[quote]dmaddox wrote:
I am just worried that this trial will be put on tv for the whole world to see. Then it will become a circus and you know the accused will spout his Muslim beliefs all over the place. Why does Obama placate to the Islamist extremests?[/quote]
No cameras in the courtroom in federal court. But the trials should be public, not conducted in Kafka-esque secrecy. [/quote]
People should be allowed in the room, but that is it. No cameras would be great.[/quote]
That’s exactly how it works. No cameras, and, other than the official court reporter, no audio recording devices. [/quote]
Is that how we get those great artistic renderings of the proceedings? Don’t they allow people/reporters in based on some sort of Lottery? Hopefully we get a balanced journalistic sample.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
I am just worried that this trial will be put on tv for the whole world to see. Then it will become a circus and you know the accused will spout his Muslim beliefs all over the place. Why does Obama placate to the Islamist extremests?[/quote]
No cameras in the courtroom in federal court. But the trials should be public, not conducted in Kafka-esque secrecy. [/quote]
People should be allowed in the room, but that is it. No cameras would be great.[/quote]
That’s exactly how it works. No cameras, and, other than the official court reporter, no audio recording devices. [/quote]
Hopefully we get a balanced journalistic sample.[/quote]
I seldom actually LOL…but that did it.
This is going to be a recruitment drive for extremest muslims…this cannot possibly end well.
Oops, I stand corrected. Apparently some federal courts are letting cameras in on a test basis. I wasn’t aware of this, but it doesn’t look like it is many of them.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
A few words about civilians courts…Casey Anthony and OJ Simpson.
You do not want the collective stupidity of the uninformed public deciding the fate of people highly responsible for terrorism. [/quote]
Bullshit state courts are not the same as U.S. District Court. The judge I clerked for would have tried the OJ case in two weeks or less and if the lawyers tried pulling any bullshit he would have had them sitting in jail on contempt charges.
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You are located in the 9th Circuit, as am I, which is the most often overturned court in the land.
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I clerked in the 5th Circuit.
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Then there is hope, the 9th Circuit is known to be a circus more than anything else.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
I am just worried that this trial will be put on tv for the whole world to see. Then it will become a circus and you know the accused will spout his Muslim beliefs all over the place. Why does Obama placate to the Islamist extremests?[/quote]
No cameras in the courtroom in federal court. But the trials should be public, not conducted in Kafka-esque secrecy. [/quote]
People should be allowed in the room, but that is it. No cameras would be great.[/quote]
That’s exactly how it works. No cameras, and, other than the official court reporter, no audio recording devices. [/quote]
Hopefully we get a balanced journalistic sample.[/quote]
I seldom actually LOL…but that did it.
This is going to be a recruitment drive for extremest muslims…this cannot possibly end well.[/quote]
I was aiming for a joke on that one.
I hope we are wrong, but I just can not think it will end misserably. Sharia Law for all!!! It is going to be a mad house. “I only submit to the Law of Allah, and not to your infidel pig, devil laws. I am a martyr for the faith. I need my gazillion virgins.”
I hope we are wrong, but I just can not think it will end misserably. Sharia Law for all!!! It is going to be a mad house. “I only submit to the Law of Allah, and not to your infidel pig, devil laws. I am a martyr for the faith. I need my gazillion virgins.” [/quote]
He can say that, but the lasting image will be of a defeated clown: clothed, fed, and led around by his captors like a bearded infant, prostrate before us. There is nothing as unmanly and humiliating as incarceration. “Time for your PB&J little Timmy.”
Actually there is one thing more humiliating: to be shown mercy by your enemies. This guy will end up getting both.
I hope we are wrong, but I just can not think it will end misserably. Sharia Law for all!!! It is going to be a mad house. “I only submit to the Law of Allah, and not to your infidel pig, devil laws. I am a martyr for the faith. I need my gazillion virgins.” [/quote]
He can say that, but the lasting image will be of a defeated clown: clothed, fed, and led around by his captors like a bearded infant, prostrate before us. There is nothing as unmanly and humiliating as incarceration. “Time for your PB&J little Timmy.”
Actually there is one thing more humiliating: to be shown mercy by your enemies. This guy will end up getting both.[/quote]
I think they should shave his beard, take his clothes off, and beat him with shoes.
I hope we are wrong, but I just can not think it will end misserably. Sharia Law for all!!! It is going to be a mad house. “I only submit to the Law of Allah, and not to your infidel pig, devil laws. I am a martyr for the faith. I need my gazillion virgins.” [/quote]
He can say that, but the lasting image will be of a defeated clown: clothed, fed, and led around by his captors like a bearded infant, prostrate before us. There is nothing as unmanly and humiliating as incarceration. “Time for your PB&J little Timmy.”
Actually there is one thing more humiliating: to be shown mercy by your enemies. This guy will end up getting both.[/quote]
I think they should shave his beard, take his clothes off, and beat him with shoes.
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Talk about a terrorist recruiting tool.
Though of course the impulse is there for all of us. Especially here in NY.
I hope we are wrong, but I just can not think it will end misserably. Sharia Law for all!!! It is going to be a mad house. “I only submit to the Law of Allah, and not to your infidel pig, devil laws. I am a martyr for the faith. I need my gazillion virgins.” [/quote]
He can say that, but the lasting image will be of a defeated clown: clothed, fed, and led around by his captors like a bearded infant, prostrate before us. There is nothing as unmanly and humiliating as incarceration. “Time for your PB&J little Timmy.”
Actually there is one thing more humiliating: to be shown mercy by your enemies. This guy will end up getting both.[/quote]
I think they should shave his beard, take his clothes off, and beat him with shoes.
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Talk about a terrorist recruiting tool.
Though of course the impulse is there for all of us. Especially here in NY.[/quote]
I’m coming to NYC for the first time in my life this Summer. I am doing a Mission Trip with my church in the areas hit by Sandy, mostly in Middletown, NJ. I am excited to see NYC, and help people that need help.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
One reason to try terrorists in civilian court is because that is what they are: civilian criminals. They are not members of a state sponsored military and are not “warriors” entitled to Geneva protections, which is what they are entitled to if you consider them warriors and try them in a military tribunal…
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Sorry, Jack, this doesn’t wash. If it did every Nazi or Japanese or North Korean or North Vietnamese or Iraqi civilian spy captured on or near the battlefront, for instance, would’ve had to have been dragged across the Pacific or Atlantic Oceans to stand trial in the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.
It doesn’t work that way and never has.
Whether or not al Qaeda signed the Geneva Convention or not is irrelevant.
We’ve been over this many times here and a national consensus backed by court decisions, for the most part, has been established. Let it go, your argument has no traction and will not gain any unless the Bam Admin does stupid things like this to re-enable it.
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Whatever “forum” a person is tried in has to comply with basic fairness standards–another name for due process–and I think this is especially important for persons charge with serious and heinous crimes. Seriously, do you think the bullshit going in at Gitmo meets basic fairness standards? I don’t have a problem with alternate forums, but the forum–wherever located–needs to have basic procedural protections in place to ensure a fair process. I don’t see why people think that federal courts or a fair process are a bad thing that would result in bad outcomes. Bad outcomes happen more frequently when the process is rigged, not the other way around.
Also, I think this Article addresses the “spies and traitors” issue and the fairness of ad-hoc, in the field military tribunals, which should only be used out of absolute necessity.
I hope we are wrong, but I just can not think it will end misserably. Sharia Law for all!!! It is going to be a mad house. “I only submit to the Law of Allah, and not to your infidel pig, devil laws. I am a martyr for the faith. I need my gazillion virgins.” [/quote]
He can say that, but the lasting image will be of a defeated clown: clothed, fed, and led around by his captors like a bearded infant, prostrate before us. There is nothing as unmanly and humiliating as incarceration. “Time for your PB&J little Timmy.”
Actually there is one thing more humiliating: to be shown mercy by your enemies. This guy will end up getting both.[/quote]
I think they should shave his beard, take his clothes off, and beat him with shoes.
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Talk about a terrorist recruiting tool.
Though of course the impulse is there for all of us. Especially here in NY.[/quote]
I’m coming to NYC for the first time in my life this Summer. I am doing a Mission Trip with my church in the areas hit by Sandy, mostly in Middletown, NJ. I am excited to see NYC, and help people that need help.[/quote]
Awesome. And enjoy NYC–to visit, it’s one of the best places in the world.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
One reason to try terrorists in civilian court is because that is what they are: civilian criminals. They are not members of a state sponsored military and are not “warriors” entitled to Geneva protections, which is what they are entitled to if you consider them warriors and try them in a military tribunal…
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Sorry, Jack, this doesn’t wash. If it did every Nazi or Japanese or North Korean or North Vietnamese or Iraqi civilian spy captured on or near the battlefront, for instance, would’ve had to have been dragged across the Pacific or Atlantic Oceans to stand trial in the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.
It doesn’t work that way and never has.
Whether or not al Qaeda signed the Geneva Convention or not is irrelevant.
We’ve been over this many times here and a national consensus backed by court decisions, for the most part, has been established. Let it go, your argument has no traction and will not gain any unless the Bam Admin does stupid things like this to re-enable it.
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Whatever “forum” a person is tried in has to comply with basic fairness standards–another name for due process–and I think this is especially important for persons charge with serious and heinous crimes…
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The implicit message in your post is that military tribunals do not comply with basic fairness standards/due process. That is strange and a brand new concept to our legal system.
It would also cast a huge shadow on all military trials that have gone on for generations. What new nugget of revelation that you’ve panned in your Utopia Creek can you show us?[/quote]
That’s not what I’m saying, at least not in all or even most cases, but I am saying the process at Gitmo doesn’t meet basic standards of fairness and openess. Are you saying that it does? And if its too inconvenient to fly them into the states for a trial, why isn’t it too inconvenient to fly them to Cuba? If the feds raided your house and seized guns, do you think the process at Gitmo would get you a fair and impartial and open trial?
This is a thoroughly fatigued tactic of delusion. Good thing the US military didn’t buy into this in the Pacific Campaign in WWII. We’d have never made it past Guadalcanal in the fear that more Japanese would be recruited to resist the Yankees on their way to Nippon.
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Look at what I was responding to and tell me if you think it’d be just fine.
Not that it really matters, I’m not for due process because of how it looks to terrorists. I’m for it because how it looks to us.
This is a thoroughly fatigued tactic of delusion. Good thing the US military didn’t buy into this in the Pacific Campaign in WWII. We’d have never made it past Guadalcanal in the fear that more Japanese would be recruited to resist the Yankees on their way to Nippon.
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