[quote]Chushin wrote:
Frankly, the Muslims have already lost, IMO.
They’ve created enough resentment over this that they’ll be paying for it for a long time. [/quote]
Paying for it? They bombed the fuckin buildings a half mile away. I doubt they care whether someone like you thinks they’re going to “pay for” building a damned mosque.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Moreover, the Constitution is not at issue. The issue is whether a mosque should be built on Ground Zero, not whether it can.[/quote]
See this is really ironic, because most of the arguments you and me have ever had, I’ve been arguing whether something SHOULD be done and you argue that as the law goes, it can, so that doesn’t matter.
Now in this case, just because the muslim magical space god is mildly different than any of the other magical space god, does not mean they don’t have a right to build what they want on the ground of their choosing.
If (and I do say IF) the money provided to build it is on the up and up, they can build what they want. This is, after all, America, and if a Baptist church was going through this shit you all would have mile long hardons about it.[/quote]
Did members of a Baptist Church blow up the Twin Towers? No, no they didn’t, nope, that makes it quite a bit different now doesn’t it?
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Members of a Baptist Church picket military funerals. I realize that’s not quite flying a plane into a building, but there are crazies on both sides of this fence.
In fairness, we’ve been building ‘ground zeros’ near Iraqi mosques since March 2003.
[quote]GCF wrote:
What would be an acceptable distance from GZ for this to built? If 2 blocks is too close what about 3 blocks? 4 blocks? 5 blocks, but only on the far side of the block?[/quote]
Iraq.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]lixy wrote:
The Muslim’s attitude towards this project is appalling and it’s unfortunately doing a marvelous job at fueling the hatred on the other side.
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Fixed that for you, chief.
Or does the “have some cultural sensitivity” line only work when it benefits Muslims?
Explain to me why it HAS be at that site (not one of the alternatives offered)? If these Muslims REALLY want to work to improve relations as they claim, it’s a freak’n no-brainer that respecting the feelings of the American people on this is a GREAT way to show their intent and goodwill.
Frankly, the Muslims have already lost, IMO.
They’ve created enough resentment over this that they’ll be paying for it for a long time. [/quote]
Muslims are not a monolithic group.
This post is dead-on. While they of course have the “right” to build there and few are disputing this, it’s entirely unecessary and wrong under the circumstances. There are many Muslims who think so too and are against the location, saying that it goes against the Koran’s command to, “Be considerate when you debate with the People of the Book” – i.e., Jews and Christians. They have a word for it: “Fitna” which is mischief-making forbidden by the Koran.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Members of a Baptist Church picket military funerals. I realize that’s not quite flying a plane into a building, but there are crazies on both sides of this fence.[/quote]
Sorry I can not let this one go. Mak so you are comparing the less that .01% of Baptists to the more than 30% of Muslims? Think about it a little more. The Southern Baptist Convention does not condone what the Westboro Crazies are doing. Westboro is an independent church, and is not a part of the Southern Baptist Convention. They are Baptists only because they put that name on their building. They are not Baptists.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Members of a Baptist Church picket military funerals. I realize that’s not quite flying a plane into a building, but there are crazies on both sides of this fence.[/quote]
Sorry I can not let this one go. Mak so you are comparing the less that .01% of Baptists to the more than 30% of Muslims? Think about it a little more. The Southern Baptist Convention does not condone what the Westboro Crazies are doing. Westboro is an independent church, and is not a part of the Southern Baptist Convention. They are Baptists only because they put that name on their building. They are not Baptists.[/quote]
In addition to being fringe Baptists, the Westboro Baptits are huge liberals (outside of the gay thing) who gave Al Gore his start.
[quote]biglifter wrote:
I’d like to drop an atlas stone on that fucker.
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This supposed “mosque” is nothing more than the Muslim equivalent of a YMCA. It will be blocks away from “ground zero” next to a bunch of titty-bars in an old Burlington Coat Factory. Sheesh.
Haha. I hope “ground zero” becomes the new Mecca just to piss you morons off.
Get a life, will ya?!
OP, I am not just directing this at you but all of your simple-minded compatriots too.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
In fairness, we’ve been building ‘ground zeros’ near Iraqi mosques since March 2003.[/quote]
this!
Gotta wonder who the real terrorists are.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Moreover, the Constitution is not at issue. The issue is whether a mosque should be built on Ground Zero, not whether it can.[/quote]
See this is really ironic, because most of the arguments you and me have ever had, I’ve been arguing whether something SHOULD be done and you argue that as the law goes, it can, so that doesn’t matter.
Now in this case, just because the muslim magical space god is mildly different than any of the other magical space god, does not mean they don’t have a right to build what they want on the ground of their choosing.
If (and I do say IF) the money provided to build it is on the up and up, they can build what they want. This is, after all, America, and if a Baptist church was going through this shit you all would have mile long hardons about it.[/quote]
Did members of a Baptist Church blow up the Twin Towers? No, no they didn’t, nope, that makes it quite a bit different now doesn’t it?
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Members of a Baptist Church picket military funerals. I realize that’s not quite flying a plane into a building, but there are crazies on both sides of this fence.[/quote]
Never said or implied that there were not crazy people of every shape, size and religion. Keep your comments more specific to what I did say.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]biglifter wrote:
I’d like to drop an atlas stone on that fucker.
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This supposed “mosque” is nothing more than the Muslim equivalent of a YMCA. It will be blocks away from “ground zero” next to a bunch of titty-bars in an old Burlington Coat Factory. Sheesh.
Haha. I hope “ground zero” becomes the new Mecca just to piss you morons off.
Get a life, will ya?!
OP, I am not just directing this at you but all of your simple-minded compatriots too.[/quote]
Well said for someone who did not lose a loved one on 9-11.
Way to show compassion. Nice.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
In fairness, we’ve been building ‘ground zeros’ near Iraqi mosques since March 2003.[/quote]
this!
Gotta wonder who the real terrorists are.[/quote]
Really?
I agree with you most of the time, and you know I’m not fan of the use of force by our government, But if you can’t see the difference, you’re blind.
There is no moral equivalence to this.
Bombing people plotting ways to kill as many of us as possible is NOT the same as flying planes filled with civilians into civilian buildings.
You can disagree with what we do over there, but they are far from the same thing.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
In fairness, we’ve been building ‘ground zeros’ near Iraqi mosques since March 2003.[/quote]
this!
Gotta wonder who the real terrorists are.[/quote]
Really?
I agree with you most of the time, and you know I’m not fan of the use of force by our government, But if you can’t see the difference, you’re blind.
There is no moral equivalence to this.
Bombing people plotting ways to kill as many of us as possible is NOT the same as flying planes filled with civilians into civilian buildings.
You can disagree with what we do over there, but they are far from the same thing.[/quote]
Many, many civilians have been killed over there. This is probably supremely ironic to those Muslims who have lost loved ones (who were civilians) because of the unnecessary Iraq invasion.
It’s pretty equivalent.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
In fairness, we’ve been building ‘ground zeros’ near Iraqi mosques since March 2003.[/quote]
this!
Gotta wonder who the real terrorists are.[/quote]
Really?
I agree with you most of the time, and you know I’m not fan of the use of force by our government, But if you can’t see the difference, you’re blind.
There is no moral equivalence to this.
Bombing people plotting ways to kill as many of us as possible is NOT the same as flying planes filled with civilians into civilian buildings.
You can disagree with what we do over there, but they are far from the same thing.[/quote]
Many, many civilians have been killed over there. This is probably supremely ironic to those Muslims who have lost loved ones (who were civilians) because of the unnecessary Iraq invasion.
It’s pretty equivalent.[/quote]
There is a difference between attempting to minimize civilian casualties and attempting to maximize them. This includes using human shield and kids for suicide bombs.
If the military strength were reversed everyone in the US would be dead.
If people over there stopped trying to kill us and other innocents we’d leave, if we stop, they keep killing us.
There is no equivalency.
This of course misses the brutality of their former dictators regime.
We could always ask a Kuwaiti citizen too.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]biglifter wrote:
I’d like to drop an atlas stone on that fucker.
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This supposed “mosque” is nothing more than the Muslim equivalent of a YMCA. It will be blocks away from “ground zero” next to a bunch of titty-bars in an old Burlington Coat Factory. Sheesh.
Haha. I hope “ground zero” becomes the new Mecca just to piss you morons off.
Get a life, will ya?!
OP, I am not just directing this at you but all of your simple-minded compatriots too.[/quote]
Well said for someone who did not lose a loved one on 9-11.
Way to show compassion. Nice.
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What does a Muslim youth center have to do with 9/11? This is a few blocks away from “ground zero”. Where is the literal line drawn where it is okay for Muslims to be in NY? More than the few blocks they are already requesting? If “ground zero” is some sort of sacred shrine why are titty bars okay and not a youth center?
And also, don’t you think some Muslims also lost loved ones on 9-11? Way to show your compass…er, ummmm…I mean bias!
You religious zealots sure are a wacky bunch of mother-fuckers.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]biglifter wrote:
I’d like to drop an atlas stone on that fucker.
[/quote]
This supposed “mosque” is nothing more than the Muslim equivalent of a YMCA. It will be blocks away from “ground zero” next to a bunch of titty-bars in an old Burlington Coat Factory. Sheesh.
Haha. I hope “ground zero” becomes the new Mecca just to piss you morons off.
Get a life, will ya?!
OP, I am not just directing this at you but all of your simple-minded compatriots too.[/quote]
Well said for someone who did not lose a loved one on 9-11.
Way to show compassion. Nice.
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What does a Muslim youth center have to do with 9/11? This is a few blocks away from “ground zero”. Where is the literal line drawn where it is okay for Muslims to be in NY? More than the few blocks they are already requesting? If “ground zero” is some sort of sacred shrine why are titty bars okay and not a youth center?
And also, don’t you think some Muslims also lost loved ones on 9-11? Way to show your compass…er, ummmm…I mean bias!
You religious zealots sure are a wacky bunch of mother-fuckers.[/quote]
If the backers/funders are the same in both 9-11 and this mosque, they are very related.
However, islam and 9-11 do have a connection.
Remember, they are free to build the thing, just as much as others are free to speak out against it.