Obama Border Fence

orion · May 12, 2009, 10:51pm

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Mhatch wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
It won’t happen.

Why the fuck would I hire two college kids who are lazy as shit when I could hire one Mexican, have him work like a bastard, and pay him less than the whiny college kids? Plus, Mexicans, the Portugese, etc. are often very experienced and damn good at what they do.

Doesn’t make business sense.

FUCKING A! Finally someone that sees this as well. In any trade, business, etc a Mexican, Salvadorian, Guatemalan, etc will work any pansy ass college boy under the table for less money and no motherfucking lip. Example: “It’s too heavy” the piece of shit told me carrying one 20ft stick of 2x4 D. fir DRY! While Pedro and my muchachos were carrying 2-4 at one time merrily singing corridos. I told that fucker to get the fuck off my jobsite before I threw him of the roof and said it was an accident. The true blue collar American is a dying breed. The “Getir Done” boys. I’ve had the honor of working along side both these breeds of men and grew to trust them with my life. Send me a fucking heavy fee, I’ll shred the paper and say I never got it.

Drive on up to the jobsite, and I’ll show you that all of them are on payroll. All it takes is a couple to spoil it for the rest. I won’t say that all illegal immigrants are good hard working disadvantaged people. Some of them merely don’t give a fuck and rob, deal, etc. They have no place here in the union as they offer nothing. The immigration issue in the USA is a very difficult one to resolve. I hope that Obama is the one that resolves it once and for all. I don’t vote, so all you right wingers don’t jump on my shit for hoping the man well in doing his job. Fuck the retarded puppet we had in office for 8 years and fuck the geriatric replacement they were offering.

-GB

I am a Contactor here in Az. The Illegal immigration issue is a blister on the ass of the working man. I know a lot of good Mexican people, some legal and some not. The illegal element drives down wages considerably, these people do not carry Insurance, they do not file for appropriate permits nor do they pay taxes. Now for some one that has to do all those things. They can make more money and charge the customer less. . It is bad for business. I know a lot of capable craftsman from Mexico. But over all there work is shoddy. Go to Mexico and see for your self. Nothing is ever completed; as soon as it is functional it is done. I will say one of the best tile setters I have seen is Mexican. The best wood workers are from Eastern Europe

Exactly. I don’t know about you all, but I would rather illegals stay in Mexico and fix their own country rather than lowering our standard of living. Especially given the exodus of manufacturing jobs that have left the U.S. since NAFTA was enacted.

You are preaching to the choir[/quote]

Wrong, so wrong, so terribly wrong.

The more you shut yourselves off, the harder it will get.

MaximusB · May 12, 2009, 11:15pm

What I think is absolutely hilarious is when Illegal Mexican protesters who want citizenship, amnesty, and rights are waving a MEXICAN flag. Not an American flag. As far as California goes, should the state get rid of the illegals, it would solve the budget problem right there. Illegals are a burden and a nuisance who milk the system. I wish we had someone with some balls to handle this issue properly.

Mhatch · May 13, 2009, 12:02am

[quote]orion wrote:

Wrong, so wrong, so terribly wrong.

The more you shut yourselves off, the harder it will get.

[/quote]

We are turning into a consumer society more so every year. For the most part we import more than we export. I’m not saying go isolationist, but damn can we keep this trend up?

dhickey · May 13, 2009, 12:34am

[quote]orion wrote:

Wrong, so wrong, so terribly wrong.

The more you shut yourselves off, the harder it will get.

[/quote]

Well, we have two choices. Shut down the boarder and only let in those that will be net contributors, or get rid of welfare programs, free health care, free or subsidized education, mandates and regulation on legal business owners, etc, ect.

I would opt for the later but that is much less likely to happen. So close the boarders it is.

MaximusB · May 13, 2009, 1:23am

I believe that you need to contribute to the system to get any benefit from it. There is a story here in LA right now, where an illegal alien was released from jail early and killed an innocent kid in a shooting. It’s a sad story because the illegal could care less.

archiewhittaker · May 13, 2009, 5:24am

[quote]BetaBerry wrote:

I agree with the tax them like everyone else part, but the legalizing gets tricky. How do you go around that? The total cost for an immigrant visa, done legally, is gonna be anywhere between $2 - 4k. So how would you do it, just make it free for the illegals that are here already? Sounds extremely unfair to me. Or charge them an equivalent amount, in which case most of them wouldn’t have the money and would remain illegal.[/quote]

Between $2 - 4K???!
I hope you meant that this is the cost for an immigration lawyer working for you, because it sure as hell doesn’t cost that much to just come over (student, entertainer, turist visa). If it did cost that much, legal immigration would be non-existent. I would not be here.

jawara · May 13, 2009, 1:36am

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I understand, I have been here 26 years. I personally think the cheapest way to handle the problem is fine the empoyres . That fense will be expensive to build and expensive to maintain[/quote]

Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t business’ that hire illegals supposed to fined? I so we just need to enforce the current immigration laws.

Growing_Boy · May 13, 2009, 1:40am

[quote]archiewhittaker wrote:
BetaBerry wrote:

I agree with the tax them like everyone else part, but the legalizing gets tricky. How do you go around that? The total cost for an immigrant visa, done legally, is gonna be anywhere between $2 - 4k. So how would you do it, just make it free for the illegals that are here already? Sounds extremely unfair to me. Or charge them an equivalent amount, in which case most of them wouldn’t have the money and would remain illegal.

Between $2 - 4K???!
I hope you meant that this is the cost for an immigration lawyer working for you, because it sure as hell doesn’t cost that much to just come over (student, entertainer, turist visa). If it did cost that much, legal immigration would be non-existent. I would not be here.

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I missed that one. Yeah, certain associates of mine that decided to go become part of the honorable union paid dearly with ass. $5-7k for a decent immigration attorney, $5-8k in “I’m going to fuck you in the ass just because” fee on behalf of the United States of America, and whatever costs came from them leaving work etc to go to the hearings. They both had over 4 years of evidence that they were paying taxes and that didn’t spare them the cock in fees and penalties.

Growing_Boy · May 13, 2009, 1:42am

[quote]jawara wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
I understand, I have been here 26 years. I personally think the cheapest way to handle the problem is fine the empoyres . That fense will be expensive to build and expensive to maintain

Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t business’ that hire illegals supposed to fined? I so we just need to enforce the current immigration laws.[/quote]

The laws are as loose as a hooker on special down in TJ.

anon31651765 · May 13, 2009, 2:01am

[quote]dhickey wrote:
orion wrote:

Wrong, so wrong, so terribly wrong.

The more you shut yourselves off, the harder it will get.

Well, we have two choices. Shut down the boarder and only let in those that will be net contributors, or get rid of welfare programs, free health care, free or subsidized education, mandates and regulation on legal business owners, etc, ect.

I would opt for the later but that is much less likely to happen. So close the boarders it is.[/quote]

Right. Because there’s no middle ground in your second option. Anywhere. At all. Obviously.

Sloth · May 13, 2009, 2:05am

Hire them to build the fence. See? And I didn’t even ask for a consulting fee.

streamline · May 13, 2009, 2:09am

It’s a “Catch 22”. If there was a successful stoppage of illegal immigrants. Then there would be a huge out cry as the price of produce goes through the roof. I’m sure there is a solution but this has been going on for so long the corruption must be huge by now. If you want the answer follow the money.

dhickey · May 13, 2009, 2:12am

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
dhickey wrote:
orion wrote:

Wrong, so wrong, so terribly wrong.

The more you shut yourselves off, the harder it will get.

Well, we have two choices. Shut down the boarder and only let in those that will be net contributors, or get rid of welfare programs, free health care, free or subsidized education, mandates and regulation on legal business owners, etc, ect.

I would opt for the later but that is much less likely to happen. So close the boarders it is.

Right. Because there’s no middle ground in your second option. Anywhere. At all. Obviously.[/quote]

Well please enlighten us with your wonder logic. What’s the middle ground? They have to get to the point where they are not net benificiaries. That’s a big fucking gap right now.

We cannot support the current policy with net beneficiaries we have right now.

Black market labor is unfair to those that do abide by the rules.

dhickey · May 13, 2009, 2:17am

[quote]streamline wrote:
It’s a “Catch 22”. If there was a successful stoppage of illegal immigrants. Then there would be a huge out cry as the price of produce goes through the roof. I’m sure there is a solution but this has been going on for so long the corruption must be huge by now. If you want the answer follow the money.[/quote]

There would be a huge outcry but it wouldn’t be for good reason. It is costing us far more than the potential increase in any good or service.

Growing_Boy · May 13, 2009, 2:32am

[quote]streamline wrote:
It’s a “Catch 22”. If there was a successful stoppage of illegal immigrants. Then there would be a huge out cry as the price of produce goes through the roof. I’m sure there is a solution but this has been going on for so long the corruption must be huge by now. If you want the answer follow the money.[/quote]

DER, just do what we were doing before and have our college students pick lettuce in the summer. In the valley with 120 degrees in the shade.

Varqanir · May 13, 2009, 4:21am

[quote]orion wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
orion wrote:

D-D-R! D-D-R! D-D…

um, sorry–

U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!

Everything depends on which side of the fence they put the mines and barbed wire.

Why?

From which direction you want to cross the border does not matter, you still need to pass both.

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RIght, but If a government’s primary purpose is to keep people out, they put the mines and wire on the outside of the fence. If they want to keep people in, they put it on the inside.

We all know what the DDR border fence looked like. It will be interesting to see which side of this fence ends up with the barbed wire.

PB_Crawl · May 13, 2009, 5:47am

[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
streamline wrote:
It’s a “Catch 22”. If there was a successful stoppage of illegal immigrants. Then there would be a huge out cry as the price of produce goes through the roof. I’m sure there is a solution but this has been going on for so long the corruption must be huge by now. If you want the answer follow the money.

DER, just do what we were doing before and have our college students pick lettuce in the summer. In the valley with 120 degrees in the shade. [/quote]

hah you dont even have to get that extreme.

how about dig some ditches for a plumber as a pre-apprentice
how about set up some dry wall?
dig out pools?

people in my generation think summers are meant for trips to cancun or a tourist in europe. not get any sense of real life or work related experience.

then again when has the united states ever not put use a huge source of foreign cheap labor?

now that illegal labor is breaking into services that have been long dominated by whites, like skilled construction, were hearing a bigger uproar.

my dry wall buddies bitch all the time about losing jobs to outfits that dont hide the fact that they hire illegals, ala underbidding by huge amounts. then again they also like to brag about drinking on the job, leaving a site several hours early and not having any real consequence for it, ripping dumb people off for materials, doing shoddy jobs when the person wouldn’t know any better.

hard to compete against people who do your same job in half the time, a third of the cost, and better quality.

we had a huge bust of contractors working without licenses a few years back. not coincidentally their jobs costs were way lower than the rest.

part of the solution is a real attitude adjustment in the US on the part of workers and companys.

pittbulll · May 13, 2009, 9:16am

[quote]streamline wrote:
It’s a “Catch 22”. If there was a successful stoppage of illegal immigrants. Then there would be a huge out cry as the price of produce goes through the roof. I’m sure there is a solution but this has been going on for so long the corruption must be huge by now. If you want the answer follow the money.[/quote]

They could allow enough in to harvest and ask them to leave when they are done

pittbulll · May 13, 2009, 4:19pm

[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
streamline wrote:
It’s a “Catch 22”. If there was a successful stoppage of illegal immigrants. Then there would be a huge out cry as the price of produce goes through the roof. I’m sure there is a solution but this has been going on for so long the corruption must be huge by now. If you want the answer follow the money.

DER, just do what we were doing before and have our college students pick lettuce in the summer. In the valley with 120 degrees in the shade.

hah you dont even have to get that extreme.

how about dig some ditches for a plumber as a pre-apprentice
how about set up some dry wall?
dig out pools?

people in my generation think summers are meant for trips to cancun or a tourist in europe. not get any sense of real life or work related experience.

then again when has the united states ever not put use a huge source of foreign cheap labor?

now that illegal labor is breaking into services that have been long dominated by whites, like skilled construction, were hearing a bigger uproar.

my dry wall buddies bitch all the time about losing jobs to outfits that dont hide the fact that they hire illegals, ala underbidding by huge amounts. then again they also like to brag about drinking on the job, leaving a site several hours early and not having any real consequence for it, ripping dumb people off for materials, doing shoddy jobs when the person wouldn’t know any better.

hard to compete against people who do your same job in half the time, a third of the cost, and better quality.

we had a huge bust of contractors working without licenses a few years back. not coincidentally their jobs costs were way lower than the rest.

part of the solution is a real attitude adjustment in the US on the part of workers and companys.[/quote]

I personally think the younger generation should be all over this if you expect to have a working American class, they are not just picking produce, they are retailers, construction workers, Business owners, and yes some of these business owners are illegals. One of the biggest assaults I think, on are truck drivers. You have an industry that is critical to Americaâ??s well being. For an American to get into the business of truck driving it can cost you a hundred grand, there are members of our government that want to keep the price of hauling beat down so far that it is near impossible to make a living, what is their answer, to allow Mexican trucks in to further suppress the industry.

PB_Crawl · May 13, 2009, 6:02pm

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
streamline wrote:
It’s a “Catch 22”. If there was a successful stoppage of illegal immigrants. Then there would be a huge out cry as the price of produce goes through the roof. I’m sure there is a solution but this has been going on for so long the corruption must be huge by now. If you want the answer follow the money.