite desperately needed grey matter cells.[/quote]

Youre right, a lot of farther left elements have gotten out of control with their disagreements that turn into gag orders, but to say theyre the only ones is dishonest beyond belief.

i actually flipped by fox tonight and GB was on, i spent a whole 5 minutes watching his piece about acorn and H1N1. He referred to himself as a journalist. And said multiple times things along the line of “other journalists aren’t reporting on this story.”

no one in this thread, or any other thread that i can think of, has ever been confused whether shows like are “entertainment opinions” or newscasts.

the whole discussion was some people thought GB never claimed or made himself out to be a journalist, but he does. He and his network advertise all their opinion shows as being hosted by journalists. As do the other networks. But it would be a far stretch to think any of these guys even resemble journalists.

cute tirade at the end though, not that any of its factual at all.

Gregus · August 2, 2009, 1:41pm

[quote]belligerent wrote:
I think the driving force behind Obama’s political career is black racial advancement.[/quote]

Under the guise of it not being like that.

Bill_Roberts · August 2, 2009, 11:36pm

[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:

And on some other posts, don’t recall if they were yours or not: If anyone truly can’t tell the difference between opinion shows and newscasts – as opposed to the possibility that you’re merely pretending that out of enjoying engaging in indignation displays and entertaining yourself with worked-up rage and expressions of hatred against those expressing opinions you don’t agree with – you need to hope that stem cell research will provide the means of supplying you with some quite desperately needed grey matter cells.

cute tirade at the end though, not that any of its factual at all.[/quote]

An ineffective labelling attempt, referring to the above as a “tirade.” But when no substantive contrary reply is possible, I suppose that sort of thing is all that is left.

You are wrong if you claim that there are not many liberals who cite opinions expressed in opinion shows such as O’Reilly’s or Hannity’s as examples or proof of supposed bias in that network’s news. (If you do acknowledge there are many such, then your “non-factual” response does not follow.)

As for whether a person has to be stupid to be unable to tell the difference, that is a matter of opinion. I believe it takes gross stupidity to be unable to tell the difference between newscasts and opinion shows, or between newscasters and opinion commentators or guests being interviewed for opinion. Your view may vary: perhaps you think people can be intelligent and still be unable to tell the difference. That would still, if that is your opinion, not make my reply unfactual.

As to the relevance: If Britt Hume inserts into his news reporting that according to him Obama is a racist, then not because of reasons of freedom of expression or denying it, but for reasons of what is proper in news reporting – the job is to report what others are saying and doing, not to inject one’s own opinions: those belong in editorials or opinion commentaries – extreme objection to Hume’s doing that would be appropriate. I wouldn’t have criticized the OP’s post had it been in response to such an opinion being worked in by a newscaster in his presentation of the news.

When a non-newsman, non-journalist, opinion commentator such as Beck says it on the air as his opinion, then that falls completely under whether people are allowed to express their opinions, even if the opinion is disliked by many, or whether existence of dislike of the opinion – whether by many, the powerful, or by some group that wants to dictate what speech is permissible – is reason enough to prohibit them from saying it or to result in severe consequences such as firing.

However to a person so severely lacking in grey matter that they can’t tell the difference between opinion shows and newscasts, then it’s all the same to them and they just can’t grasp how anyone could possibly disagree that Beck’s opinion shouldn’t have been allowed to be expressed on the air.

pittbulll · August 2, 2009, 11:49pm

[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
I’d love to pecker slap Glenn so hard I’ll knock some teeth out[/quote]

I would donate to that cause

Gambit_Lost · August 2, 2009, 8:08pm

[quote]Gregus wrote:
belligerent wrote:
I think the driving force behind Obama’s political career is black racial advancement.

