[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]Sifu wrote:
All you democrats have done since the invasion of Iraq is whine about how poor Saddam didn’t deserve to get took out and we didn’t need to go into Iraq. And you throw your whiny bullshit out there as if it’s an undeniable fact, when it isn’t.
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This thread has brought the fanatics out from under their rocks.
We didn’t need to go into Iraq because Iraq was not a threat to the U.S. None, zero. I thought most people figured this out by now.
The Iraq invasion was blatant warmongering. [/quote]
Obviously you have no clue about the history or the behavior of Saddam. We went to war with Saddam in 91 and absolutely humiliated him. Saddam had a well documented history of being vengeful and ruthlessly vindictive. You don’t take on someone like Saddam and leave him alive because there is a very good chance he will try to come back at you.
Saddam killed over a million people. For people to say he was not dangerous or a threat to us after killing that many people is absurd.
What 9/11 showed is that we are in a new era of asymmetrical warfare. It cost Al Qaeda $500,000 to pull off that attack. Saddam had billions of dollars, the resources of a nation behind him and reason to hold a grudge.
How could it have made sense to give some like that the opportunity to hurt us?
Saddam’s reign over the Iraqi people is of no consequence to you or anyone else. You and I have no moral obligation to have him removed. We do have the moral obligation to hold the U.S government accountable when it sends military forces around the world to turn a country inside out, killing people who did absolutely nothing wrong.
This should be apparent to anyone with a conscience. [/quote]
The mass starvation caused by the UN imposed sanctions killed over 500,000 Iraqis. How dare you come on here and speak of conscience while ignoring that.
The year that Saddam burned the Kuwaiti oil fields 50,000 people died during the Sri Lankan monsoon season which was unusually severe that year because all the soot from the burning oil fields went into the upper atmosphere and affected weather patterns over the Indian Ocean. The Sri Lankans did nothing wrong. For us to possess the ability to bring the person responsible for that mass murder to justice and to leave him out there so he could kill more people was immoral.
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Nor do you ever give any reasonable reasons why Saddam or his sons deserved to have the kind of power the Iraqi oil fields provided. These were dangerous people who needed to be removed so the world could move forward.[/quote]
They didn’t deserve the power they had anymore than the common Iraqi deserved to have their homes destroyed by American bombs. [/quote]
So they didn’t deserve to have the power and ability to cause more mass murder but you had no problem with letting them keep it. Despite the fact that it gave them the ability to carry out a vendetta against us any time they felt like it.
The actual proportion of Iraqis who had their home destroyed by bombs was not significant because we used guided munitions. So don’t come on here and try to act like we sent in B52’s and carpet bombed Baghdad from one side to the other because we didn’t.
Wow! You are so clueless that I am going to have to explain this to you, yet you think you are smart enough to question the wisdom of my judgment. Incredible.
Before the gulf war Iraq was producing over 3,000,000 barrels of oil a day. After the war the UN put a limit on how much oil Iraq could export of 1,000,000 barrels a day. So Saddam remaining in power meant that 2,000,000 barrels a day of oil production was taken off of the world oil market. To give some perspective on how much oil that is Saudi Arabia 10,500,000 barrels of oil a day. So the UN sanctions meant the world was deprived of an amount equal to 20 percent of the Saudi oil production at a time when the world wide demand for oil was beginning to skyrocket because of the rapidly growing Chinese and Indian automobile markets.
The whole world relies on oil for fuel. Driving up the cost of fuel by keeping the Iraqi oil production artificially limited was like a tax on every country in the world. For example food production requires fuel to harvest and ship the food. When the price of fuel goes up the price of food goes up. High fuel prices have also made it profitable to divert food into biofuels reducing the amount of available food which in turn increases the price of food. All this is going on during a time of massive population growth causing increased starvation in the third world that is driving people to emigrate to the US and Europe.
The whole world is now able to benefit from getting the Iraqi oil production restored. Also the last comprehensive surveys of the Iraqi oil reserves were done in the 1970’s. Now that Saddam is gone oil companies have been able to go back in using the latest technology which is indicating that Iraq has much greater reserves than previous surveys indicated. It is now believed that Iraq might have just as much oil as Saudi Arabia.