Obama, Ayers: Ties Run Deep

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]MidDistanceMac wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Nich wrote:

<<< yes he was a radical yes. >>>

No, he IS a radical to this day and has no regret for his actions other than not being able to do more violence to this country.

Barack Obama’s first day as a politician happened in this man’s house. Obama handled millions of public dollars for him. He served on the boards of the same organizations as Ayers. William Ayers is not a teacher in the way you’re thinking of that word. He is a trainer of activists trafficking in the very same ideology he has always held and if it were Mccain or any other non Democrat the media would be on a frothing foaming mission to destroy him and rightly so.

This guy has a magic bubble surrounding him that inoculates him against criticism for associations that would get other men publicly crucified.

Tribulus, I respect your ability to have a conversation with out getting worked up…

But, Obama saw that the Annenberg project wasn’t producing results for his city. He stopped the program and started a new one, the Wood project. From what I’ve seen of Ayers past he’s far from anyone I personally would want to be associated with, he understands that Obama no longer wants to have anything to do with him. However, recently Ayers hasn’t been the crazy radical who’s ready to start war with the US.

But how is this guilt by association any different from
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/06/fact-check-did-mccain-intervene-on-behalf-of-charles-keating/

which you could say was the first of many to come… (ruined peoples pensions and lives)

And give me a fucking break Trib did it really take us 7 years to fire Millen. FUCK
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I’m not a big football guy, but that is huge news around here.

I have said repeatedly that I am no Mccain supporter, but rather an Obama unsupporter for the sake mostly of the courts. Hell, if it weren’t for that I’d vote for Obama in the hopes that maybe it would cure us of this inexplicable hankering we seem to have for ultra left wing politicians. So even in a worst case scenario with Keating I’d still vote for Mccain considering the alternative.

However Mccain did what many politicians do in working for a less regulated free market without the knowledge that his friend was breaking the law. The CNN article even says itself:

Again even assuming the worst, crooked politicians are a dime a dozen, it’s tragic, but I expect that. Domestic terrorism unrenounced is another story, especially since Obama demonstrates a pattern of very hard left, not even in a mainstream zip code, associations and alliances. From college to ACORN to Wright to Ayers to the DSA to his short but decisive record.

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[quote]Gael wrote:
LOL @ Rainjack bragging about being a badass because he scares schoolboys.[/quote]

I am a bad ass on so many different levels, that to enumerate everyone of them would take way more time to list than I am willing to invest.

Just an FYI, Gael - you might want to turn on your sarcasm detector.

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[quote]Nich wrote:
I will not go rounds with you,reason is you can rip me apart because I admit my written communication skills are very poor,it has nothing to do with lazyness.
it has to do with ignorance,and that is my fault.

I spent more time learning how to turn a wrench and throw a shovel and work for a living rather than learning how to communicate in text.
IME a strong back was alot better than knowing how to say fancy words,but I am trying really hard because as I get older I need to learn how to use my head more as my back starts to let me down.
How you got I was blaming you I have no idea but it is not your fault it is my own.

and you admited that you don’t mess with reading posts from people that dont write them properly,which I dont blame you.

and respect isnt needed for survival. it was just something I pointed out
and it is the hatefullness,bullying,opinonated aspect that I respect about you,your attitude mirrors what I have been around and known and there is nothing wrong with being you but it is your closed mindedness and unyeilding desire to be right no mater what,even if you are toatally wrong that I was talking about that and the childish belittling of people you dont agree with.

kind of just pissed me off that,without trying to understand my post you flipped it to where I was lazy,and at the same time pointed out my ignorance and made me feel like a backwoods,slackjawed moron. which is far from the case and an image I am trying desperatly to change.

Not that I wont use the shift key or put a peoriod to make things eaiser to read.
it is that I really don’t know where to use the shift key and when to add that little dot.

and no I’m not arguing with you or fighting with you
hell I dont dissagree with you on everything,some I dissagree with but alot I agree with you on.

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I have no patience when it comes to people giving excuses for not giving a minimum effort.

There is not a single person on this board who has held shittier jobs than me. And by shitty, I mean heavy labor, long hours, below minimum wage, do whatever you have to do to feed your kids type jobs - and then I would sell my plasma every week.

If I can find the shift key, it ain’t that damn hard to do.

I do appreciate your coming to the point in your life where you understand that hard work is not always the best way to do things. It took me 32 years to figure that one out.

I did notice you making more of an effort after my initial post, so good for you on that.

And I am glad that you don’t agree with me on everything even though I am always right.

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Nich, unless you have some type of mild dyslexia (which a friend of mine does have, though his typing is MUCH worse than yours), you should be able to hit the damn shift key. Periods go at the end of sentences. Capitalize the first letter of a sentence. Please do not claim you don’t know these things.

The occasional error is fine, but I think I’ve basically skipped every post you’ve written. I take one look at it, think either “there’s no way in hell I’m attempting to read that,” or “yeah I’m not listening to a guy who can’t capitalize,” and keep scrolling down. Typing correctly will make people take you more seriously.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
hedo wrote:
Most others understand the difference.

Ha! Not according the bullshit I keep reading from you and other like minded individuals.[/quote]

I think you have the franchise on non sensical bullshit cornered.

Up until yesterday you didn’t seem to know anything about Ayers, but now feel able to pointificate in a post about him. Now you go off on a tangent about symantics. Typical moonbat bullshit.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
hedo wrote:
Most others understand the difference.

Ha! Not according the bullshit I keep reading from you and other like minded individuals.

I think you have the franchise on non sensical bullshit cornered.

Up until yesterday you didn’t seem to know anything about Ayers, but now feel able to pointificate in a post about him. Now you go off on a tangent about symantics. Typical moonbat bullshit.[/quote]

Dude - Lifty is THE expert on being an expert over night.

Remember when he was a communist? He was an expert on how the government should run everything.

Then, as if over night, he became the ultimate anarchist. He was an expert on how society should have no governance at all.

Then he changed again. He became an economic expert. He even started making up his own definitions to words. He was such an expert that even the meanings to words he needed were wrong, so he changed them.

It is nothing for him to become an expert on Ayers in mere minutes. And the truth means nothing to him - only that he is right.

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RJ, you are a douchebag of the highest order.

  1. I invite you to find any post where I said I admitted to being a communist. I was trying to understand it on a fundamental level. You put people down who change their mind and are capable of learning. You are a cretin whose words mean nothing.

  2. You claim no one on this board has had a shittier job than you…boo fucking hoo you simple minded victim. You haven’t even served in the military and you claim you have had shittier jobs than those that have? Do you want sympathy because daddy made you shovel shit and then beat you when you spilled his beer?

Give me a break you toolbag.

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Can we get back to the most important issue, regarding the job opening that AMERICA needs to voice their opinions on…

The Detroit Lions General Manager.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
RJ, you are a douchebag of the highest order.[/quote]

There is already a thread on this. Feel free to contribute.

I never said you admitted you were a communist. Walk like a duck quack like a duck.

Trying to understand and waxing expert are two separate things. You are constantly the former. You are an expert on everything you have never done.

I put down people who are idiots. You are an idiot.

Coming from an idiot who has a habit of inventing definitions, that is down right funny.

I served in the military. Peace time military service is a cakewalk. I mentioned my job history only to those who bring theirs up first. Why do you mistake that for wanting sympathy? Unlike you, I have achieved much, much more in my life than most people could ever hope to. Are you bitter about that? Jealous, perhaps? Whatever the reason, my unbelievable success is irrelevant when we are talking about you and your “expertise” of life.

Both my parents were raised by abusive alcoholic fathers - they both vowed never to drink. But of what relevance is my parents in this?

Now which is it? Am I a douchebag, or a toolbag? Much like your wandering philosphical journies, make up your fucking mind.

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More on the deeds of this scumbag “Ayers”

‘Bill Ayers forced me to have sex’ with roommate’

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77407

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Look, I have a number of things to say about this.

  1. Christopher Hitchen’s was once a member of the English Socialist Workers Party, a Trotskyist organization. He is a big pal of Paul Wolfowitz and other Neocons. Should we consider Wolfowitz a Trotskyist?

How about another Right-wing public intellectual, David Horowitz. He was a left-wing radical in his youth. Should we consider politicians who had dealings with him, Reagan for one, to be considered suspect?

  1. Bill Ayers belonged to the Weather Underground in his youth. Although he still considers himself on the Left, he has renounced his former violence.

People with very different viewpoints can agree on some specific, individual goals. If you go to an anti-war meeting, you will often see old ladies from the Society of Friends (Quakers), Libertarians, and an Anarchist or two, and many other types of people. That doesn’t make the Quakers anarchists, it doesn’t make the Libertarians Quakers. They all just have a momentary common interest.

Think about the Civil Rights marches in the 60s… you could find a White Liberal from the North, a Black Baptist and, perhaps, Clint Eastwood at that march. Eastwood might momentarily find himself in agreement with a White Liberal who, in another context, would be diametrically opposed to Eastwood on the issue of gun rights.

Same goes for community organizations directed towards achieving some benefit for the community…you will find all types.

Now Ayers might have done some stupid stuff in his youth, you might not agree with what he says/thinks now, but he is peacefully trying to direct his energies nowadays. So what if Obama knew him. Does that make Obama a terrorist? Does it even mean that he agrees for the most part with Ayers’ present positions? What does it mean?

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
hedo wrote:
Yes a real stand up guy if you support terrorism.

Why the use of the word terrorism? This is a nonsense word that is just used to incite emotive responses from gullible people.

Violence is a crime. Calling it something else does not change its essence.

The ironic thing is that you have a picture of a weapon that is in fact very terrifying to most people. If warmongering isn’t terrorism then nothing is.[/quote]

Are you just stupid, or a fucking idiot or both? The group he was with bombed the Pentagon, the Capitol, and a judge’s home. This is terrorism. As of last year he was still unrepentant.

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Guilt by association? Hannity is antisemetic

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
The group he was with bombed the Pentagon, the Capitol, and a judge’s home. This is terrorism. As of last year he was still unrepentant.

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So?! What does it have to do with this election?

And even still, why aren’t all muggers, rapists, and cold-blooded killers called terrorists? Terrorism is just a word that simple minded people use because their emotions are more prominent than their intellect. You think it means something more than it does because you’re not intelligent enough to see there is no clear distinction between terrorism and crime. And even worse you are a pawn to be manipulated.

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[quote]entheogens wrote:
Look, I have a number of things to say about this.

  1. Christopher Hitchen’s was once a member of the English Socialist Workers Party, a Trotskyist organization. He is a big pal of Paul Wolfowitz and other Neocons. Should we consider Wolfowitz a Trotskyist?

How about another Right-wing public intellectual, David Horowitz. He was a left-wing radical in his youth. Should we consider politicians who had dealings with him, Reagan for one, to be considered suspect?

  1. Bill Ayers belonged to the Weather Underground in his youth. Although he still considers himself on the Left, he has renounced his former violence.

People with very different viewpoints can agree on some specific, individual goals. If you go to an anti-war meeting, you will often see old ladies from the Society of Friends (Quakers), Libertarians, and an Anarchist or two, and many other types of people. That doesn’t make the Quakers anarchists, it doesn’t make the Libertarians Quakers. They all just have a momentary common interest.

Think about the Civil Rights marches in the 60s… you could find a White Liberal from the North, a Black Baptist and, perhaps, Clint Eastwood at that march. Eastwood might momentarily find himself in agreement with a White Liberal who, in another context, would be diametrically opposed to Eastwood on the issue of gun rights.

Same goes for community organizations directed towards achieving some benefit for the community…you will find all types.

Now Ayers might have done some stupid stuff in his youth, you might not agree with what he says/thinks now, but he is peacefully trying to direct his energies nowadays. So what if Obama knew him. Does that make Obama a terrorist? Does it even mean that he agrees for the most part with Ayers’ present positions? What does it mean?

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You mean to tell me people can associate with a group and not agree 100% with that group? Are you trying to assert that people are individuals first?

That’s a radical notion.

Next you are going to tell us that there are “pro-life” liberals.

;>

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
tom63 wrote:
The group he was with bombed the Pentagon, the Capitol, and a judge’s home. This is terrorism. As of last year he was still unrepentant.

So?! What does it have to do with this election?

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BO’s judgement about who he aligns himself with has nothing to do this election?

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[quote]entheogens wrote:
Look, I have a number of things to say about this.

  1. Christopher Hitchen’s was once a member of the English Socialist Workers Party, a Trotskyist organization. He is a big pal of Paul Wolfowitz and other Neocons. Should we consider Wolfowitz a Trotskyist?

How about another Right-wing public intellectual, David Horowitz. He was a left-wing radical in his youth. Should we consider politicians who had dealings with him, Reagan for one, to be considered suspect?

  1. Bill Ayers belonged to the Weather Underground in his youth. Although he still considers himself on the Left, he has renounced his former violence.

People with very different viewpoints can agree on some specific, individual goals. If you go to an anti-war meeting, you will often see old ladies from the Society of Friends (Quakers), Libertarians, and an Anarchist or two, and many other types of people. That doesn’t make the Quakers anarchists, it doesn’t make the Libertarians Quakers. They all just have a momentary common interest.

Think about the Civil Rights marches in the 60s… you could find a White Liberal from the North, a Black Baptist and, perhaps, Clint Eastwood at that march. Eastwood might momentarily find himself in agreement with a White Liberal who, in another context, would be diametrically opposed to Eastwood on the issue of gun rights.

Same goes for community organizations directed towards achieving some benefit for the community…you will find all types.

Now Ayers might have done some stupid stuff in his youth, you might not agree with what he says/thinks now, but he is peacefully trying to direct his energies nowadays. So what if Obama knew him. Does that make Obama a terrorist? Does it even mean that he agrees for the most part with Ayers’ present positions? What does it mean?

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This entire post depends upon the idea that Obama just “knew” Ayers. If that’s all it was, you’re right. But that’s not all it was, and you know it. Also, it was just a few years ago that Ayers was celebrating and bragging about his bombings.

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[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
entheogens wrote:
Look, I have a number of things to say about this.

  1. Christopher Hitchen’s was once a member of the English Socialist Workers Party, a Trotskyist organization. He is a big pal of Paul Wolfowitz and other Neocons. Should we consider Wolfowitz a Trotskyist?

How about another Right-wing public intellectual, David Horowitz. He was a left-wing radical in his youth. Should we consider politicians who had dealings with him, Reagan for one, to be considered suspect?

  1. Bill Ayers belonged to the Weather Underground in his youth. Although he still considers himself on the Left, he has renounced his former violence.

People with very different viewpoints can agree on some specific, individual goals. If you go to an anti-war meeting, you will often see old ladies from the Society of Friends (Quakers), Libertarians, and an Anarchist or two, and many other types of people.

That doesn’t make the Quakers anarchists, it doesn’t make the Libertarians Quakers. They all just have a momentary common interest.

Think about the Civil Rights marches in the 60s… you could find a White Liberal from the North, a Black Baptist and, perhaps, Clint Eastwood at that march. Eastwood might momentarily find himself in agreement with a White Liberal who, in another context, would be diametrically opposed to Eastwood on the issue of gun rights.

Same goes for community organizations directed towards achieving some benefit for the community…you will find all types.

Now Ayers might have done some stupid stuff in his youth, you might not agree with what he says/thinks now, but he is peacefully trying to direct his energies nowadays. So what if Obama knew him. Does that make Obama a terrorist? Does it even mean that he agrees for the most part with Ayers’ present positions? What does it mean?

This entire post depends upon the idea that Obama just “knew” Ayers. If that’s all it was, you’re right. But that’s not all it was, and you know it. Also, it was just a few years ago that Ayers was celebrating and bragging about his bombings.

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No it isn’t. They worked on education and community organization projects together. This is their “common interest”. Lets put this in a republican term so you can understand–“collition of the willing”.

You take you allies where you can find them. When I am looking to invade Iraq–I am not going to turn down Italy or Spain’s help because they where once sympathetic to Nazi Germany. Fucking situations change…

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Obama is now a nation?

Shit.

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[quote]Gael wrote:
pat wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Why is Ayers a bad person?

Oh I don’t know, does being a cold blooded murderer make one bad? Because he is one.

Who did he murder?[/quote]