Under the guise of it not being like that. [/quote]

It’s a conspiracy.

kodiak82 · August 2, 2009, 10:31pm

this is my first post on this forum, hello to every one. Back to the topic on hand. Those who want to attack a man because, he says MR. HUSSEIN is a racist . These scum are from very liberal regions. The west coast and north east, you pigs speak of free speech and then attack people, when they don’t follow your agenda. I don’t like your views, values or beliefs. I and many other men and women, have a growing feeling. That a UNION with people like you is no longer in the best interests, of our families or ourselves. Our divisions will keep growing and become more pronounced over time. Mr.Barack Hussein Obama’s election is symptom of a scared and morally weakened people. I fear one day, this will climax into a Fort Sumter.

dtheyer · August 2, 2009, 11:23pm

[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
this is my first post on this forum, hello to every one. Back to the topic on hand. Those who want to attack a man because, he says MR. HUSSEIN is a racist . These scum are from very liberal regions. The west coast and north east, you pigs speak of free speech and then attack people, when they don’t follow your agenda. I don’t like your views, values or beliefs. I and many other men and women, have a growing feeling. That a UNION with people like you is no longer in the best interests, of our families or ourselves. Our divisions will keep growing and become more pronounced over time. Mr.Barack Hussein Obama’s election is symptom of a scared and morally weakened people. I fear one day, this will climax into a Fort Sumter.

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God damn, this internet thing is comedy gold.

Gambit_Lost · August 2, 2009, 11:58pm

[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
this is my first post on this forum, hello to every one. Back to the topic on hand. Those who want to attack a man because, he says MR. HUSSEIN is a racist . These scum are from very liberal regions. The west coast and north east, you pigs speak of free speech and then attack people, when they don’t follow your agenda. I don’t like your views, values or beliefs. I and many other men and women, have a growing feeling. That a UNION with people like you is no longer in the best interests, of our families or ourselves. Our divisions will keep growing and become more pronounced over time. Mr.Barack Hussein Obama’s election is symptom of a scared and morally weakened people. I fear one day, this will climax into a Fort Sumter.

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Perfect first post. You’ll fit in well here.

Tiribulus · August 3, 2009, 12:42am

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:

There is plenty going on in this country of which I am utterly intolerant. Same with anybody else and it’s ridiculous to claim otherwise. BTW, this isn’t aimed at anybody in particular. I’m just getting whiplash looking back and forth, “you’re intolerant, no… you are” on and on. Every frickin body is.

There is a world of difference between, for example, being intolerant to murder vs being intolerant to other people expressing their opinion.

The question should not be whether a person is intolerant of either nothing (never the case) or just “in general,” but what their supposed intolerances are.

Secondly, in the manner that much of the left uses the word “intolerant,” standard usage does not consider these things – for example expressing an opinion that Obama is a racist – to be intolerant.

So one must also consider whether the charge of intolerance, if made, is according to usage of the word as most understand it, or is an attack based and completely dependent on Newspeak.
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I do not nor will I ever recognize as legitimate the marriage of people of the same sex.

I do not nor will I ever concede the termination of a human life in the name of convenience as “the right to choose”.

I do not nor will I ever recognize all competing ideologies represented by contemporary politicians as equally American and worthy of consideration.

I do not nor will I ever also concede that all competing religions are compatible with American culture as defined by even the fairly wide path set at our founding.

I do not view it as incumbent upon the United States to contort and abuse herself in an effort to accommodate every culture that somebody decides to import.

I do not nor will I ever accept the right of any person, regardless of what color or where from, to live in my country while having violated her borders illegally.

I also do not nor will I ever support the denial of citizenship to any person, regardless of what color or where from, provided they participate in my country without turning her into theirs.

I would never support the prevention of any of the above views from being expressed, but these among others have been settled for me for a very long time and I do not tolerate them in the sense of viewing them as legitimate.

As soon as the predictable liberal rebuttals begin they will be by definition expressing their intolerance for what they will call my intolerance. I admit mine, they won’t theirs.

orion · August 3, 2009, 12:59am

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Tiribulus wrote: