NYT and Israel

[quote]lixy wrote:
)bla bla) You can’t go around this. [/quote]

Yes, there are no ways around your lies. Irrationally held truths may be more harmful than reasoned errors.

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I know many Jews who are firmly opposed to the existence of the Zionist state. Name one Arab who opposes the creation of a Palestinian state.[/quote]

I know many Arab’s who oppose Palestine, and you claim to know many jews. Let’s start NAMING NAMES so we can get to the bottom of the Isr - Pal conflict once and for all. (sarcasm)

[quote]archiewhittaker wrote:
Yes, there are no ways around your lies. Irrationally held truths may be more harmful may than reasoned errors. [/quote]

That’s some argument alright. I’m stunned!

Name one mass relocation into inhabitated lands that didn’t end up in massacres.

Do share.

www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

www.jewsnotzionists.org/
http://www.jatonyc.org/

I’ll skip citing the most famous ones as I’m sure you know them by heart.

Among a dozen millions of Jews, you have a significant portion denouncing the horrors of the Israeli machine. In the billion and a half Muslim, you wouldn’t find a handful saying the Palestinians have no right to their land.

[quote]lixy wrote:
archiewhittaker wrote:
Yes, there are no ways around your lies. Irrationally held truths may be more harmful may than reasoned errors.

That’s some argument alright. I’m stunned!

Name one mass relocation into inhabitated lands that didn’t end up in massacres.

I know many Arab’s who oppose Palestine,

Do share.

and you claim to know many jews. Let’s start NAMING NAMES so we can get to the bottom of the Isr - Pal conflict once and for all. (sarcasm)

www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

www.jewsnotzionists.org/
http://www.jatonyc.org/

I’ll skip citing the most famous ones as I’m sure you know them by heart.
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I don’t know them by heart, but don’t feel that you have to post them, I’ll be fine.
You’re an amazing scholar. I’m guessing either Uppsala, Lulea or Lund, cause it sure as hell wasn’t malmo hogskola. You’re very nifty at finding stuff on the Internet. I found something for you, Redirect support

about successful mass translocation of commensal rhesus monkeys (Macaca mulatta) in Vrindaban, India. Also, consider the Swedish mass-emigration to Minnesota. I don’t feel like searching for material, I’m hungover.
You convinced me, Israel - Bad!

[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:

“The Jews, I find, are very, very selfish.” [/quote]
Truman Quote - One man’s opinion, he was ignorant.

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Henry Ford, 1921[/quote]

Ford blamed the jews for everything, bootlegged liquor, cheap movies and the Bolshevik Revolution. Talk about misplaced anger.

Let me end with a quote. “A great country worthy of the name does not have any friends” C. de Gaulle

[quote]archiewhittaker wrote:
lixy wrote:

The creation of Israel was also preluded by terrorist activities and documented land expropriation. You can’t go around this.

Yes, there are no ways around your lies. Irrationally held truths may be more harmful than reasoned errors.

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Hey Archie Bunker, you should read up on your historical facts first, before making wild accusations on the internet.

Wikipedia is always a good place to start.

[quote]Wreckless wrote:

Hey Archie Bunker, you should read up on your historical facts first, before making wild accusations on the internet.

Wikipedia is always a good place to start.[/quote]

I did. If a little knowledge is dangerous, you and lixy must be the ones that have so much as to be out of danger.

Wiki is not at all a good place to start.

Why do you call me Bunker?

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Hey Archie Bunker, you should read up on your historical facts first, before making wild accusations on the internet.

Wikipedia is always a good place to start.[/quote]

Nevermind, I got this from WIKIPEDIA (let’s hope it’s correct): “Archibald “Archie” Bunker was a fictional character in the long-running and top-rated American television sitcom All in the Family and its spin-off Archie Bunker’s Place. He was a reactionary, bigoted, blue-collar worker and family man, played to acclaim by Carroll O’Connor. Bunker lived in the borough of Queens in New York City. TV Guide once named Archie the greatest television character of all time.”

I’m too young, have never seen it.

[quote]lixy wrote:

Among a dozen millions of Jews, you have a significant portion denouncing the horrors of the Israeli machine. In the billion and a half Muslim, you wouldn’t find a handful saying the Palestinians have no right to their land.[/quote]

Does a significant portion denounce the horrors of the Palestinian machine?

[quote]lixy wrote:
The creation of Israel was also preluded by terrorist activities and documented land expropriation. You can’t go around this.
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By both sides, Lixy. By both sides.

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I know many Jews who are firmly opposed to the existence of the Zionist state. Name one Arab who opposes the creation of a Palestinian state.[/quote]

What does this matter? Are we back to crying over the existence of Israel? And, aren’t you loading the question? Shouldn’t it be something more along the lines of “name one Arab/muslim who supports Israel’s position in the conflict?”

[quote]lixy wrote:

What did you do about the Kurds when Saddam was slaughtering them? Why did your weapons exports to Turkey rise in perfect correlation with the escalation of violence the Turkish government directed against the Kurds?
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this was hacked to death on another thread.

As far as Aparthied goes, and Marcos, what do you really know about what the US did and didn’t do?

http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1985/90985b.htm

“In 1988 Marcos was indicted by a U.S. grand jury in New York on federal racketeering charges relating to his years in office. Before he could stand trial, however, Marcos died in Honolulu in 1989.”

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761557463_2/Ferdinand_Marcos.html

As far as Darfur goes, I really hear a lot of Muslims standing up against the genocide there. Where is their out cry? Why didn’t the other Muslim countries of the world stand up for the Kurds and demand Saddam and Turkey stop killing them, like they do for the Palestinians? Maybe because the Palestinians are Arabs and the Kurds and African victims of genocide are not?

If you want to reply, feel free. I am getting bored constantly re-hashing this stuff.

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
archiewhittaker wrote:
lixy wrote:

The creation of Israel was also preluded by terrorist activities and documented land expropriation. You can’t go around this.

Yes, there are no ways around your lies. Irrationally held truths may be more harmful than reasoned errors.

Hey Archie Bunker, you should read up on your historical facts first, before making wild accusations on the internet.

Wikipedia is always a good place to start.[/quote]

How does a Belgian know about Archie Bunker? I suppose Europeans (outside of Britain) know that they could never produce quality shows like ‘All IN THE FAMILY’ so they have to show old reruns of an American show from 30 years ago like that.

How pathetic…

Norman Finkelstein & Wolf Blitzer debate Israeli/Palestinian conflict in 1989

Outside of perhaps C-SPAN, this kind of two-sided open debate on this particular issue will never see the light of day in mainstream US media – too bad.

SHHHHH…
Iraq Study Group: Israel-Palestinian Issue Key to Iraq Peace
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,234918,00.html

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
kroby wrote:
It downplays the Muslim majority led in Khartoum, funding the Janjaweed to rape, burn and ouster hundreds of thousands of non muslim indigents in Sudan. lixy, on a pure per capita basis, this situation far outweighs the palestinian problem.

I like the idea of counting who killed how many of whom.

Perhaps, just to make things more interesting, we should balance the equation and throw in a couple of thousand Christians.

After all, doesn’t the bible say “an eye for an eye”?
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The OP stated how the NYT downplays Israeli atrocities. I stated that they also downplay muslim atrocities. How does this have anything to do with christians and the bible? The NYT is trash.